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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle so they don't have be part of it]], the party call him out on doing so, and he ends up having to admit he was wrong for doing so. In trying to do so, Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to Brave Vesperia; taking the "law" of the guild into his own hands and going outside the system to do what is "right". However, by doing so Yuri betrayed the values of what Brave Vesperia stood for, as Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other. Going alone, Yuri was intending to MercyKill Estelle, but with Brave Vesperia's help, he manages to save her from Alexei, and together they find a way to protect her from further manipulations. This serves to show how Yuri's ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset ''isn't'' always the right choice, as by working in the "rules" of Brave Vesperia, he saves Estelle.

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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle so they don't have be part of it]], the party call him out on doing so, and he ends up having to admit he was wrong for doing so. In trying to do so, Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to Brave Vesperia; taking the "law" of the guild into his own hands and going outside the system to do what is "right". However, by doing so This essentially was Yuri betrayed betraying the values rules of what Brave Vesperia stood for, Vesperia, as Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other. Going alone, Yuri was intending to MercyKill Estelle, but with Brave Vesperia's help, he manages to save her from Alexei, and together they find a way to protect her from further manipulations. This serves to show how Yuri's ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset ''isn't'' always the right choice, as by working in the "rules" of Brave Vesperia, he saves Estelle.
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* The themes of justice largely fade into the background during the final act and the story becomes focused on stopping the Adaphagos. However, the themes of justice don't actually go away, they instead get incorporated into the reason for the final boss. The final boss, Duke, decides to judge humanity as no longer being allowed to live and is going to sacrifice them to save the world. He's forcing his ideas of justice onto people, the vary themes of the story that Yuri and Flynn debate and struggle with the entire game, except now its applied to ''all'' of humanity and not just select individuals. In the rereleases of the game, Flynn outright calls Duke the world's "judge, jury, and executioner."

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* The themes of justice largely fade into the background during the final act and the story becomes focused on stopping the Adaphagos. However, Adaphagos, but the themes of justice don't actually go away, they instead get incorporated into the reason for are still represented through the final boss. The final boss, Duke, decides to judge humanity as no longer being allowed to live and is going to sacrifice them to save the world. He's forcing his ideas view of justice onto people, the vary themes of the story that Yuri and Flynn debate and struggle with the entire game, except now its applied to ''all'' of humanity and not just select individuals. In the rereleases of the game, Flynn outright calls Duke the world's "judge, jury, and executioner."
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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle without telling them]] so they don't have be part of it, the party call him out on doing so and he apologizes for doing so. Though they give good reasons for it, another, less stated reason, is because Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to the guild, but in this case it was wrong. Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other, so Yuri trying to MercyKill Estelle without their input breaks what is basically the reason the guild was formed. When Yuri does work with the others to save Estelle, he succeeds in doing so, and the party successfully find a way to protect her, showing how breaking the law/rules to do what is "right" is not always what is the best way to handle a situation.

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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle without telling them]] so they don't have be part of it, it]], the party call him out on doing so so, and he apologizes ends up having to admit he was wrong for doing so. Though they give good reasons for it, another, less stated reason, is because In trying to do so, Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to Brave Vesperia; taking the guild, but in this case it was wrong. "law" of the guild into his own hands and going outside the system to do what is "right". However, by doing so Yuri betrayed the values of what Brave Vesperia stood for, as Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other, so other. Going alone, Yuri trying was intending to MercyKill Estelle without their input breaks what is basically the reason the guild was formed. When Yuri does work with the others to save Estelle, but with Brave Vesperia's help, he succeeds in doing so, manages to save her from Alexei, and the party successfully together they find a way to protect her, showing her from further manipulations. This serves to show how breaking the law/rules to do what is "right" is not Yuri's ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset ''isn't'' always what is the best way to handle a situation.
right choice, as by working in the "rules" of Brave Vesperia, he saves Estelle.
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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle without telling them]] so they don't have be part of it, the party call him out on doing so and he apologizes for doing so. Though they give good reasons for it, another, less stated reason, is because Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to the guild, but in this case it was wrong. Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other, so Yuri trying to MercyKill Estelle without their input breaks what is basically the reason the guild was formed. When Yuri does work with the others to save Estelle, he succeeds in doing so, and the party successfully find a way to protect her, showing how breaking the law/rules to do what is "right" is not always what what is the best way to handle a situation.

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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle without telling them]] so they don't have be part of it, the party call him out on doing so and he apologizes for doing so. Though they give good reasons for it, another, less stated reason, is because Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to the guild, but in this case it was wrong. Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other, so Yuri trying to MercyKill Estelle without their input breaks what is basically the reason the guild was formed. When Yuri does work with the others to save Estelle, he succeeds in doing so, and the party successfully find a way to protect her, showing how breaking the law/rules to do what is "right" is not always what what is the best way to handle a situation.
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* When Yuri tries to [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself go ahead of the group to kill Estelle without telling them]] so they don't have be part of it, the party call him out on doing so and he apologizes for doing so. Though they give good reasons for it, another, less stated reason, is because Yuri basically applied his ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight mindset to the guild, but in this case it was wrong. Karol makes it clear a big part of Brave Vesperia is friendship and helping each other, so Yuri trying to MercyKill Estelle without their input breaks what is basically the reason the guild was formed. When Yuri does work with the others to save Estelle, he succeeds in doing so, and the party successfully find a way to protect her, showing how breaking the law/rules to do what is "right" is not always what what is the best way to handle a situation.
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* It seems redundant that Alexei would use Yeager's loved ones against him when the latter has a Blastia Heart, but it makes sense when considering the revelations in ''The Empty Mask''. Alexei accidentally built Raven's Blastia Heart to never be switched off, and if Yeager received his heart at around the same time, his heart probably also can't be switched off.
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Up To Eleven is being dewicked.


* Fridge brilliance playing tennis with UpToEleven, but the ridiculously conspicuous looking Wonder Chef manages, somehow, to be ''even more'' conspicuous when standing around as himself on the docks in Nordopolica than in his already obvious disguises. It makes sense, since the rubber duck running in circles, the daikon radish, and the pinwheel were all "disguises, so of course he'd be less conspicuous. The UpToEleven comes in at the fact that you really wouldn't expect him to manage to look more conspicuous than his "disguises", but he ''can''. It just doesn't seem to make sense until you realise the other things were disguises.

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* Fridge brilliance playing tennis with UpToEleven, up to eleven, but the ridiculously conspicuous looking Wonder Chef manages, somehow, to be ''even more'' conspicuous when standing around as himself on the docks in Nordopolica than in his already obvious disguises. It makes sense, since the rubber duck running in circles, the daikon radish, and the pinwheel were all "disguises, so of course he'd be less conspicuous. The UpToEleven up to eleven comes in at the fact that you really wouldn't expect him to manage to look more conspicuous than his "disguises", but he ''can''. It just doesn't seem to make sense until you realise the other things were disguises.
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* The themes of justice largely fade into the background during the final act and the story becomes focused on stopping the Adaphagos. However, the themes of justice don't actually go away, they instead get incorporated into the reason for the final boss. The final boss, Duke, decides to judge humanity as no longer being allowed to live and is going to sacrifice them to save the world. He's forcing his ideas of justice onto people, the vary themes of the story that Yuri and Flynn debate and struggle with the entire game, except now its applied to ''all'' of humanity and not just select individuals.

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* The themes of justice largely fade into the background during the final act and the story becomes focused on stopping the Adaphagos. However, the themes of justice don't actually go away, they instead get incorporated into the reason for the final boss. The final boss, Duke, decides to judge humanity as no longer being allowed to live and is going to sacrifice them to save the world. He's forcing his ideas of justice onto people, the vary themes of the story that Yuri and Flynn debate and struggle with the entire game, except now its applied to ''all'' of humanity and not just select individuals. In the rereleases of the game, Flynn outright calls Duke the world's "judge, jury, and executioner."
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* Repede being wary around Estelle makes sense when you think about how in real life, animals have a tendency to sense things that humans can't and react to it accordingly. Considering how Estelle requires greater aer consumption to use her powers and how too much aer is dangerous for everybody, Repede's natural instinct would be to avoid her like the plague.

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* Repede being wary around Estelle makes sense when you think about how in real life, animals have a tendency to sense things that humans can't and react to it accordingly. Considering how Estelle requires greater aer consumption to use her powers and how too much aer is dangerous for everybody, Repede's natural instinct would be to avoid her like stay away from her. But because of his loyalty to Yuri, the plague.
most he can do is just be aloof to her.
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* Repede being wary around Estelle makes sense when you think about how in real life, animals have a tendency to sense things that humans can't and react to it accordingly. Considering how Estelle requires greater aer consumption to use her powers and how too much aer is dangerous for everybody, Repede's natural instinct would be to avoid her like the plague.

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Removed a chunk that was arguing against itself and didn't seem like an example after other evidence was presented. Moved some fridge brilliance entries from the main Tales fridge page to here



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* It's genius how Estelle keeps nagging the party around to do her bidding because it deconstructs the idea of a nice, innocent princess entirely. Estelle might look like a cute little princess, but actually her desire to see the outside world and do... pretty much everything she ever does... is all born out of a selfish intent. So she's a RebelliousPrincess without ever invoking the stereotype associated with it. Brilliant!
* Yuri's subplot about whether [[spoiler:killing people who are above the law, clearly deserve it, and need to die for the sake of others]] was "justice" seems to drop about two thirds of the way through the game and never really get picked up again. However, it wasn't dropped -- it was ''resolved.'' Specifically, it's resolved when Yuri, knowing his hands have been dirtied and no one else will have the guts to do what has to be done, [[spoiler:strikes out on his own to aer-filled Zaphias in order to kill Estelle, to prevent Alexei from torturing her and abusing her power to harm others]]. It's ''not'' justice, and the player knows it, and Yuri knows it, but [[IDidWhatIHadToDo it's something that has to be done,]] [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself and he's the only one who can.]] Of course, this is a ''[[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism Tales]]'' game, and [[spoiler:Estelle's your [[WhiteMage primary healer]]]], so it's a [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt given]] that [[spoiler:he won't ''actually'' kill her]] - but setting it up to make it look as though he would makes the end result of this subplot [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments that much more heartwarming]].
** To support this, look at the conversation Yuri has with Estelle about halfway through the game, after [[spoiler:he and Flynn argue about Yuri's murders.]] Estelle says, in a bit of ''extremely'' blatant {{foreshadowing}}, [[spoiler:"If you ever end up pointing your sword at me, I'm sure you'd have a very good reason."]] The ''[[VideoGame/TalesSeries Tales]]'' games in particular do tend to keep their PlotThreads strung together by ArcWords and ideas and such, so doesn't it make sense that [[spoiler:having Estelle say that, during the subplot about Yuri's murders, leads up to the IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight against her]]?
** Additionally impressive when you realize that when Yuri talks to Phaeroh over his rationale [[spoiler: for trying to kill Estelle]] he is essentially talking about himself and his subplot.



* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'', at one point Yuri and company are arrested by a [[GoldfishPoopGang group of the Royal Knights]], and they read him his rap sheet. We only see one bit of it, a throw-away line about how Yuri once [[ChaoticGood threw one of the knights into the river when he came to collect taxes]]. These knights wear heavy plate armor. [[MoralDissonance Yuri tried to kill someone]] [[WhatTheHellHero for doing his job]]. And that was only the eighteenth charge on the list.
** YMMV on that one. Their armor is outright stated at the beginning of the game to be [[LampshadeHanging very very thin]]. If a palm-sized rock is enough to knock a guy out (despite his helmet) the armor couldn't be very heavy. Its possible that he still could have drowned with the accumulated weight, but not likely.
*** Still an awful dick move on them, though, especially when used as humor.
*** Compared to [[TarAndFeathers historical]] protests against tax collectors, this Troper viewed it as light.
*** It's doubtful Yuri would've just left him there. He either fished the guy out himself or made sure his buddies were able to do it. Assuming of course the armor was indeed too heavy.
*** This is all assuming the river is even ''deep''. It's stated Adecor only got a cold from it, not that he nearly drowned, and that's by Adecor himself- you'd think he'd mention he nearly drowned if he had, considering how much he and Boccos don't like Yuri. The river might be a shallow one, especially to someone as tall as Adecor, who is taller than the six foot Yuri.
*** There's also the fact that Flynn is said to have done this, too, so Yuri does this often enough that he can do it without actually hurting anyone. Yuri isn't so much malicious towards the knights as he is antagonistic. He wouldn't hurt, let alone kill, anyone for just collecting taxes, but just remove them from the situation in the most literal way- physically picking them up and removing them. Keep in mind, too, that Yuri did not kill Ragou until AFTER he'd ducked punishment ''twice'' and it became clear he was never going to be punished, and Cumore likewise was given two chances (once at Heliord, again at Mantaic) before he was killed. Yuri would never kill anyone just for collecting taxes- Cumore and Ragou had killed quite a lot of people, but tax collectors, especially ones like Adecor and Boccos (who do care about the people), are not known for killing people. Yuri never had murderous intentions for the tax collectors.

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