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* The ''Citadel'' DLC is built around the idea that Shepard is nothing without his crew. This doesn't just apply to [[spoiler:Shepard being saved by his squad whilst Brooks refuses to do the same for the clone]], but the ''entire mission'' - Shepard would've died if Wrex & Shep's closest friend in the squad didn't find him on the Wards; and every single time they come across another hurdle, it's not resolved by Shepard, but by something brought to to the table by the crew, who [[spoiler:Brooks & the clone]] failed to take into consideration.
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**** And the Canadians! *cough* But, on a related note, on the ME3 mission to London, the initial drop is really, really reminiscent of fictional representations of the Normandy landing. So does that make Commander Shepard's invasion the [[IncrediblyLamePun second invasion of Normandy?]]

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**** And the Canadians! *cough* But, on a related note, on the ME3 mission to London, the initial drop is really, really reminiscent of fictional representations of the Normandy landing.D-Day. So does that make Commander Shepard's invasion the [[IncrediblyLamePun second invasion of Normandy?]]
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**** And the Canadians! *cough* But, on a related note, on the ME3 mission to London, the initial drop is really, really reminiscent of fictional representations of the Normandy landing. So does that make Commander Shepard's invasion the [[IncrediblyLamePun second invasion of Normandy?]]
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** The more I look back on ME1 the more I'm convinced at least some parts of the ME3 ending were planned from the beginning. [[spoiler: Making a sacrifice is exactly what Shepard does to stop the Reapers - s/he must sacrifice himself/herself.]] And right before this event in ME3, Shepard says "what do you need me to do?" As in, what do you need me to do to "get the mission done." Gah.
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*** This also draws a really weird parallel between Wrex and Mordin - Shepard mentions Krogan scientists to Mordin as well, and Mordin says something along the lines of "never met Krogan worthy of the term." Since Wrex and Mordin can basically team up in 3 to [[spoiler: help cure the genophage,]] it's pretty interesting that both of them judged or misjudged the Krogan species in exactly the same way.
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*** Especially since [[spoiler: Legion]] mentions that the geth often leak information to organics in order to study their behaviour.

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** There's another thing: [[spoiler: The Catalyst did not create the cycle of destruction: its creators noticed that it happened to all their vassal species when they reached a certain level of technological advancement]], and [[spoiler: the Catalist itself created the Reapers as a twisted way to preserve species which would have been otherwise doomed by the EternalRecurrence]]. But the Crucible itself is a tool invented by [[spoiler: an extinct species eons ago, which has been slowly but steadily improved in its design by the following civilizations]]. That's not the cycle repeating over and over: that's '''progress''': [[spoiler: The Catalyst, and by extension the Reapers, were convinced that the cycle of destruction was an universal force over which organic civilization could never prevail: by connecting the Crucible to the Citadel]], Shep & co demonstrated that this postulate was wrong



* It's been already mentionned here and there, but let's go at it with more details: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzdleJarI0 Go and watch]] the Longest day scene when the allied fleet is first seen from Normandy. Then rewatch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTsXIITeGA the arrival of the fleets]]: the point of view changes, but It's pretty much the [[MeaningfulName Normandy Landings]] all over again. In fact: look at the Council Races: the ancient advanced civilization of the Asari are the British who spent most of the last two centuries under the reign of two long-lived matriarchs. The Salarians are the USA: the tech-savvy ally with a much smaller standing army before the War and powerful politicians in favor of isolationism. The Turian are the USRR: an authoritarian meritocracy which takes the brunt of the damage and manage hold long harrowing sieges of its biggest metropolises. And finaly, the Earth alliance is France: its homeland is occupied early, it suffers greatly from the influence of a well connected collaborateur, but their is still a sizable and increasingly organized resistance which manage to interfere with their plan and play a vital role with a very important '''and''' symbolic battle (London instead of Paris), with the help of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle an exiled officer turned political leader]] with a taste for [[RousingSpeech Rousing Speaches]] rallying the forces of Earth/France colonies and forced through sheer force of will the other three powers to give his world/country a seat at the great powers table. Yep: we're all French now.

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* It's been already mentionned here and there, but let's go at it with more details: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzdleJarI0 Go and watch]] the Longest day scene when the allied fleet is first seen from Normandy. Then rewatch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTsXIITeGA the arrival of the fleets]]: the point of view changes, but It's pretty much the [[MeaningfulName Normandy Landings]] all over again. In fact: look at the Council Races: the ancient advanced civilization of the Asari are the British who spent most of the last two centuries under the reign of two long-lived matriarchs. The Salarians are the USA: the tech-savvy ally with a much smaller standing army before the War and powerful politicians in favor of isolationism. The Turian are the USRR: USSR: an authoritarian meritocracy which takes the brunt of the damage and manage hold long harrowing sieges of its biggest metropolises. And finaly, the Earth alliance is France: its homeland is occupied early, it suffers greatly from the influence of a well connected collaborateur, but their there is still a sizable and increasingly organized resistance which manage to interfere with their plan and play a vital role with a very important '''and''' symbolic battle (London instead of Paris), with the help of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle an exiled officer turned political leader]] with a taste for [[RousingSpeech Rousing Speaches]] rallying the forces of Earth/France colonies and forced through sheer force of will the other three powers to give his world/country a seat at the great powers table. Yep: we're all French now.
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* It's been already mentionned here and there, but let's go at it with more details: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzdleJarI0 Go and watch]] the Longest day scene when the allied fleet is first seen from Normandy. Then rewatch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTsXIITeGA the arrival of the fleets]]: the point of view changes, but It's pretty much the [[MeaningfulName Normandy Landings]] all over again. In fact: look at the Council Races: the ancient advanced civilization of the Asari are the British who spent most of the last two centuries under the reign of two long-lived matriarchs. The Salarians are the USA: the tech-savvy ally with a much smaller standing army before the War and powerful politicians in favor of isolationism. The Turian are the USRR: an authoritarian meritocracy which takes the brunt of the damage and manage hold long harrowing sieges of its biggest metropolises. And finaly, the Earth alliance is France: its homeland is occupied early, it suffers greatly from the influence of a well connected collaborateur, but their is still a sizable and increasingly organized resistance which manage to interfere with their plan and play a vital role with a very important '''and''' symbolic battle (London instead of Paris), with the help of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle an exiled officer turned political leader]] with a taste for [[RousingSpeech Rousing Speaches]] rallying the forces of Earth/France colonies and forced through sheer force of will the other three powers to give his world/country a seat at the great powers table. Yep: we're all French now.
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* A bit of Garrus/Shepard related Fridge Brilliance mixed with Fridge Sadness from the Citadel DLC. [[spoiler: during the "quiet" version of the party at Shepard's place, there's a running little subplot with Garrus and Zaeed conspiring to booby trap Shepard's apartment to guard her against future attacks. The whole scene is played for laughs, and it's very funny, but it struck me that there's a very good reason reason for Garrus' somewhat uncharacteristic overprotective boyfriend routine: his experiences being trapped in and fighting off the merc gangs assault on his apartment on Omega. He's hiding that paranoia and fear for Shepard's safety beneath the very typical Garrus CrazyPrepared snark and bluster. Where Fridge Brilliance really came into it for me is I always take Zaeed to Garrus' recruitment mission in [=ME2=], as do many players (since Jacob's comparatively weak against the mercs), and I always leave him to help Garrus while Shep and Miranda take care of the shutters. So Zaeed knows a thing or two and is being quietly supportive in his trigger happy bastard sort of way.]]
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* The revolutionary Tantalus drive (which, instead of ejecting mass in order to move the ship in the opposite direction, creates a powerful gravitic pull in front of the ship for it to "fall" into) is named after a man who constantly stretches his neck upwards, almost as if as he's being pulled by the tempting grapes dangling above him...
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** In fact all of the missions where this happens take place on one of the initial set of multiplayer maps.
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** No longer the case as of Retaliation. Cannibals can now take out downed players, and the newly added Collector forces do the same.
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** Their ''hands'' are used for hands. The elcor forearms have long fingers that they use to manipulate tools.
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** Really? Seems to me that Shepard always arrives well after the nick of time. If he'd been quicker on the draw, [[spoiler: There would be more survivors from Ashley's squad than just Ash herself, and with additional backup, Nilus may not be dead. Liara's entire excavation crew wouldn't have been wiped out. Neither would all the scientists on Noveria save for the handful that Shepard manages to find, etc. etc.]] Everything looks like a BigDamnHeroes entrance when you ignore all the people who died before the hero got there; rather, Shepard tends only to be able to prevent the catastrophic losses of a given situation from becoming total.

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** Really? Seems to me that Shepard always arrives well after the nick of time. If he'd been quicker on the draw, [[spoiler: There would be more survivors from Ashley's squad than just Ash herself, and with additional backup, Nilus Nihlus may not be dead. Liara's entire excavation crew wouldn't have been wiped out. Neither would all the scientists on Noveria save for the handful that Shepard manages to find, etc. etc.]] Everything looks like a BigDamnHeroes entrance when you ignore all the people who died before the hero got there; rather, Shepard tends only to be able to prevent the catastrophic losses of a given situation from becoming total.



** He'd probably get a kick out of The Lord of the Rings, though. Or Michael Bay movies.



** Pretty much what they were before? A psychotic biotic, The Punisher in Space, and [[Metaphorgotten now the analogy kind of falls apart.]]



* In multiplayer, geth and cerberus troops will stomp on a downed player to prevent them from getting up, or being helped up by allies. Reaper forces do not do this. Think for a second what they plan on doing to your characters.

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* In multiplayer, geth Geth and cerberus Cerberus troops will stomp on a downed player to prevent them from getting up, or being helped up by allies. Reaper forces do not do this. Think for a second what they plan on doing to your characters.characters.
** [[MontyPython Every body is sacred, every body is great...if a body is wasted, Harbinger gets quite irate...]]



*** Not to mention that in the Shadow Broker DLC, the Broker busts out an omni-shield.



**** Plus the Reapers have been sandbagging literally every civilization that's come since. They've ensured that they're the most advanced by sabotaging the technology that the new guys come across. And it's mentioned that the cycle isn't exact - sometimes they'll come at 30,000 years in, sometimes 70,000. It all depends on the civilization. Of course, this time around it got mucked up thanks to [[spoiler: those Protheans pulling a HeroicSacrifice to fiddle with the Keepers.]]



** Shepard is not the first to be nice to a synthetic. shepard is the first person to ever manage to complete the crucible and be so near using it. Catalyst said that any peace between organic life and synthetic life can only be for a short time before war begins, and as a V.I(as oppose to an A.I.) it is not able to see beyond that. from it's point of view, life between the two is simply ''impossible''. and you are unable to convince it otherwise. about the war, the reapers always had a dormant ship to prepare the invasion, like sovereign, who probably made sure invasion went smoothly. as it is mentioned in ME1, a normal reaper invasion is "control the mass relays and the citadel and make every race in this cycle blind", which is a ''huge'' advantage in the reaper's side. second, as garrus mentions in 3, the reapers have none of the normals weakneses most armies have. they don't need supplies and can make people into their soldiers, which garrus mentions, every new husk is 2 less soldiers in your side. the soldier who is a husk now, and the soldier who was his friend when alive. Even is a civilization was able to make a scientific jump long enough as to catch to the reapers technology, the reapers have ''too much''' advantages at their side.

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** Shepard is not the first to be nice to a synthetic. shepard Shepard is the first person to ever manage to complete the crucible and be so near using it. Catalyst said that any peace between organic life and synthetic life can only be for a short time before war begins, and as a V.I(as oppose to an A.I.) it is not able to see beyond that. from it's point of view, life between the two is simply ''impossible''. and you are unable to convince it otherwise. about the war, the reapers always had a dormant ship to prepare the invasion, like sovereign, who probably made sure invasion went smoothly. as it is mentioned in ME1, a normal reaper invasion is "control the mass relays and the citadel and make every race in this cycle blind", which is a ''huge'' advantage in the reaper's side. second, as garrus mentions in 3, the reapers have none of the normals weakneses most armies have. they don't need supplies and can make people into their soldiers, which garrus mentions, every new husk is 2 less soldiers in your side. the soldier who is a husk now, and the soldier who was his friend when alive. Even is a civilization was able to make a scientific jump long enough as to catch to the reapers technology, the reapers have ''too much''' advantages at their side.

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** Let's not forget that pretty much his entire life has been trauma. Can't do most of what other people can, has to bust his ass 24/7 to keep up and prove to the world and to himself that he's just as capable of doing his job as someone else if not more. He's under constant pressure, and as far as can be told, he's the Normandy's '''only''' helmsman.



*** Appears that frigate-class human ships are named after battles (''Hastings'' and ''Iwa Jima'' and likely others), and they're all ''Normandy'' '''Class''', so that is kind of the case. Still, it's pretty brilliant.

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*** Appears that frigate-class human ships are named after battles (''Hastings'' and ''Iwa ''Iwo Jima'' and likely others), and they're all ''Normandy'' '''Class''', so that is kind of the case. Still, it's pretty brilliant.



* The GrandFinale takes a lot of flak, but given enough thought, the entire series has been leading up to those [[spoiler:[[MultipleEndings Three Possible Endings]]. The Reapers are believed to be a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere, but the [[ExpositionFairy Catalyst]] points out that to its knowledge, ''every'' civilization falls apart due to failed [[TheSingularity Singularities]]; "[[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters The Created Destroys The Creator.]]" In the previous cycle, the Protheans had the "[[NoodleIncident Metacore War]]", and the current cycle has managed to do it ''twice''; not only the quarians and the geth, but also the turians/salarians and the krogan(uplifting a species to fight their battles for them and sterilizing them once they rebelled is no different ideologically from creating servants who refused to be turned off - creating life then throwing it away once it becomes troublesome). These wars destroy biospheres, preventing future species from evolving. When Harbinger spoke of being "salvation through destruction", he was right FromACertainPointOfView; they preserve civilizations as data, they preserve worlds from {{Robot War}}s. Once organics became capable of interacting with the Catalyst, that cycle became inherently flawed; the Reapers' network was no longer secure, and would eventually fall, destroying everything the Reapers had preserved. Hence it is left to Shepard what the new solution should be: preventing synthetic life from ever evolving again(by means of making technology impossible), subduing synthetic life so they cannot harm organics, or merging with synthetic life with the hope that interaction would defeat fear.]]
* The child that Shepard keeps having nightmares about throughout the game [[spoiler:turns out to be the Catalyst, the controlling intelligence behind the Reapers.]] His only words to Shepard? "Everyone's dying!" [[spoiler:He's not just talking about humans, he's talking about the occasional Reaper that falls, taking millions of uploaded sapients with it.]] "You can't help me!" [[spoiler:When Shepard activates the Crucible and reaches the Catalyst, ''all Shepard can decide is how it dies!'']] And he pulls off his StealthHiBye [[spoiler:by simply cutting communications to Shepard's Reaper implants when Anderson gets Shepard's attention for a moment.]]
* Contemplating on the ending, I couldn't help but feel a little guilty that I chose [[spoiler:the third option instead of the one where Shep might survive, since that'd leave Tali alone.]] But, thinking about it, the Normandy [[spoiler:crash-landed who knows how far away in the galaxy, and the Mass Relays are destroyed. So, essentially, Tali has ''no idea'' that Shep is dead, since they would have had to leave before the Citadel exploded. Chances are they won't see a resurgence of Mass Relay-level tech in her life-time. It's really a form of CruelMercy, that she'll never have to deal with that he's dead.]]
* Why was Joker trying to [[spoiler:outrace the Crucible's effect]]? Why did it cause [[spoiler:the Normandy to crash onto a deserted garden planet with a breathable atmosphere?]] Why were [[spoiler:Tali and Garrus]] on it, when (at least in this troper's game) they'd been fighting alongside Shepard down on Earth? Easy. [[spoiler:Joker was trying to save EDI (though how he knew she was in danger, or ''why'' she would be in danger if you chose the Paragon ending is unclear), but failed to (again, ''why?''), and then died in the resulting crash. Meanwhile, Tali and Garrus were killed by Harbinger while Shepard was K.O.'ed. The garden planet he, Tali and Garrus emerge on is some version of Heaven.]] Hopefully, it has a bar where they can wait for Shepard.

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* The GrandFinale takes a lot of flak, but given enough thought, the entire series has been leading up to those [[spoiler:[[MultipleEndings Three Possible Endings]]. The Reapers are believed to be a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere, but the [[ExpositionFairy Catalyst]] points out that to its knowledge, ''every'' civilization falls apart due to failed [[TheSingularity Singularities]]; "[[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters The Created Destroys The Creator.]]" In the previous cycle, the Protheans had the "[[NoodleIncident Metacore War]]", and the current cycle has managed to do it ''twice''; not only the quarians and the geth, but also the turians/salarians and the krogan(uplifting a species to fight their battles for them and sterilizing them once they rebelled is no different ideologically from creating servants who refused to be turned off - creating life then throwing it away once it becomes troublesome). These wars destroy biospheres, preventing future species from evolving. When Harbinger spoke of being "salvation through destruction", he was right FromACertainPointOfView; they preserve civilizations as data, they preserve worlds from {{Robot War}}s. Once organics became capable of interacting with the Catalyst, that cycle became inherently flawed; the Reapers' network was no longer secure, and would eventually fall, destroying everything the Reapers had preserved. Hence it is left to Shepard what the new solution should be: preventing synthetic life from ever evolving again(by again (by means of making technology impossible), subduing synthetic life so they cannot harm organics, or merging with synthetic life with the hope that interaction would defeat fear.]]
* The child that Shepard keeps having nightmares about throughout the game [[spoiler:turns out to be the Catalyst, the controlling intelligence behind the Reapers.]] His only words to Shepard? "Everyone's dying!" [[spoiler:He's not just talking about humans, he's talking about the occasional Reaper that falls, taking millions of uploaded sapients with it.]] "You can't help me!" [[spoiler:When [[spoiler: When Shepard activates the Crucible and reaches the Catalyst, ''all Shepard can decide is how it dies!'']] And he pulls off his StealthHiBye [[spoiler:by [[spoiler: by simply cutting communications to Shepard's Reaper implants when Anderson gets Shepard's attention for a moment.]]
* Contemplating on the ending, I couldn't help but feel a little guilty that I chose [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the third option instead of the one where Shep might survive, since that'd leave Tali alone.]] But, thinking about it, the Normandy [[spoiler:crash-landed [[spoiler: crash-landed who knows how far away in the galaxy, and the Mass Relays are destroyed. So, essentially, Tali has ''no idea'' that Shep is dead, since they would have had to leave before the Citadel exploded. Chances are they won't see a resurgence of Mass Relay-level tech in her life-time. It's really a form of CruelMercy, that she'll never have to deal with that he's dead.]]
* Why was Joker trying to [[spoiler:outrace [[spoiler: outrace the Crucible's effect]]? Why did it cause [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the Normandy to crash onto a deserted garden planet with a breathable atmosphere?]] Why were [[spoiler:Tali [[spoiler: Tali and Garrus]] on it, when (at least in this troper's game) they'd been fighting alongside Shepard down on Earth? Easy. [[spoiler:Joker [[spoiler: Joker was trying to save EDI (though how he knew she was in danger, or ''why'' she would be in danger if you chose the Paragon ending is unclear), but failed to (again, ''why?''), and then died in the resulting crash. Meanwhile, Tali and Garrus were killed by Harbinger while Shepard was K.O.'ed. The garden planet he, Tali and Garrus emerge on is some version of Heaven.]] Hopefully, it has a bar where they can wait for Shepard.



* This was mentioned offhandedly above, but take a good look at [[spoiler:the Reaper that fries Shepard.]] Notice the pattern of its "eyes?" Looks sort of like the Collector General, doesn't it? If that isn't Harbinger, this troper will eat his shoe.

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* This was mentioned offhandedly above, but take a good look at [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the Reaper that fries Shepard.]] Notice the pattern of its "eyes?" Looks sort of like the Collector General, doesn't it? If that isn't Harbinger, this troper will eat his shoe.



* Considering what we learned about its translation, Shepard's pointed use of "''keelah se'lai''" ("by the homeworld I hope to see someday") to punctuate his/her attempt to convince the quarians to stand down near the end of the Rannoch mission is not just a case of appealing to them by using a phrase important to their culture, or even a reminder that they're right at the mthreshold of the homeworld it refers to. It's ''also'' a very pointed reminder to the quarians that Shepard, too, is now in a position of having to hope that s/he will get the chance to see his/her homeworld again someday.

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* Considering what we learned about its translation, Shepard's pointed use of "''keelah se'lai''" ("by the homeworld I hope to see someday") to punctuate his/her attempt to convince the quarians to stand down near the end of the Rannoch mission is not just a case of appealing to them by using a phrase important to their culture, or even a reminder that they're right at the mthreshold threshold of the homeworld it refers to. It's ''also'' a very pointed reminder to the quarians that Shepard, too, is now in a position of having to hope that s/he will get the chance to see his/her homeworld again someday.



** Secondly, [[spoiler:with all the collected knowledge of Mass Relays and Reapers and now the ability to interface with what use to be just machines on a personal level, it's possible that they could create a network of living mass relays. ]]
** Third Medical technology will be almost overnight revolutionized [[spoiler:due to all species being techno-organic.]]

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** Secondly, [[spoiler:with all the collected knowledge of Mass Relays and Reapers and now the ability to interface with what use to be just machines on a personal level, it's possible that they could create a network of living mass relays. ]]
** Third Third, Medical technology will be almost overnight revolutionized [[spoiler:due to all species being techno-organic.]]



** I always figured it was because all the races are perverts, and look for something similar in people they see. Turians don't necessarily swing towards humans, but they can find similar features in the asari. As can salarians, humans, and apparently Elcor.



** Saren was probably pissed too. But then, Saren was the type that was always angry. Shepard had been a massive pain in his ass the entire game and he was probably questioning whether he'd been indoctrinated or not.



* Geth gaining sentinence is often a concern for the Quarians, but it wasn't because of the fact they are alive. But because it is against Citadel Laws to have sentinent AI, they could have let the Geth live as sentinent machines. But with the laws of artificial intelligence. The Quarians have legitimate concern on why Geth can be sentinent, this also leads to another thing about Legion's Shadow Broker Dossier. The games it plays are not for fun like normal humans but literally training programs to make sure targeting software (FirstPersonShooter games), marco management (MMORPG games) and psyche research (Quarian Date Sim) are fully functional.

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*** Exactly. It's less of a "You will obey" command and more of a "Stop being assholes and go talk to them" command.


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** And you've been out for two years. "Just like riding a bike," hell. If you don't do something for two entire years and your entire body changes during that time, you're going to have trouble getting back into the swing of things.


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** Not to mention that Quarians are apparently far less comfortable with casual sex than humans, turians, salarians or asari, due to the suits. The maturity issues aside, Tali just wasn't comfortable enough (or brazen enough) to even consider Shepard as a possible partner.

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*** Exactly. Garrus doesn't just blame the deaths of ten of the finest men he's ever worked with on Sidonis - it's common for officers in today's military to suffer severe psychological trauma upon their units taking heavy casualties. It'd be even worse for a Turian. And on top of that, he wants revenge.



** This troper was actually laughing [[spoiler: upon seeing the Reapers coming.]] I got a sense of a communal feeling of "Oh, fuck this, let's go the long way" amongst them.



**** Plus, as far as can be told, the Reapers only [[spoiler: harvest one or two species from each cycle into new Reapers. With the massive screw-ups that have plagued this cycle, why wait until the Reapers get there to start building?]]



*** Unfortunately, my Renegade Shep had a maxed-out Renegade meter, but because I'd done a few Paragon actions as well, the scars had more or less healed, and the limit of the eyes glowing was a trio of red dots in each iris. Kind of a letdown.



*** Or he could just be drawing out the logic from what Samara tells you when you first meet her, or he could have done a bit of research into the Justicars and realised "Oh, this person could be a threat to me in the future. Better use this opportunity to remove it."

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*** Or he could just be drawing out the logic from what Samara tells you when you first meet her, or he could have done a bit of research into the Justicars and realised realized "Oh, this person could be a threat to me in the future. Better use this opportunity to remove it."



** Heck, even ''Paragon'' Shepard is slowly becoming Saren's inverse: [[spoiler:The Geth? On your side thanks to Legion. The Krogan? On your side thanks to Wrex. The Rachni? On your side thanks to the Queen you spared on Noveria. With former enemies like these, who needs friends? (Though you probably made a lot of those, too.)]]

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** Heck, even ''Paragon'' Shepard is slowly becoming Saren's inverse: [[spoiler:The [[spoiler: The Geth? On your side thanks to Legion. The Krogan? On your side thanks to Wrex. The Rachni? On your side thanks to the Queen you spared on Noveria. With former enemies like these, who needs friends? (Though you probably made a lot of those, too.)]]



** [[spoiler:And remember, Saren was in control of several research corporations. He could very well have 'leaked' Geth designs and tech. Why? Because it would be tech that he, and by extension, Nazara could control.]]

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** [[spoiler:And [[spoiler: And remember, Saren was in control of several research corporations. He could very well have 'leaked' Geth designs and tech. Why? Because it would be tech that he, and by extension, Nazara could control.]]



** Still doesn't make sense why he didn't patch it with omni-gel...unless he was keeping it as a reminder of what he regarded as a screwup. Was it just me, or did his backing himself into a corner and letting three massive mercenary groups come at him seem a bit DeathSeeker?



** When asked about the genophage in Mass Effect, Wrex asks Shepard "When was the last time you saw a Krogan scientist?" In fact, if you keep an eye out, shepard does meet quite a few people that could qualify. In Mass Effect, the Krogan supervising the breeding program on virmire is arguably a scientist, and in Mass Effect 2, Okeer (the creator of Grunt) is somewhat of a scientist as well as most of Clan Weyrloc that are undertaking tests to try and cure the genophage. While Krogan scientists aren't exactly widespread, there are a few. - Kuri

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** When asked about the genophage in Mass Effect, Wrex asks Shepard "When was the last time you saw a Krogan scientist?" In fact, if you keep an eye out, shepard does meet quite a few people that could qualify. In Mass Effect, the Krogan supervising the breeding program on virmire Virmire is arguably a scientist, and in Mass Effect 2, Okeer (the creator of Grunt) is somewhat of a scientist as well as most of Clan Weyrloc that are undertaking tests to try and cure the genophage. While Krogan scientists aren't exactly widespread, there are a few. - Kuri
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* The lovestruck Krogan and his Asari paramour. During his fits of poetry, he calls her the "Blue Rose of Ilium". Blue roses don't occur naturally, just as their relationship would not have. Blue roses are also symbolic of the unattainable and mysterious, and show desire for goals you cannot reach. They are also used to say "I can't have you, but I can't stop thinking about you." Intentionally or not, he wasn't just commenting on her skin color and beauty. He was making her into a symbol of everything he wanted but didn't think he could have.
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I\'m going to readd this, as there\'s very little in here that is seriously objectionable. I\'m going to cut out the objectionable parts that are snarky at certain elements of the fanbase, because fridge is still a personal observation. If you disagree, take it to discussion.

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* The Refusal ending actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that organics were losing the war to begin with and the Alliance were relying on the Crucible to win the war.[[spoiler: Since they didn't use the Crucible in the end, they pretty much just wasted all their resources and thus, the Reapers were able to curb stomp everyone on Earth and galactic civilization was annihilated.]] However, thanks to the efforts of a direct confrontation and Liara's effective time capsules, [[spoiler: The next cycle has a considerably easier time of it ("They fought a terrible war so we didn't have to.") and are able to defeat the reapers themselves.]]
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** Shepard is not the first to be nice to a synthetic. shepard is the first person to ever manage to complete the crucible and be so near using it. Catalyst said that any peace between organic life and synthetic life can only be for a short time before war begins, and as a V.I(as oppose to an A.I.) it is not able to see beyond that. from it's point of view, life between the two is simply ''impossible''. and you are unable to convince it otherwise. about the war, the reapers always had a dormant ship to prepare the invasion, like sovereign, who probably made sure invasion went smoothly. as it is mentioned in ME1, a normal reaper invasion is "control the mass relays and the citadel and make every race in this cycle blind", which is a ''huge'' advantage in the reaper's side. second, as garrus mentions in 3, the reapers have none of the normals weakneses most armies have. they don't need supplies and can make people into their soldiers, which garrus mentions, every new husk is 2 less soldiers in your side. the soldier who is a husk now, and the soldier who was his friend when alive. Even is a civilization was able to make a scientific jump long enough as to catch to the reapers technology, the reapers have ''too much''' advantages at their side.
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This is so unbelievably \'\'not\'\' agreed upon that its pure YMMV territory. Also seemed to be mildly snarky of \'certain elements of the fanbase\'. Time for some Cautious Editing Judgement.


* While some may complain that the Refusal Ending of the Extended Cut was simply a FU to fans from Bioware, it actually makes a bit of sense when you realize that organics were losing the war to begin with and the Alliance were relying on the Crucible to win the war.[[spoiler: Since they didn't use the Crucible in the end, they pretty much just wasted all their resources and thus, the Reapers were able to curb stomp everyone on Earth and galactic civilization was annihilated.]]
** However, thanks to the efforts of a direct confrontation and Liara's effective time capsules, [[spoiler: The next cycle has a considerably easier time of it ("They fought a terrible war so we didn't have to.") and are able to defeat the reapers themselves.]]
** In essense, [[spoiler: the Refusal Ending is both. Much of the fanbase was enraged that they didn't have the ability to refuse the Catalyst's options, but the game pointed out on numerous occasions that galactic civilization was losing badly and the Crucible was the only hope for defeating the Reapers. The Refusal DLC was the answer to all the fans shouting, "We should be able to tell the Catalyst where to stick his choices, and beat the Reapers without the Crucible!" There you go. You told him to f himself, you fought the Reapers without the Crucible, and you lost spectacularly like you've been told repeatedly is exactly what would happen. It's the inevitable result of certain elements in the fanbase's choice to ignore the plot in favor of a nonexistant GoldenEnding.]]
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*** It's revealed in [[spoiler:Leviathan just exactly which species created the AI that eventually created the first Reaper.]]

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*** It's revealed in [[spoiler:Leviathan just exactly which species created the AI that eventually created the first Reaper.]]]] Suffice to say the Reapers grew up to look like their parents.
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****** It's for the same reason Traynor has an English accent, even though she was born and raised in Horizon. It doesn't matter what planet you were born in, what matters is the people you grew up around. - ITNW1989
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*** It's revealed in [[spoiler:Leviathan just exactly which species created the AI that eventually created the first Reaper.]]
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* The Shepard VI is a amusing scene that reacts based on your paragon\renegade score. It is also a little guide to Shepard in the ending, whether s\he'll be guiding or ruthless in Control for example.
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*** During Thane's Loyalty mission, he mentions that "duct rats" (young orphans who live within the air vents of the Citadel) sometimes disappear without a trace. Combined with the above theory, and the keepers suddenly become NightmareFuel.

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*** During Thane's Loyalty mission, he mentions that "duct rats" (young orphans who live within the air vents of the Citadel) sometimes disappear without a trace. Combined with the above theory, and the keepers suddenly become NightmareFuel.horrific.
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**** Which would explain why her accent was all over the place when you first met her in the first game; she was upset and speaking her milk language rather than Flotilla Quarian.
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*** The Reapers' basic shape has been around [[spoiler:for at least 37 million years]], so the tentacles aren't something they adopted from the Protheans.

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*** The Reapers' basic shape has been around [[spoiler:for at least 37 million 1 billion years]], so the tentacles aren't something they adopted from the Protheans.



** It could be much worse than that: let's say the Keepers were the first race the Reapers wipe out. There must have been millions of Keepers damaged/killed/self-destructed during the (at least) 37 million years that the Reapings have been going on. It also isn't that much of a stretch to assume that some races harvested might have been pretty brutal, and likely killed at least some of the keepers when they first discovered them. It seems unlikely that the Citadel could hold (not to mention, conceal) enough raw biological material for millions of years of replacement - but there again, with all those millions living aboard it, nobody will notice if a few people "disappear" from time to time...

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** It could be much worse than that: let's say the Keepers were the first race the Reapers wipe out. There must have been millions of Keepers damaged/killed/self-destructed during the (at least) 37 million 1 billion years that the Reapings have been going on. It also isn't that much of a stretch to assume that some races harvested might have been pretty brutal, and likely killed at least some of the keepers when they first discovered them. It seems unlikely that the Citadel could hold (not to mention, conceal) enough raw biological material for millions of years of replacement - but there again, with all those millions living aboard it, nobody will notice if a few people "disappear" from time to time...



*** The Reapers have ''several millions of years advantage'' as technology goes. 50,000 years is ''nothing'' to them. I'm sure plenty of races over the many, many countless cycles managed to slip under the advancement threshold, and then when the Reapers came, there was absolutely no difference whatsoever because 50,000 years is a meaningless drop in the pond compared to 37 million. In the end, it's all a matter of scale.

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*** The Reapers have ''several millions of years advantage'' as technology goes. 50,000 years is ''nothing'' to them. I'm sure plenty of races over the many, many countless cycles managed to slip under the advancement threshold, and then when the Reapers came, there was absolutely no difference whatsoever because 50,000 years is a meaningless drop in the pond compared to 37 million.1 billion. In the end, it's all a matter of scale.
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** Trying to make the Krogan sufficiently infertile that they don't spew out endless numbers of troops without destroying their population is going to be very difficult at best. I'm pretty sure they tried countless possibilities and the Genophage was probably the only one that successfully hit that happy medium between population explosion and population extinction. Hell, they might have been trying to find alternatives but the turians said "screw it, we're not taking another spirits-damned moon to one of our colonies" and deployed the Genophage.

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