History Fridge / StarTrek2009

* Multiple alien-looking crewmen speak with a voice that sounds like a computer, all echo-y and metallic. This could be a different way of representing the universal translator at work and averting AliensSpeakingEnglish.

* This is a bit of fridge logic from the end of the movie, Pike promoted Kirk to 2nd officer randomly which immediately brings Kirk up to 1st officer. The fact it was because of him that the Enterprise wasn’t caught by the Narada with her (metaphorical) pants down when she dropped out of warp like the rest of the fleet probably had something to do with it.

* This is a bit of fridge logic from the end of the movie, Pike promoted Kirk to 2nd officer randomly which immediately brings Kirk up to 1st officer.

** Admiral Vance in the 32nd century mentions that when the Temporal War ended everything time-related destroyed. So with the war over and all time tech destroyed, and the Guardian of Forever in hiding the Time agency was most likely dissolved and thus couldn’t do anything to stop Nero or Spock from creating a new Timeline.

** A simpler explanation: The destruction of the ''Kelvin'', if it is such a concept craft, must have made Starfleet crap its pants especially as this was a Romulan ship, the fear that this was a brand new Romulan star ship and the fact that it’s fallen into Klingon hands (and its well known that both parties would like nothing more to destroy and conquer the UFP) leading to Starfleet investing much more into hardening their ships for combat than exploration. It's not the first time we've seen such destruction leading to beefier ships: Wolf-359 led to the much more powerful ships you see in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]'', [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine [=DS9=]]], and so on.

** A simpler explanation: The destruction of the ''Kelvin'', if it is such a concept craft, must have made Starfleet crap its pants about what could wield such power, leading to Starfleet investing much more into hardening their ships for combat than exploration. It's not the first time we've seen such destruction leading to beefier ships: Wolf-359 led to the much more powerful ships you see in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]'', [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine [=DS9=]]], and so on.

* Many people have commented on the fact that in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', we saw Agent Daniels and his Time Agency watching for changes in the timeline, and logically, should have immediately prevented Nero from killing Kirk's father. However, Archer not only ended the Temporal Cold War back in 1944, but effectively wiped its effects from history. Depending on how much you believe in the TimeyWimeyBall effect, this quite possibly wiped the Time Agency and its constant monitoring of history and instead left in its place a very small department that consists of things like the USS ''Relativity'' and that small time pod from TNG. Why? Something that always happens during peace time; the Federation got lazy and comfortable. The budget for chrono-monitoring was lowered, and as a result, the Federation became less "[[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]]" and more "[[Franchise/BackToTheFuture Doc Brown's [=DeLorean=]]]" (in fact, considering we never see Daniels again after this point, that's pretty good evidence that he ''was'' wiped from history). In short, Daniels and crew either weren't paying attention or simply didn't have the technology to track and defeat Nero... if this happened during the Temporal Cold War, we probably would have had an epic meeting between Kirk and Archer instead of Kirk and Old Spock...

* It has confused many as to why the USS ''Kelvin'' looked so different to anything else in the Prime Timeline, but then I realized the obvious fact; the Kelvin was a concept craft. In the original universe the altered uniforms, the window on the bridge, the shuttlecraft that looked far more advanced than the ''Galileo''-class from the prime 1701 ''Enterprise'' - all of which were either dead ends or deemed impractical or expensive for the Prime Universe. This happens in real life with sports cars; many manufacturers release one of a kind cars that showcase exactly what they can do if money and resources were no object. So what changed? Economics. If you compare the Prime and Alternate Federation, it's clear the Prime Universe has far less money/resources than the alternate universe. Maybe one of the survivors of the ''Kelvin'' would leave Starfleet and go on to become a great businessman, maybe it was the cold war with the Klingons... regardless, in the new timeline, the Kelvin was considered the birth of a new, more advanced breed of starship. Alternatively, the Federation changed the uniforms and viewscreen to the Kelvin concept variant as a mark of respect for the fallen.

* Multiple alien-looking crewmen speak with a voice that sounds like a computer, all echo-y and metallic. This could be a different way of representing the universal translator at work and averting AliensSpeakingEnglish

** Watching the film just recently it occurred to me. Nero came from the future, well after the events of Star Trek Nemesis when the Romulan Empire had been crippled by the Remans. Nero came from a Unified Romulus, which would be nothing like the Romulan Empire we had seen before. It's as much of a wasted opportunity to see how their culture had adapted before its destruction.

** According to VideoGame/StarTrekOnline and the movie's tie-in comics, it travelled by subspace, so effectively at warp speed. The Romulans thought they had months/years before it reached them. They only had hours/days.

* It's a frequent comment as to why the Narada carried such heavy ordnance, but if whichever minerals the Narada had been built to mine were rare enough to be worth retrieving en masse from distant planets, rather than scooping them up in any old asteroid field, then presumably they're ''also'' valuable enough to be worth stealing. Considering the paranoid nature of Romulans, they would plausibly carry some armaments. These could be something that the Enterprise-E of their own time would laugh off, sure, but in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', Mirror Universe Archer gains access to a 23rd century Constitution-class starship and absolutely wipes the floor with every 22nd century ship he encounters. The same happens when a 24th century ship meets a 23rd century Starfleet.

* Many people have commented on the fact that in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', we saw Agent Daniels and his Time Agency watching for changes in the timeline, and logically, should have immediately prevented Nero from killing Kirk's father. However, Archer not only ended the Temporal Cold War back in 1944, but effectively wiped its effects from history. Depending on how much you believe in the TimeyWimeyBall effect, this quite possibly wiped the Time Agency and its constant monitoring of history and instead left in its place a very small department that consists of things like the USS Relativity and that small time pod from TNG. Why? Something that always happens during peace time; the Federation got lazy and comfortable. The budget for chrono-monitoring was lowered, and as a result, the Federation became less ''Time Lord'' and more ''Doc Brown's [=DeLorean=]'' (in fact, considering we never see Daniels again after this point, that's pretty good evidence that he ''was'' wiped from history). In short, Daniels and crew either weren't paying attention or simply didn't have the technology to track and defeat Nero... if this happened during the Temporal Cold War, we probably would have had an epic meeting between Kirk and Archer instead of Kirk and Old Spock...

* It has confused many as to why the USS Kelvin looked so different to anything else in the Prime Timeline, but then I realized the obvious fact; the Kelvin was a concept craft. In the original universe the altered uniforms, the window on the bridge, the shuttlecraft that looked far more advanced than the Galileo class from the prime 1701 Enterprise - all of which were either dead ends or deemed impractical or expensive for the Prime Universe. This happens in real life with sports cars; many manufacturers release one of a kind cars that showcase exactly what they can do if money and resources were no object. So what changed? Economics. If you compare the Prime and Alternate Federation, it's clear the Prime Universe has far less money/resources than the alternate universe. Maybe one of the survivors of the Kelvin would leave Starfleet and go on to become a great businessman, maybe it was the cold war with the Klingons... regardless, in the new timeline, the Kelvin was considered the birth of a new, more advanced breed of starship. Alternatively, the Federation changed the uniforms and viewscreen to the Kelvin concept variant as a mark of respect for the fallen.
** A simpler explanation: The destruction of the Kelvin, if it is such a concept craft, must have made Starfleet crap its pants about what could wield such power, leading to Starfleet investing much more into hardening their ships for combat than exploration. It's not the first time we've seen such destruction leading to beefier ships: Wolf-359 led to the much more powerful ships you see in First Contact, [=DS9=], and so on.
*** This explains how the Enterprise was able to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment and intercept the Narada's torpedo barrage towards Spock's ship. Starfleet improved the point defense systems of its ships after noticing Kelvin's weaknesses during its battle.

*** Further, the original series did have a little bit of ShipTease for them early on, such as in "Charlie X", which had Spock playing a lute while a mischievous Uhura decided to provide accompanying lyrics, singing a song which teasingly compared Mr. Spock to a devil who steals the hearts of unwary woman astronauts. Even back then, he evidently had a reputation as EstrogenBrigadeBait.
* The warp effect that Federation starships have is visually different from what we've seen in the previous films and TV series. Rather than distorted stars whipping past, it's more of a foggy, chaotic mess. It looks more like going into {{Hyperspace}} than warping space around the ship. But later when we see the Narada move through [[FauxdianSlip Hyper- I mean, warp,]] we see it's the same effect. Considering that Nero's incursion probably accelerated the technological development and militarization of Starfleet, the Federation probably reverse-engineered the unique physics of warp drive that Nero's ship used to improve their own systems. This additionally explains how the Enterprise is able to keep up with the Narada and the Jellyfish, ships with over a century's worth of technological advances, in the finale.

* At first, it confused this troper that the Narada's mining drill/laser would jam communications, but after thinking about it, I've found a plausible explanation. It might only jam 23rd century Federation com-signals. By the 24th century, the Romulans might be using completely different types of signals.

* When Chekov is first seen, he introduces himself to Pike as "Chekov, Pavel Andreovich" (no doubt riffing off of the interrogation scene in "The Voyage Home"), and Pike says "Well, Chekov, Pavel Andreovich..." Initially, it seems like Chekov is just being an awkward sewenteen-year-old, and Pike is being mildly patronizing by repeating what he said verbatim. But, if you look at the Russian naming conventions, you can give a Russian name in either order, as long as the patronymic (ending in "-ovich" or "-ova") comes after the first name. Addressing a Russian like "Chekov, Pavel Andreiovich" is perfectly natural in formal situations, especially for first introductions. Pike seems well-read enough to know that. With that knowledge, the scene reads more as Chekov saying what comes naturally to him, and Pike subtly acknowledging Russian culture to make him feel at ease.

* The Kobayashi Maru is an unbeatable SecretTestOfCharacter because no cadet can truly grasp the ramifications of losing a crew in a simulator with no real stakes.

** This also edges into TearJerker territory when you consider that, even though the prime universe Kirk technically only died 16 years earlier, Spock effectively lost him in 2293, when he disappeared and was presumed dead, since Kirk was [[KilledOffForReal dead for real]] by the time Spock would have learned what had really happened. No wonder he's so happy to see Kirk; he hasn't seen his best friend, arguably the person he loved most in the world, in nearly a century.

** This also edges into TearJerker territory when you consider that, even though the prime universe Kirk technically only died 16 years earlier, Spock effectively lost him in 2293, when he disappeared and was presumed dead, since Kirk was [[KilledOffForReal dead for real]] by the time Spock would have learned what had really happened. No wonder he's so happy to see Kirk; he hasn't seen his best friend, arguably the person he loved most in the world, in nearly a century.

* The large spaces in the ship is actually ''Narada'''s cargo hold. Scotty may actually have transported Kirk and Spock into what he assumed was the cargo hold, but it may have been refitted into the ship's bridge.

* It's a frequent comment as to why the Narada carried such heavy ordnance, but if whichever minerals the Narada had been built to mine were rare enough to be worth retrieving en masse from distant planets, rather than scooping them up in any old asteroid field, then presumably they're ''also'' valuable enough to be worth stealing. Considering the paranoid nature of Romulans, they would plausible carry some armaments. These could be something that the Enterprise-E of their own time would laugh off, sure, but in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', Mirror Universe Archer gains access to a 23rd century Constitution-class starship and absolutely wipes the floor with every 22nd century ship he encounters. The same happens when a 24th century ship meets a 23rd century Starfleet.

* Many people have commented on the fact that in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', we saw Agent Daniels and his Time Agency watching for changes in the timeline, and logically, should have immediately prevented Nero from killing Kirk's father. However, Archer not only ended the Temporal Cold War back in 1944, but effectively wiped its effects from history. Depending on how much you believe in the TimeyWimeyBall effect, this quite possibly wiped the Time Agency and its constant monitoring of history and instead left in its place a very small department that consists of things like the USS Relativity and that small time pod from TNG. Why? Something that always happens during peace time; the Federation got lazy and comfortable. The budget for chrono-monitoring was lowered and as a result, the Federation became less ''Time Lord'' and more ''Doc Brown's [=DeLorean=]'' (in fact, considering we never see Daniels again after this point is pretty good evidence that he ''was'' wiped from history). In short, Daniels and crew either weren't paying attention or simply didn't have the technology to track and defeat Nero... if this happened during the Temporal Cold War, we probably would have had an epic meeting between Kirk and Archer instead of Kirk and Old Spock...

* It has confused many as to why the USS Kelvin looked so different to anything else in the Prime Timeline, but then I realized the obvious fact; the Kelvin was a concept craft. In the original universe the altered uniforms, the window on the bridge, the shuttlecraft that looked far more advanced than the Galileo class from the prime 1701 Enterprise - all of which were either dead ends or deemed impractical or expensive for the Prime Universe. This happens in real life with sports cars; many manufacturers release one of the kind cars that showcase exactly what they can do if money and resources were no object. So what changed? economics. If you compare the Prime and Alternate Federation, it's clear the Prime Universe has far less money/resources than the alternate universe. Maybe one of the survivors of the Kelvin would leave Starfleet and go on to become a great businessman, maybe it was the cold war with the Klingons... regardless in the new timeline, the Kelvin was considered the birth of a new, more advanced breed of starship. Alternatively, the Federation changed the uniforms and viewscreen to the Kelvin concept variant as a mark of respect for the fallen.

*** Further, the original series did have a little bit of ShipTease for them early on, such as in "Charlie X", which had Spock playing a lute while a mischievous Uhura decided to provide accompanying lyrics, singing a song which teasingly compared Mr. Spock to a devil who steals the hearts of unwary woman astronauts. Even back then he evidently had a reputation as EstrogenBrigadeBait.

* When Chekov is first seen, he introduces himself to Pike as "Chekov, Pavel Andreovich", (no doubt riffing off of the interrogation scene in "The Voyage Home"), and Pike says "Well, Chekov, Pavel Andreovich..." Initially, it seems like Chekov is just being an awkward sewenteen-year-old, and Pike is being mildly patronizing by repeating what he said verbatim. But, if you look at the Russian naming conventions, you can give a Russian name in either order, as long as the patronymic (ending in "-ovich" or "-ova") comes after the first name. Addressing a Russian like "Chekov, Pavel Andreiovich" is perfectly natural in formal situations, especially for first introductions. Pike seems well-read enough to know that. With that knowledge, the scene reads more as Chekov saying what comes naturally to him, and Pike subtly acknowledging Russian culture to make him feel at ease.

* This is a bit of fridge logic from the end of the movie, Pike promoted Kirk to 2nd officer randomly which immediately brings Kirk up to 1st officer
* The Kobayashi Maru is unbeatable [[SecretTestOfCharacter Secret Test of Character]] because no cadet can truly grasp the ramifications of losing a crew in a stimulator with no real stakes.

** Watching the film just recently it occurred to me. Nero came from the future, well after the events of Star Trek Nemesis when the Romulan Empire had been crippled by the Remans. Nero came from a Unified Romulus, which would be nothing like the Romulans Empire we had seen before. It's as much of a wasted opportunity to see how their culture had adapted before its destruction.

** According to VideoGame/StarTrekOnline and the movie's tie-in comics, t travelled by subspace, so effectively at warp speed. The Romulans thought they had months/years before it reached them. They only had hours/days.

* Normally when Vulcans meet after not seeing each other for a while, they say something like "It is agreeable to see you again." Pleasant and polite, but devoid of deeper emotions. However, when Spock Prime saves Kirk on Delta Vega, what does he say? "It is '''remarkably pleasing''' to see you again, old friend." Yet another sign of how he's come to accept his human side, and with an alternate version of the man who helped him do so.

** Also, Pike was trying to address Chekov by his last name, but kept getting it wrong. ("Chanko? Cherpov?") Chekov started by correcting him on his name ("Ensign ''Chekov''") and Pike acknowledged the correction.