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* It actually makes sense that [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Bogel and Weerd]] wouldn't play any role in the movie when you consider [[spoiler:its MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ending. Having real ghosts would ruin the ambiguity.]]
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* It actually makes sense that [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Bogel and Weerd]] Weerd wouldn't play any role in the movie when you consider [[spoiler:its MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ending. Having real ghosts would ruin the ambiguity.]]
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** We can now say Return to Zombie island has thrown a really interesting development to how this conversation was going. If you look at both these films together they both are attempts to weave past Scooby events into the current direction, both have moments that are mirrors of each other including both leave a different supernatural element the possibility of another return and Return to Zombie Island even keeps continuity right from the events of Curse of the 13th ghost. Like or hate it, this sounds like WB actually intends to go somewhere with this in the future. Otherwise that's a lot of set up and coincidences for nothing.
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** According to this film's writer [[https://youtu.be/0aKZ_aBDvQ0 here]] the theory WB works with general Hanna Barbera RuleOfCool and BroadStrokes was seemingly confirmed on this film. Where they viewed Zombie Island as still having happened in their past even if this film was not entirely consistent. However we should note this was what it was like when he was writing this movie, this would have been written over a year ago and he said he hasn't worked on any Scooby material since. So new people or new opinions may be at WB right now that weren't there then.
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* By the original Series demon creations there never really was a probable point in time to pin their original capture down when considered by the townsfolk's origin. However with now the information they were originally from ancient times and were freed once before and slowly captured adds a lot more wiggle room. As such it makes more sense some of them learned to adopt their powers to different technologies over the years. The gimmick they had when Scooby met them no longer has to be what they've always done and becomes what they were capable of then.
* Based on Vincent's history of Asmodeus it also seems to confirm when captured in the chest they were pretty much stuck in a spiritual jail. So it also makes sense that some of the magic users were more powerful then Vincent remembered them in 13 Ghosts. They essentially had the same opportunity Asmodeus did and several of them did manage to one up Vincent on their next trip out. At least temporarily.
* Based on Vincent's history of Asmodeus it also seems to confirm when captured in the chest they were pretty much stuck in a spiritual jail. So it also makes sense that some of the magic users were more powerful then Vincent remembered them in 13 Ghosts. They essentially had the same opportunity Asmodeus did and several of them did manage to one up Vincent on their next trip out. At least temporarily.
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* It actually makes sense that [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Bogel and Weerd]] wouldn't play any role in the movie when you consider [[spoiler:its MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ending. Having real ghosts would ruin the ambiguity.]]
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No edit here but if anyone wishes to edit to argue for either point until the next movie please feel free. I don't think we should edit the whole continuty war thing on any of them yet based on just this film
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** However there is a competing theory that the events of Zombie Island already happened but there's either a in-universe reason such as perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt and that is his "curse". There's also a stranger easter egg in that in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in ''Witch's Ghost'', ''Alien Invaders'' and ''Cyber Chase''. But some of the older fans instead see most of this was standard Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux in action. Where the past might always come back to haunt you even if they don't always play the continuity for anything over than RuleOfFun. Frankencreepy also gave this side of the argument help when it's CreditsGag had a nerdy character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors.
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** However there is a competing theory that the events of Zombie Island already happened but there's either a in-universe reason such as perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt and that is his "curse". There's also a stranger easter egg in that in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in ''Witch's Ghost'', ''Alien Invaders'' and ''Cyber Chase''. But some of the older fans instead see most of this was standard Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux in action. Where the past might always come back to haunt you even if they don't always play the continuity for anything over other than RuleOfFun. Frankencreepy also gave this side of the argument help when it's CreditsGag had a nerdy character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors.
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I'm not touching the main page on this until the movie is out to save the headache. But this should explain to anyone reading it where the various sides are for now. These pages will probably need a little reorganzing afterwards anyway.
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** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device explanation (that's not just business as usual) it's going to happen here. Perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it is also likely that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in ''Witch's Ghost'', ''Alien Invaders'' and ''Cyber Chase''. It was also in that same movie the credits gag featured a character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be dismissed with usual Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux.
** One of the leaked scenes shows Daphne has a framed photograph of the gang unmasking the Moat Monster from Zombie Island in her room. Either way this film should end most of this debate for the forseeable future. If there's zero meta explanation it is being done in the HB style. If there is, we'll have it explained.
** They also had a painting of Moonscar Mansion in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheGourmetGhoul'' hanging in the background.
** One of the leaked scenes shows Daphne has a framed photograph of the gang unmasking the Moat Monster from Zombie Island in her room. Either way this film should end most of this debate for the forseeable future. If there's zero meta explanation it is being done in the HB style. If there is, we'll have it explained.
** They also had a painting of Moonscar Mansion in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheGourmetGhoul'' hanging in the background.
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** For those not up on the most current leaks, leaks and super fan speculation, this discussion may have a settled answer come the film's release. The source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull under the belief this movie will be the case that breaks up Mystery Inc before Zombie Island. The previous film ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheGourmetGhost'' had a meta device explanation (that's not just business picture of Moonscar Mansion hanging in the background of where the gang was standing. And a leaked scene of this film shows Daphne has a framed photograph of the gang unmasking the Moat Monster from Zombie Island in her room.
** However there is a competing theory that the events of Zombie Island already happened but there's either a in-universe reason such asusual) it's going to happen here. Perhaps perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it AWizardDidIt and that is his "curse". There's also likely a stranger easter egg in that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in ''Witch's Ghost'', ''Alien Invaders'' and ''Cyber Chase''. It But some of the older fans instead see most of this was standard Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux in action. Where the past might always come back to haunt you even if they don't always play the continuity for anything over than RuleOfFun. Frankencreepy also in that same movie gave this side of the credits gag featured argument help when it's CreditsGag had a nerdy character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be dismissed with usual Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux.
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**One of the leaked scenes shows Daphne has a framed photograph of the gang unmasking the Moat Monster from Zombie Island in her room. Either No matter which way this film should end most and the next one play out will probably give some kind of settlement to part of this debate going forward for the forseeable foreseeable future. If there's zero meta explanation it is being done in the HB style. If there is, we'll The films will have it explained.
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* Why does the movie ignore the first four direct-to-video films when Velma doesn't believe in real monsters. Simple, that film takes place when the crew's been broken up for a while (on fairly friendly terms), and are adults. Here they are still teenagers, so such events hadn't happened yet. Given the van in those movies is noticeably different from the classic machine, it even works that a-way.
** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device explanation (that's not just business as usual) it's going to happen here. Perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it is also likely that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase. It was also in that same movie the credits gag featured a character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be dismissed with usual Hanna Barbera continuity flux.
** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device explanation (that's not just business as usual) it's going to happen here. Perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it is also likely that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase. It was also in that same movie the credits gag featured a character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be dismissed with usual Hanna Barbera continuity flux.
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** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device explanation (that's not just business as usual) it's going to happen here. Perhaps they repressed the memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it is also likely that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was inWitch's Ghost, Alien Invaders ''Witch's Ghost'', ''Alien Invaders'' and Cyber Chase.''Cyber Chase''. It was also in that same movie the credits gag featured a character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be dismissed with usual Hanna Barbera Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux.flux.
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** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device on this besides normal HB continuity flux explanation (that's not just business as usual) it's going to happen here. Although Perhaps they repressed the latter seems more memories or the 13th ghost himself pulled an example of AWizardDidIt. However it is also likely due to be reminded that they are just running on the general Hanna Barber-inspired practice of using continuity for RuleOfFun. Those also not having kept up with the series might also note that back in ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy'' one of the faces on the Scooby revenge group was designed to look like the background tourist guy who was in Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase. So It was also in that same movie the meta example may credits gag featured a character get arrested for pointing out continuity errors. So some generally believe anything like that will simply be they repressed the memories or because this dismissed with usual Hanna Barbera inspired, they just using continuity only out of RuleOFFun. (Which was another thing they poked fun at in Frankencreepy.)flux.
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* Why does the movie ignore the first four direct-to-video films when Velma doesn't believe in real monsters. Simple, that film takes place when the crew's been broken up for a while (on fairly friendly terms), and are adults. Here they are still teenagers, so such events hadn't happened yet. Given the van in those movies is noticeably different from the classic machine, it even works that a-way.a-way.
** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device on this besides normal HB continuity flux it's going to happen here.
** For those not up on the most current leaks, the source that found out about this movie two days before the trailer lists the next movie they worked on as "Return to Zombie Island". Some suspect if they are going to pull a meta device on this besides normal HB continuity flux it's going to happen here.
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