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*** Also, ol' Boostrap was initially rescued by Davy Jones from a FateWorseThanDeath strapped to a cannon at the bottom of the ocean. Being freed from service on the Dutchman might mean William the elder has to pass on to the realm of the dead if he leaves. Much better to make up for lost time with his son, both doing what they love doing best.
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*** I always took it to mean the ones spreading the stories were the cursed crew of the Pearl. Fridge Horror for any anyone who'd heard the stories.
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*** If you're referring to the curse on the Flying Duchman, it was stated somewhere that the curse was broken when Elizabeth was there when Will got his one day ashore plus the fact that he continued its duties. Bootstrap stayed on as a willing, free crewmember.
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* In ''Dead Man's Chest'' I found the group of people in the swamp in holding a vigil for Captain Jack to be bit odd, but then I remembered something from Jack's backstory: the reason he was branded a pirate was because he freed a group of slaves. The people in the swamps could very well be the slaves he freed and they're paying their respects to the person that saved them.
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** Both counts are explained. They bound him to a cannon so he'd sink to the bottom, where the pressure was so great he couldn't move. They might not have been able to kill him, but they certainly put him in an AndIMustScream situation. He sold his soul to Jones not out of fear of death like most of his crew, but to ''get out of there''. In his own words: "If there was any chance of escaping this fate, I'd take it. I'd trade ''anything'' for it..."
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**On that line, I've always been bothered by the crew of the Black Pearl throwing Bootstrap Bill overboard and acting like they're done with it and will never see him again. He's under the same curse as all the rest of them, so he couldn't have been killed. Which leads to the question of why he is with Davy Jones' crew later on, if he didn't have death to fear at first.
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* Ragetti is very protective of his wooden eye, despite the fact it's mentioned to not fit properly and keeps falling out. Come ''At World's End'', we find out why.
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* While it appears to be a beginning to a new trilogy with little connection to the previous three films, ''On Stranger Tides'' continues the themes of the third film, that is the "shrinking" of the world through the loss of its supernatural elements, in this case [[spoiler:the Fountain of Youth and Blackbeard]].
* Why did Jack want the cursed treasure so much when it's implied he knew it was cursed, or at least knew the rumors? Cursed or not, he was probably looking for a way out of his deal with Jones, either by trading him the treasure or by hoping the curse would somehow make Jones unable to bind him to service.
* Why did Jack want the cursed treasure so much when it's implied he knew it was cursed, or at least knew the rumors? Cursed or not, he was probably looking for a way out of his deal with Jones, either by trading him the treasure or by hoping the curse would somehow make Jones unable to bind him to service.
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Yeah, this has everything to do with her just not making \'girltalk\' with someone they were deliberately planning to sacrifice and murder.
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* In "Stranger Tides," it seems odd at first, that Angelica has no interaction with Syrena, when they're the only two women in the group. One might think that Angelica would love to have another girl to talk to, and be enchanted by a mermaid. But, in this time period, mermaids are not yet fairy-tale creatures that girls love ("The Little Mermaid" won't be written by Andersen for another couple hundred years at least). They're fearful monsters that parents tell about to their children to scare them. On top of that, Angelica's Catholic faith would probably make her want to avoid a supernatural creature whose power comes largely from manipulating men's lust.
** And also think about ''why'' they needed to capture a mermaid in the first place. Getting friendly with a creature you intend to sacrifice for her tears is probably not something you'd want to do.
** And also think about ''why'' they needed to capture a mermaid in the first place. Getting friendly with a creature you intend to sacrifice for her tears is probably not something you'd want to do.
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** And also think about ''why'' they needed to capture a mermaid in the first place. Getting friendly with a creature you intend to sacrifice for her tears is probably not something you'd want to do.
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*** Actually, none of these options would occur. Remember how the Black Pearl crew's immortality worked? They don't regrow parts, and they can be easily disassembled...but the various pieces violently try to reattach themselves. Furthermore, if they took the monkey inside before eating it, it would be all fleshified and perfectly healthy to eat (well, as healthy as a normal monkey, anyway). So here's how I see this playing out. The crew, starving to death, decides to bite the bullet and carve up the monkey. They carve it, still fully alive and conscious, into multiple pieces, then presumably fry said pieces or boil them or something to kill all of the mites and fleas and bacteria and stuff (which I'm assuming are not undead). Bear in mind that these pieces are still alive and vaguely conscious, a la the arm that Governor Swan chops off in Black Pearl. After being bisected and boiled alive, the monkey's still-wriggling parts are devoured by starving pirates, at which point they're dissolved by stomach acid...or are they? The undead pirates can recover from stab wounds, so their cells must knit their way back together like the larger limbs. So after eating the monkey's still-living, boiled appendages, each pirate now has an acid-resistant chunk of food thrashing its way out of his intestines, tearing through the stomach lining, and trying to reunite itself with the rest of its body...which is doing the same thing, in someone else's stomach.
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]]
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]]
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** And also think about ''why'' they needed to capture a mermaid in the first place. Getting friendly with a creature you intend to sacrifice for her tears is probably not something you'd want to do.
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* In "Stranger Tides," it seems odd at first, that Angelica has no interaction with Syrena, when they're the only two women in the group. One might think that Angelica would love to have another girl to talk to, and be enchanted by a mermaid. But, in this time period, mermaids are not yet fairy-tale creatures that girls love ("The Little Mermaid" won't be written by Andersen for another couple hundred years at least). They're fearful monsters that parents tell about to their children to scare them. On top of that, Angelica's Catholic faith would probably make her want to avoid a supernatural creature whose power comes largely from manipulating men's lust.
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Not the best wording, but I think I convey the meaning: they had all begun to lose what was really important to them, for the sake of something else less significant related to the Heart.
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**** Also, think about that line a bit more. "Resurrector of the dead". Dead being the key word. The cook who Blackbeard kills after the mutiny is later seen among the zombies. By the looks of it, Blackbeard can only make someone a zombie AFTER they're already dead. Quite the problem if you're trying to AVOID death.
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* When in Whitecap Bay, one of the mermaids grab Angelica and try to pull her into the water, only to be rescued by Jack. Now it's said mermaids "have their way with" the sailors they drag under, so that means said Mermaid was a lesbian, or bi.
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]]
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]]]]
* When in Whitecap Bay, one of the mermaids grab Angelica and try to pull her into the water, only to be rescued by Jack. Now it's said mermaids "have their way with" the sailors they drag under, so that means said Mermaid was a lesbian, or bi.
* When in Whitecap Bay, one of the mermaids grab Angelica and try to pull her into the water, only to be rescued by Jack. Now it's said mermaids "have their way with" the sailors they drag under, so that means said Mermaid was a lesbian, or bi.
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** Or like Jack, they thought they needed them to get into the fountain.
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were stranglings.strangulations.]]
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* In the opening of ''At World's End'', the hanging scene, where they're hanging everyone remotely associated with piracy, the fact that all Beckett has to do is say someone is a pirate and to hang them, no matter if they were. The real big bit of fridge horror was the kid who began the song; Hanging is potentially immediately fatal, as the sudden stop can(and usually does) snap necks. The kid, however, was on the small side, and probably didn't gain enough momentum in the drop to snap his neck. He strangled until he died.
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* In the opening of ''At World's End'', the hanging scene, where they're hanging everyone remotely associated with piracy, the fact that all Beckett has to do is say someone is a pirate and to hang them, no matter if they were. The real big bit of fridge horror was the kid who began the song; Hanging is potentially immediately fatal, as the sudden stop can(and usually does) snap necks. The kid, however, was on the small side, and probably didn't gain enough momentum in the drop to snap his neck. He strangled until he died.died.
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were stranglings.]]
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** Notice the voodoo doll hanging from the hair, yeah pretty creepy if you ask me
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** Beckett is ''also'' thieving and murdering scum. He's just higher-class scum. It's a grey-and-grey morality situation, and we root for the pirates because a. we spend more time with them and b. Beckett's a CompleteMonster who is trying to seize control of all the supernatural power of the sea for himself.
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** Beckett is ''also'' thieving and murdering scum. He's just higher-class scum. It's a grey-and-grey morality situation, and we root for the pirates because a. we spend more time with them and b. Beckett's a CompleteMonster who is trying to seize control of all the supernatural power of the sea for himself.himself.
* In the opening of ''At World's End'', the hanging scene, where they're hanging everyone remotely associated with piracy, the fact that all Beckett has to do is say someone is a pirate and to hang them, no matter if they were. The real big bit of fridge horror was the kid who began the song; Hanging is potentially immediately fatal, as the sudden stop can(and usually does) snap necks. The kid, however, was on the small side, and probably didn't gain enough momentum in the drop to snap his neck. He strangled until he died.
* In the opening of ''At World's End'', the hanging scene, where they're hanging everyone remotely associated with piracy, the fact that all Beckett has to do is say someone is a pirate and to hang them, no matter if they were. The real big bit of fridge horror was the kid who began the song; Hanging is potentially immediately fatal, as the sudden stop can(and usually does) snap necks. The kid, however, was on the small side, and probably didn't gain enough momentum in the drop to snap his neck. He strangled until he died.
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** Always figured they wanted to take the Chalices back to Spain as trophies. Their leader only decided to destroy them when he found the British soldiers and Blackbeard's crew at the Fountain and decided to make his point dramatically.
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* In the fourth movie, if the Spaniards were intent on destroying the fountain from the beginning, why didn't they just destroy the chalices when they had them? They still could have gotten into the fountain, considering they managed it at the end, and destroying the chalices would have prevented anyone from using it.
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**... and? Barbossa's crew were, from what we see of them, unabashed criminal scum. Even Pintel and Ragetti (though they're [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain endearingly inept scum]] and spared on account of being the comic relief). I'm not a big fan of the death penalty in real life, but I confess I'm failing to see the horror in a crew of fictional villains being hanged.
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* Is it only me that has noticed the inherent horror of rooting for the pirates in Worlds End. Yes, the English are being led by a dick, but most of them are innocent and honest sailors, and when you think about it, the pirates are basically all just thieving and murdering scum! I say this, of course, but I still can't stop myself rooting for the pirates at the end.
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* Is it only me that has noticed the inherent horror of rooting for the pirates in Worlds End. Yes, the English are being led by a dick, but most of them are innocent and honest sailors, and when you think about it, the pirates are basically all just thieving and murdering scum! I say this, of course, but I still can't stop myself rooting for the pirates at the end.end.
** Beckett is ''also'' thieving and murdering scum. He's just higher-class scum. It's a grey-and-grey morality situation, and we root for the pirates because a. we spend more time with them and b. Beckett's a CompleteMonster who is trying to seize control of all the supernatural power of the sea for himself.
** Beckett is ''also'' thieving and murdering scum. He's just higher-class scum. It's a grey-and-grey morality situation, and we root for the pirates because a. we spend more time with them and b. Beckett's a CompleteMonster who is trying to seize control of all the supernatural power of the sea for himself.
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*** It steals potential years too. Angelica clearly said(paraphrased) "years they have lived or would have lived."
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*** It steals potential years too. Angelica clearly said(paraphrased) "years they have lived or would have lived.""
*Is it only me that has noticed the inherent horror of rooting for the pirates in Worlds End. Yes, the English are being led by a dick, but most of them are innocent and honest sailors, and when you think about it, the pirates are basically all just thieving and murdering scum! I say this, of course, but I still can't stop myself rooting for the pirates at the end.
*Is it only me that has noticed the inherent horror of rooting for the pirates in Worlds End. Yes, the English are being led by a dick, but most of them are innocent and honest sailors, and when you think about it, the pirates are basically all just thieving and murdering scum! I say this, of course, but I still can't stop myself rooting for the pirates at the end.
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** [[spoiler:The stopper has been sealed in a different way, with some various magic runes or symbols, and would have no idea what would happen, or Jack even realized what they were, and it was how he knew about his "Ritual" which he and Gibbs could perform]]
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** [[spoiler:The stopper has been sealed in a different way, with some various magic runes or symbols, and they would have no idea what would happen, or Jack even realized what they were, and it was how he knew about his "Ritual" which he and Gibbs could would need to perform]]
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* How could anyone forget the bit that Jack himself lamshaded in ''Curse of the Black Pearl''? When one of his fellow prison inmates said that there were never any survivors from attacks by the Black Pearl, he questioned where the stories about it came from.
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* How could anyone forget the bit that Jack himself lamshaded lampshaded in ''Curse of the Black Pearl''? When one of his fellow prison inmates said that there were never any survivors from attacks by the Black Pearl, he questioned where the stories about it came from.
** They were just that: stories. Pirates often spread rumours around. Plus, people exaggerate. We see how the Pearl, under Barbossa, raided Port Royal in the first film, so if this is a bench mark on how they conducted raids, it's possible there were survivor who exaggerated the effects.
** They were just that: stories. Pirates often spread rumours around. Plus, people exaggerate. We see how the Pearl, under Barbossa, raided Port Royal in the first film, so if this is a bench mark on how they conducted raids, it's possible there were survivor who exaggerated the effects.
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*** Assuming, again, that you can ''get'' any nutritional value from something that's been cursed and undead for several years. Methinks that more likely you'd get very, very sick. ''I'' wouldn't chance it.
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* Take a good look at the ''PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' skull logo. Red scarf, plaits, the coins, the beads - yep, that's Captain Jack Sparrow. Or what remains of him.
** Averted if you assume it's Captain Jack ''while he was under the Curse himself''.
*** Dubious. Even under the curse, Jack's skull was covered by remnants of withered flesh. Most obviously, he still had eyeballs.
** Nobody seems to remember the Redshirt who fell off the ''Black Pearl'' in the third film while still in the world of the dead. He's going to drift in that sea for all eternity.
** What about ol' Bill Turner? Why would Will ''want'' his father to continue suffering a FateWorseThanDeath?
** Speaking of the Pirates franchise, if you check out the Wikipedia page about Port Royal, it states at the end of the first paragraph, a number of horrors that descended upon the town starting and ending with two deadly earthquakes: one in 1692 and another in 1907. Fires, hurricanes, floods and epidemics were also in the mix. It almost makes some of the fates for the cast seem more pleasant than if Will and Elizabeth had gotten married and everyone lived out 'happy' lives in the town.
** ''On Stranger Tides'':[[spoiler: Since the Black Pearl was sunk by Blackbeard, and Barbossa barely escaped, what does that mean for the rest of the crew, who were loveable characters in the first three movies ? Cotton and his parrot, Marty the dwarf, Pintel and Ragetti ? They probably all died when the Pearl was attacked...]]
*** [[spoiler:If things went right, they were shrinked along with the ship. If and how they survive is Fridge Horror on its own.]]
** In the third movie, the whole group of heroes end up quarreling at one point and [[MexicanStandoff holding guns to each other's heads]]. When they pull the trigger, they realize the guns don't work because the powder got wet. Even so: would they really have killed each other?? Jack is the first to pull the trigger on Barbossa, which is somewhat understandable as they were mortal enemies in the first movie. But the next person to try pulling the trigger is Elizabeth, pointing it at Jack! It would have been pretty silly for her to kill Jack at the end of the second movie, feel all guilty about it and go through all the trouble of getting him back from the dead, only to kill him immediately after they returned to the real world (the only explanation that would somewhat excuse her is that [[FridgeBrilliance she already knew the gun wouldn't work, and pulled the trigger only pretending she wanted to kill Jack, in a sort of pouty way.]] [[RecklessGunUsage But it's still really risky!]])
*** Let's be honest. Elizabeth is a ManipulativeBastard , which makes her the only known predator of [[spoiler: Jack's MagnificentBastard]].
*** Probably a case where, as above, they knew the guns wouldn't work or the writers DidNotDoTheResearch, as anyone even minimally familiar with flintlock black-powder weapons knows a sufficiently ''humid'' day will render them inoperable, let alone having been drenched in the sea.
* Take a good look at the ''PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' skull logo. Red scarf, plaits, the coins, the beads - yep, that's Captain Jack Sparrow. Or what remains of him.
** Averted if you assume it's Captain Jack ''while he was under the Curse himself''.
*** Dubious. Even under the curse, Jack's skull was covered by remnants of withered flesh. Most obviously, he still had eyeballs.
** Nobody seems to remember the Redshirt who fell off the ''Black Pearl'' in the third film while still in the world of the dead. He's going to drift in that sea for all eternity.
** What about ol' Bill Turner? Why would Will ''want'' his father to continue suffering a FateWorseThanDeath?
** Speaking of the Pirates franchise, if you check out the Wikipedia page about Port Royal, it states at the end of the first paragraph, a number of horrors that descended upon the town starting and ending with two deadly earthquakes: one in 1692 and another in 1907. Fires, hurricanes, floods and epidemics were also in the mix. It almost makes some of the fates for the cast seem more pleasant than if Will and Elizabeth had gotten married and everyone lived out 'happy' lives in the town.
** ''On Stranger Tides'':[[spoiler: Since the Black Pearl was sunk by Blackbeard, and Barbossa barely escaped, what does that mean for the rest of the crew, who were loveable characters in the first three movies ? Cotton and his parrot, Marty the dwarf, Pintel and Ragetti ? They probably all died when the Pearl was attacked...]]
*** [[spoiler:If things went right, they were shrinked along with the ship. If and how they survive is Fridge Horror on its own.]]
** In the third movie, the whole group of heroes end up quarreling at one point and [[MexicanStandoff holding guns to each other's heads]]. When they pull the trigger, they realize the guns don't work because the powder got wet. Even so: would they really have killed each other?? Jack is the first to pull the trigger on Barbossa, which is somewhat understandable as they were mortal enemies in the first movie. But the next person to try pulling the trigger is Elizabeth, pointing it at Jack! It would have been pretty silly for her to kill Jack at the end of the second movie, feel all guilty about it and go through all the trouble of getting him back from the dead, only to kill him immediately after they returned to the real world (the only explanation that would somewhat excuse her is that [[FridgeBrilliance she already knew the gun wouldn't work, and pulled the trigger only pretending she wanted to kill Jack, in a sort of pouty way.]] [[RecklessGunUsage But it's still really risky!]])
*** Let's be honest. Elizabeth is a ManipulativeBastard , which makes her the only known predator of [[spoiler: Jack's MagnificentBastard]].
*** Probably a case where, as above, they knew the guns wouldn't work or the writers DidNotDoTheResearch, as anyone even minimally familiar with flintlock black-powder weapons knows a sufficiently ''humid'' day will render them inoperable, let alone having been drenched in the sea.
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** And the years he would have lived if "fate had been kinder".
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* In ''On Stranger Tides'', [[spoiler:the fountain of youth's ritual steals the potential life of one person, and gives it to another, and while Blackbeard never said exactly whose life he was going to use, there just so happened to be a 14 year old boy that they had happened to kidnap]].
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* In ''On Stranger Tides'', [[spoiler:the fountain of youth's ritual steals the potential life of one person, and gives it to another, and while Blackbeard never said exactly whose life he was going to use, there just so happened to be a 14 year old boy that they had happened to kidnap]].kidnap]].
** It steals the years they lived, not their potential years.
** It steals the years they lived, not their potential years.
