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* Loki being thrown into an unknown world where his powers are null, and having to be in his captor's employ... that's Thor's arc from Ragnarok. Only this time it's Loki's turn.
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* The scene about the death of Phil Coulson does not mention his later resurrection and his multiple adventures with the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. This may seem like a big omission, but it makes perfect sense: Mobius is trying to make a point, that Loki is a killer and even enjoys killing, and pointing that his intended victim lived on would not help his case. A master manipulator can easily twist those facts in the table to claim his hands are clean, and Loki is the goddam God of Mischief. And the best part is that the recording does not lie when shown as seen (Coulson was resurrected thanks to a controversial protocol, but he did die, for real), [[ExactWords it simply a half-truth]], so Mobius [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu actually scammed the God of Mischief!]].
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of [=AoS=], he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of [=AoS=], he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
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* The scene about the death of Phil Coulson does not mention his later resurrection and his multiple adventures with the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. This may seem like a big omission, but it makes perfect sense: Mobius is trying to make a point, that Loki is a killer and even enjoys killing, and pointing that his intended victim having lived on would does/should not help his case. A master manipulator can like Loki would easily twist those facts in the table his victim's survival to claim his hands are clean, and Loki is the goddam God of Mischief. clean. And the best part is that the recording does not lie when shown as seen about the event (Coulson truld died, although he was resurrected thanks to a controversial protocol, but he did die, for real), protocol), [[ExactWords it simply a half-truth]], so Mobius [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu actually scammed the God of Mischief!]].
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson,in a way.eventually. Between seasons five and six of [=AoS=], he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson,
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* The mismatched title of the show fits perfectly with the premise involving [[AlternateTimeline Alternate Timelines]]. Each letter represents a different reality.
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* The mismatched title of the show fits perfectly with the premise involving [[AlternateTimeline Alternate Timelines]]. Each letter in "Loki" represents a different reality.reality.
** It's also something of an InterfaceSpoiler hinting that multiple Lokis from different timelines are going to be involved.
** It's also something of an InterfaceSpoiler hinting that multiple Lokis from different timelines are going to be involved.
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* The title of the show fits perfectly with the premise of the show which involves [[AlternateTimeline Alternate Timelines]] with each one representing a different one.
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* The mismatched title of the show fits perfectly with the premise of the show which involves involving [[AlternateTimeline Alternate Timelines]] with each one representing Timelines]]. Each letter represents a different one.reality.
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** Not sure that that's how that works.
* Not are the Infinity Stones SoLastSeason compared to the scope of the TVA, their enforcement of the "Sacred Timeline" directly contributed to the circumstances that lead to their destruction, possibly intended to remove them as a potential snag causing further deviations.
* Not are the Infinity Stones SoLastSeason compared to the scope of the TVA, their enforcement of the "Sacred Timeline" directly contributed to the circumstances that lead to their destruction, possibly intended to remove them as a potential snag causing further deviations.
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* ''Loki'' perhaps unintentionally explains the in-universe reason of the viewers out-of-universe being able to see the MCU ([[WatsonianVersusDoylist aside from the IRL reason that, well, they're movies]]) - [[spoiler: The TVA has been recording the "Sacred Timeline" all along, and what we know as the MCU is a compilation of those recordings.]]
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** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of AoS, he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
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** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of AoS, [=AoS=], he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
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* The scene about the death of Phil Coulson does not mention his later resurrection and his multiple adventures with the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. This may seem like a big omission, but it makes perfect sense: Mobius is trying to make a point, that Loki is a killer and even enjoys killing, and pointing that his intended victim lived on would not help his case. A master manipulator can easily twist those facts in the table to claim his hands are clean, and Loki is the goddam God of Mischief. And the best part is that the recording does not lie when shown as seen (Coulson was resurrected thanks to a controversial protocol, but he did die, for real), it simply a half-truth, so Mobius [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu actually scammed the God of Mischief!]].
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* The scene about the death of Phil Coulson does not mention his later resurrection and his multiple adventures with the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. This may seem like a big omission, but it makes perfect sense: Mobius is trying to make a point, that Loki is a killer and even enjoys killing, and pointing that his intended victim lived on would not help his case. A master manipulator can easily twist those facts in the table to claim his hands are clean, and Loki is the goddam God of Mischief. And the best part is that the recording does not lie when shown as seen (Coulson was resurrected thanks to a controversial protocol, but he did die, for real), [[ExactWords it simply a half-truth, half-truth]], so Mobius [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu actually scammed the God of Mischief!]].
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of AoS, he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
** Also, you could say that Loki ''did'' kill Coulson, in a way. Between seasons five and six of AoS, he died after the Kree blood that healed the wound Loki gave him was burned up. Meaning that the wound ended killing him again, omly that it stuck this time.
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* The scene about the death of Phil Coulson does not mention his later resurrection and his multiple adventures with the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. This may seem like a big omission, but it makes perfect sense: Mobius is trying to make a point, that Loki is a killer and even enjoys killing, and pointing that his intended victim lived on would not help his case. A master manipulator can easily twist those facts in the table to claim his hands are clean, and Loki is the goddam God of Mischief. And the best part is that the recording does not lie when shown as seen (Coulson was resurrected thanks to a controversial protocol, but he did die, for real), it simply a half-truth, so Mobius [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu actually scammed the God of Mischief!]].
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* From Loki's perspective, this is the second time in less than a day that he talks about his glorious purpose and some annoying smartass asks "AndThenWhat"
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* Given the reveal that the TVA resets the diverged timelines, things dont bode well for Deke and the timeline he was left behind in the end of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.
** Unless, of course, the actions of SHIELD and the Chronicoms was part of the Sacred Timeline, which means that his timeline could possibly be left intact because it forming in the first place was part of the overarching timeline all along.
** Unless, of course, the actions of SHIELD and the Chronicoms was part of the Sacred Timeline, which means that his timeline could possibly be left intact because it forming in the first place was part of the overarching timeline all along.
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* Given the reveal that the TVA resets the diverged timelines, things dont don't bode well for Deke and the timeline he was left behind in the end of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.
** Unless, of course, the actions of SHIELD and the Chronicoms was part of the Sacred Timeline, which means that his timeline could possibly be left intact because it forming in the first place was part of the overarching timeline all along. Even so, given how gung-ho the TVA is to maintain only ''one'' timeline, it is hard not to worry for the one Deke left behind.
** Unless, of course, the actions of SHIELD and the Chronicoms was part of the Sacred Timeline, which means that his timeline could possibly be left intact because it forming in the first place was part of the overarching timeline all along. Even so, given how gung-ho the TVA is to maintain only ''one'' timeline, it is hard not to worry for the one Deke left behind.
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* The TVA has seen and recorded ''everything'' that has transpired through existence...which means that they've seen some ''seriously'' twisted atrocities unfold and some very ugly low points in the lives of just about every single named character in the MCU. No wonder Mobius and company were ''created'' for their task, as opposed to recruiting people into the TVA, any normal person would likely be traumatized beyond recovery if they were assigned to say, chronicle all of Bucky's life.
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* The TVA has seen and recorded ''everything'' that has transpired through existence...which means that they've seen some ''seriously'' twisted atrocities unfold and some very ugly low points in the lives of just about every single named character in the MCU. No wonder Mobius and company were ''created'' for their task, as opposed to recruiting people into the TVA, TVA; any normal person would likely be traumatized beyond recovery if they were assigned to say, chronicle all of Bucky's life.
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* Although it could be a joke on Ms Minutes' behalf, it's said that even a change in the timeline as small as being ''late for work'', which may or may not be in someone's control in some cases, can result in a crime against the Sacred Timeline. Pair that with the fact that people quite evidently don't know what infractions they've committed, someone could be living a completely mundane life... and then one day be sentenced to '''DEATH''' out of the blue for forgetting to tie their shoes, [[KangarooCourt with very little reasonable chance to appeal or amend their mistake.]]
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* Although it could be a joke on Ms Miss Minutes' behalf, it's said that even a change in the timeline as small as being ''late for work'', which may or may not be in someone's control in some cases, can result in a crime against the Sacred Timeline. Pair that with the fact that people quite evidently don't know what infractions they've committed, someone could be living a completely mundane life... and then one day be sentenced to '''DEATH''' out of the blue for forgetting to tie their shoes, [[KangarooCourt with very little reasonable chance to appeal or amend their mistake.]]
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** That may be how the Soul Stone functions in the comics, but we don’t know what it does in the movies. Based on available evidence, it seems the Soul Stone is more like a bridge to the afterlife rather than a SoulJar, so there is likely no unfortunate souls locked inside. When Thanos is given a vision of a young Gamora in ''Infinity War'', she’s standing by a "threshold," visually implying she is beyond Thanos at this point.
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Probably fits better to fridge horror..
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* Loki probably thinks that Thor is dead in the main timeline just like the rest of his family, since the tape ends with the explosion of the ''Statesman''.
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* Although it could be a joke on Ms Minutes' behalf, it's said that even a change in the timeline as small as being ''late for work'', which may or may not be in someone's control in some cases, can result in a crime against the Sacred Timeline. Pair that with the fact that people quite evidently don't know what infractions they've committed, someone could be living a completely mundane life... and then one day be sentenced to '''DEATH''' out of the blue for forgetting to tie their shoes, [[KangarooCourt with very little reasonable chance to appeal or amend their mistake.]]
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** Related to the above point, when Loki is apprehended by the TVA, they reset his timeline. Assuming the opening takes place in present day, does this mean that that world's Thor, Odin, Frigga, and the rest of that branch just got disolved like the trustfund kid?
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Souls - and astral projections - imply an afterlife of some sort, so dead and ceased to exist can't be assumed to be the same.
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** If the stones are powerless, it's entirely possible the souls inside are inert and effectively non-existent unless they are returned to their home timelines, meaning that Gamora/Natasha/anyone else trapped inside may very well effectively be dead...which admittedly isn't much better than the AndIMustScream scenario that would ensue ''if'' they're aware in the first place.
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** If the stones are powerless, it's entirely possible the souls inside are inert and effectively non-existent unless they are returned to their home timelines, meaning that Gamora/Natasha/anyone else trapped inside may very well effectively be dead...which admittedly isn't much better ''[[CessationOfExistence gone]]''...debatably worse than the AndIMustScream scenario that would ensue ''if'' they're aware in the first place.
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* The title of the show fits perfectly with the premise of the show which involves [[AlternateTimeline Alternate Timelines]] with each one representing a different one.
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* It makes sense that most of the confiscated Infinity Stones are Time Stones, since logically that would be the stone most likely to cause an unauthorized timeline requiring TVA intervention.
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intervention. It also retroactively explains why the stone is considered to be one of the most dangerous (not that the other five are slouches in the danger department) and why Mordo and Wong were so freaked out when Strange started screwing around with it, as it is quite likely that the TVA has either had prior dealings with the Sorcerers because of the Time Stone, or had Strange ''continued'' screwing around, the TVA would have been forced to step in and bring a premature end to Strange's debut movie.
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** If the stones are powerless, it's entirely possible the souls inside are inert and effectively non-existent unless they are returned to their home timelines, meaning that Gamora/Natasha/anyone else trapped inside may very well effectively be dead...which admittedly isn't much better than the AndIMustScream scenario that would ensue ''if'' they're aware in the first place.
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** And, of course, there's just the fact that by the very nature of their job, the TVA are essentially an extra-existential organization of stalkers who know ''everything'' about anyone who has ever existed and they can choose to view any moment in a person's life in extreme detail. Project Insight and similar concepts seen throughout the MCU seem quite amateurish by comparison.
** And, of course, there's just the fact that by the very nature of their job, the TVA are essentially an extra-existential organization of stalkers who know ''everything'' about anyone who has ever existed and they can choose to view any moment in a person's life in extreme detail. Project Insight and similar concepts seen throughout the MCU seem quite amateurish by comparison.
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* The TVA exists to protect the "Sacred Timeline", and is willing to causally kill those who threaten it. Considering that the Time Keepers are apparently [[HaveYouSeenMyGod too busy to be hands-on with their creations]], what's stopping the TVA [[WhoWatchesTheWatchmen from becoming a greater threat to the universe than they stop]], especially given how the mechanics of free will must work with them around?
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* Given the reveal that the TVA resets the diverged timelines, things dont bode well for Deke and the timeline he was left behind in the end of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.
* Where did all those Infinity Stones the TVA use as paperweights come from? Were they leftovers from that GreatOffscreenWar?
* Where did all those Infinity Stones the TVA use as paperweights come from? Were they leftovers from that GreatOffscreenWar?
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** Downplayed since the TVA erases those deviating timelines so they wouldn't be suffering for long. On the other hand, it is a bit horrifying how the TVA can erase the trillions of souls living there just because their home universe doesn't conform to the TVA's Sacred Timeline.
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** Downplayed since the TVA erases those deviating timelines so they wouldn't be suffering for long. On the other hand, it is a bit horrifying how the TVA can erase the trillions of souls living there just because their home universe doesn't conform to the TVA's Sacred Timeline.Timeline.
* Given the reveal that the TVA resets the diverged timelines, things dont bode well for Deke and the timeline he was left behind in the end of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.
* Given the reveal that the TVA resets the diverged timelines, things dont bode well for Deke and the timeline he was left behind in the end of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''.
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* Similarly, the Ancient One says without the Time Stone, the universe would be overrun with dark forces. Imagine how many timelines are suffering that fate and the one thing that could prevent it being reduced to a paperweight.
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* Similarly, the Ancient One says without the Time Stone, the universe would be overrun with dark forces. Imagine how many timelines are suffering that fate and the one thing that could prevent it being reduced to a paperweight.paperweight.
** Downplayed since the TVA erases those deviating timelines so they wouldn't be suffering for long. On the other hand, it is a bit horrifying how the TVA can erase the trillions of souls living there just because their home universe doesn't conform to the TVA's Sacred Timeline.
** Downplayed since the TVA erases those deviating timelines so they wouldn't be suffering for long. On the other hand, it is a bit horrifying how the TVA can erase the trillions of souls living there just because their home universe doesn't conform to the TVA's Sacred Timeline.
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* The Soul Stone is shown to host [[SoulJar an entire world within itself that has the person who died to exchange it within]], as seen when Thanos talks to Gamora at the end of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar''. Seeing as though there are multiple variants of the Soul Stone kept by the TVA...how many versions of Gamora, Black Widow, or some other poor sod's souls exist within the TVA?TVA?
* Similarly, the Ancient One says without the Time Stone, the universe would be overrun with dark forces. Imagine how many timelines are suffering that fate and the one thing that could prevent it being reduced to a paperweight.
* Similarly, the Ancient One says without the Time Stone, the universe would be overrun with dark forces. Imagine how many timelines are suffering that fate and the one thing that could prevent it being reduced to a paperweight.
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* The Soul Stone is shown to host [[SoulJar an entire world within itself that has the person who died to exchange it within]], as seen when Thanos talks to Gamora at the end of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar''. Seeing as though there are multiple variants of the Soul Stone kept by the TVA...how many versions of Gamora, Black Widow, or some other poor sod's souls exist within the TVA?
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