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* What if the person who is picked up has a mental disorder who is literally unaware that they have something wrong? Take someone with autism, who don't have the self-awareness skills to discover what's wrong with them. Will they be trapped on the Train solely for something that's not their fault?

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* What if the person who is picked up has a mental disorder who is literally unaware that they have something wrong? Take someone with autism, who don't have the self-awareness skills to discover what's wrong with them.would give them additional struggles that a neurologically typical person wouldn't have. Will they be trapped on the Train solely for something that's not their fault?

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* What if the person who is picked up has a mental disorder who is literally unaware that they have something wrong? Take someone with autism, who don't have the self-awareness skills to discover what's wrong with them. Will they be trapped on the Train solely for something that's not their fault?



** It's also somewhat horrifying to realise that Grace and Simon have essentially ''raised themselves''with no adults whatsoever. They would have had to deal with all the uncomfortable and weird experiences of growing up and going through puberty without anyone else.

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** It's also somewhat horrifying to realise that Grace and Simon have essentially ''raised themselves''with themselves'' with no adults whatsoever. They would have had to deal with all the uncomfortable and weird experiences of growing up and going through puberty without anyone else.



** Moreover, how many Apex members are so indoctrinated that even they will continue to refuse the idea of change because of Grace's lies? Or worse, will those members make their ''own'' New Apex cult to continue everything Grace started?

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** Moreover, how many Apex members are so indoctrinated that even they will continue to refuse the idea of change because of Grace's lies? Or worse, will those members make their ''own'' New Apex cult to continue everything Grace started?



* If there is ''any'' empathy for the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?

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* If there is ''any'' empathy for the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage.savages. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?



* It's a ''really'' good thing Hazel didn't learn what the Apex was about or met them. She would never have been able to survive as a human form and seeing all of the destruction the Apex strewn about, making her realize that Grace was a liar and wanted to turn her into a monster. Then there's the possibiility of the Apex deciding to wheel ''her'' at any given moment if she turned into her turtle form, not to mention the ramifications of Grace lying to ''them'' about being a Null supporter.

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* It's a ''really'' good thing Hazel didn't learn what the Apex was about or met them. She would never have been able to survive as a human form and seeing all of the destruction the Apex strewn about, making her realize that Grace was a liar and wanted to turn her into a monster. Then there's the possibiility possibility of the Apex deciding to wheel ''her'' at any given moment if she turned into her turtle form, not to mention the ramifications of Grace lying to ''them'' about being a Null supporter.
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* Tulip is named after a flower, and her father's nickname for her is "bud."
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* At the very end, both of Tulip's parents are not only AmicableExes, but also seem to have gotten the scheduling down. Given that the show states that it was 7 months later, but it's already time for camp again (which is an annual thing) it implies that Tulip was gone for 5 months. The two most likely went through hell looking for her, and slowly came to terms with their own faults and worked them through.
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** Makes it worse when you realize this is the same attitude she adopted when she met Tulip, which briefly caused her to freak out about her number going down as well. Tulip, fortunately, was well adjusted enough to figure out the truth on her own, but how many other kids has Samantha screwed up like this? How many kids did she indirectly drive into the arm of the Apex because she was just fucking with them?
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** Makes it worse when you realize this is the same attitude she adopted when she met Tulip, which briefly caused her to freak out about her number going down as well. Tulip, fortunately, was well adjusted enough to figure out the truth on her own, but how many other kids has Samantha screwed up like this? How many kids did she indirectly drive into the arm of the Apex because she was just fucking with them?
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**It is said by Amelia in the next Book that a car resets after a certain amount of time without any passenger interaction, as to prevent it from being unsolvable .This means that the Toad was either dragged back, or a new one was spawned in as part of the reset process.
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* Simon's KarmicDeath is meaningful on two levels. Sure, the train's wheels could easily be considered just desserts after he threw so many denizens into them. But, as Hazel said earlier, he didn't come up with the idea to wheel denizens on his own- Grace led him into it, and so the redeemed Grace saves him from the wheels, symbolically 'undoing' her mistake and giving him a chance to move on as she had. By [[RedmptionRejection rejecting her genuinely altruistic attempt to save him]], he also 'undoes' Grace's act of saving him, so he dies to the Ghom like he originally would have if she hadn't intervened.

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* Simon's KarmicDeath is meaningful on two levels. Sure, the train's wheels could easily be considered just desserts after he threw so many denizens into them. But, as Hazel said earlier, he didn't come up with the idea to wheel denizens on his own- Grace led him into it, and so the redeemed Grace saves him from the wheels, symbolically 'undoing' her mistake and giving him a chance to move on as she had. By [[RedmptionRejection [[RedemptionRejection rejecting her genuinely altruistic attempt to save him]], he also 'undoes' Grace's act of saving him, so he dies to the Ghom like he originally would have if she hadn't intervened.
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** It's also somewhat horrifying to realise that Grace and Simon have essentially ''raised themselves''with no adults whatsoever. They would have had to deal with all the uncomfortable and weird experiences of growing up and going through puberty without anyone else.
*** And now they're in charge of a bunch of other kids.
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* Simon's KarmicDeath is meaningful on two levels. Sure, the train's wheels could easily be considered just desserts after he threw so many denizens into them. But, as Hazel said earlier, he didn't come up with the idea to wheel denizens on his own- Grace led him into it, and so the redeemed Grace saves him from the wheels, symbolically 'undoing' her mistake and giving him a chance to move on as she had. By [[RedmptionRejection rejecting her genuinely altruistic attempt to save him]], he also 'undoes' Grace's act of saving him, so he dies to the Ghom like he originally would have if she hadn't intervened.
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* While the Train can provide food, shelter, water, and places to perhaps clean clothes, what if there are ''special needs'' people or those who need a specific type of medication to keep them healthy? If a diabetic is stuck there for months on end without insulin in sight, how long would they last?
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* The old man whose pod MT stole in "The Tape Car" probably had a traumatizing start to his Infinity Train journey. Not only was his pod stolen by a strange metal girl and he got scared off by Alan Dracula's tarantula-form but he's now stuck on top of the train where it is shown that other trains pass by on top and it'd be impossible for him to jump to safety. Even if he managed to get back on the train, he'd probably be apprehensive of what the train offers considering what he had experienced. Even the show's writers disagree on what happened to this man, with one insisting that he had to have died.

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* The old man whose pod MT stole in "The Tape Car" probably had a traumatizing start to his Infinity Train journey. Not only was his pod stolen by a strange metal girl and he got scared off by Alan Dracula's tarantula-form but he's now stuck on top of the train where it is shown that other trains pass by on top and it'd be impossible for him to jump to safety. Even if he managed to get back on the train, he'd probably be apprehensive of what the train offers considering what he had experienced. There's also the fact that it's implied MT threw him out of his pod before he even got his number, meaning he has no way of ever escaping the train and is bound to die on it eventually. Even the show's writers disagree on what happened to this man, with one insisting that he had to have died.
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** But on the ''other'' hand, given the types of people that could potentially make it on the train, what's to say this safety feature was a good thing? What if a passenger carried something potentially lethal like a gun or knife?

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* Grace's use of lipstick for the facial markings is kind of silly, until the flashback of the "Origami Car" reveals that she tried to doll herself up with her mother's makeup. Her mother was also wearing OperaGloves too. In a way, she's trying to be the antithesis of her neglectful controlling mother (by wearing shirts and pants instead of fancy dresses and sunhats)...but ultimately, she's not so different as she's ''controlling'' what the Apex should know about by making them believe everything she says, even if it's not 100% accurate.

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* Grace's use of lipstick for the facial markings is kind of silly, until the flashback of the "Origami Car" reveals that she tried to doll herself up with her mother's makeup. Her mother was also wearing OperaGloves classy gloves too. In a way, she's trying to be the antithesis of her neglectful controlling mother (by wearing shirts and pants instead of fancy dresses and sunhats)...but ultimately, she's not so different as she's ''controlling'' what the Apex should know about by making them believe everything she says, even if it's not 100% accurate.

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* How many people have committed suicide on the Train because they've lost all hope in figuring out what to do? How many could have been saved if Amelia made instruction videos? Amelia was only saved from suicide because of the Trian, and she repays it by forcefully taking over and presumably denying other suicidal passengers any hopes of confronting ''their'' trauams. And ''she'' gets away with her crimes and is still kicking after 30 yeas.

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* How many people have committed suicide on the Train because they've lost all hope in figuring out what to do? How many could have been saved if Amelia made instruction videos? Amelia was only saved from suicide because of the Trian, and she repays it by forcefully taking over and presumably denying other suicidal passengers any hopes of confronting ''their'' trauams. And ''she'' gets away with her crimes and is still kicking after 30 yeas.years.



* The story essentially details with the reprecussions of Amelia did during her thirty year reign. While yes, leaving people to struggle on their own and not giving a damn that saving Grace made a cult, one has to remember that this was while ''she'' was Conductor. Who knows how many cults and evil groups and other disasters have been caused back when One-One was the cold, apathetic Conductor whom Amelia tried to usurp.

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* The story series essentially details with the reprecussions of Amelia did during her thirty year reign. While yes, leaving people to struggle on their own and not giving a damn that saving Grace made a cult, one has to remember that this was while ''she'' was Conductor. Who knows how many cults and evil groups and other disasters have been caused back when One-One was the cold, apathetic Conductor whom Amelia tried to usurp.usurp.
* The Train should be lucky that Amelia only wanted to use it so she can find a way to stay in an illusion where she was with Alrick. What would happen with someone with ''less'' morals took over?
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*  One-One for all his CharacterDevelopment is still distant from the passengers, with Tulip being the exception thanks to Amelia's takeover. They haven't seen the devastation firsthand that Grace brought, and seem to think that if she wants to terrorize the denizens along with the rest of the Apex, that's her problem. One-One's explanatory videos should have been the first clue that they were barking up the wrong tree. If not? The denizens have to bear the repercussions. 
* Second, redemption and solving your problems is a choice: if you were told what to do and how to act as well as the consequences for if you fail, then your actions would have no weight to them. That is the moral deserts issue, something that came up in other shows. You have to decide to turn around and change for yourself, not because someone tells you to, as we saw when Jesse's number went down after he stopped listening to MT and found his own solution to problems. Grace establishes that she doesn't want to leave the train: she and Simon want to conquer it. If another passenger chooses to leave or a denizen escapes her wrath? Fine. There are other denizens to wheel, and more passengers to induct or "rescue" in her mind. Hazel was the first denizen that escaped Grace's control and conquering mindset, bluntly telling her that Grace was wrong; she was not a child whose number could go up, especially when they find out she's a turtle hybrid. She didn't fit in the previously-established dichotomy. What's more, Hazel asserts that the false Conductor is a better parental figure without even wanting to be one, because unlike Grace, Amelia has no desire to kill denizens ForTheEvulz. Even then, Grace wasn't ready to make that final active choice.

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* **  One-One for all his CharacterDevelopment is still distant from the passengers, with Tulip being the exception thanks to Amelia's takeover. They haven't seen the devastation firsthand that Grace brought, and seem to think that if she wants to terrorize the denizens along with the rest of the Apex, that's her problem. One-One's explanatory videos should have been the first clue that they were barking up the wrong tree. If not? The denizens have to bear the repercussions. 
* ** Second, redemption and solving your problems is a choice: if you were told what to do and how to act as well as the consequences for if you fail, then your actions would have no weight to them. That is the moral deserts issue, something that came up in other shows. You have to decide to turn around and change for yourself, not because someone tells you to, as we saw when Jesse's number went down after he stopped listening to MT and found his own solution to problems. Grace establishes that she doesn't want to leave the train: she and Simon want to conquer it. If another passenger chooses to leave or a denizen escapes her wrath? Fine. There are other denizens to wheel, and more passengers to induct or "rescue" in her mind. Hazel was the first denizen that escaped Grace's control and conquering mindset, bluntly telling her that Grace was wrong; she was not a child whose number could go up, especially when they find out she's a turtle hybrid. She didn't fit in the previously-established dichotomy. What's more, Hazel asserts that the false Conductor is a better parental figure without even wanting to be one, because unlike Grace, Amelia has no desire to kill denizens ForTheEvulz. Even then, Grace wasn't ready to make that final active choice.
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* Why would Tulip retort about having a pipe in her bag by calling it a "donut holder"? Yeah, it's a fun BrickJoke, but really think about it. Who first called said pipe a donut holer? The Cat. Who was the Steward trying to kill aside from Tulip? The Cat. Tulip is essentially telling the Conductor that this attack [[AndThisIsFor is for harming The Cat]], who Tulip now sees as a friend.

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* Why would Tulip retort about having a pipe in her bag by calling it a "donut holder"? holer"? Yeah, it's a fun BrickJoke, but really think about it. Who first called said pipe a donut holer? The Cat. Who was the Steward trying to kill aside from Tulip? The Cat. Tulip is essentially telling the Conductor that this attack [[AndThisIsFor is for harming The Cat]], who Tulip now sees as a friend.

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* Grace's use of lipstick for the facial markins is kind of silly, until the flashback of the "Origami Car" reveals that she tried to doll herself up with her mother's makeup. Her mother was also wearing OperaGloves too. In a way, she's trying to be the antithesis of her neglectful controlling mother.

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* Grace's use of lipstick for the facial markins markings is kind of silly, until the flashback of the "Origami Car" reveals that she tried to doll herself up with her mother's makeup. Her mother was also wearing OperaGloves too. In a way, she's trying to be the antithesis of her neglectful controlling mother.mother (by wearing shirts and pants instead of fancy dresses and sunhats)...but ultimately, she's not so different as she's ''controlling'' what the Apex should know about by making them believe everything she says, even if it's not 100% accurate.
** Fittingly the last thing Grace saw before the Train came to her was her father trying to take control of the situation and reject that his daughter was a thief. What does she do with Simon? She takes ''control'' of the situation and reject the idea that she has no clue what the Train is about. In a sense, she's no better than both of her parents.



* The Tragedy Mask being the SoleSurvivor of the Musical Car raid foreshadows Grace being the only survivor of the protagonists? How, you may ask? Because Grace wore a mask: physically (the gold mask with the Conductor's wavelength) and metaphorically (she pretends she's the one who holds all the clues to hide that she ''doesnt'' know).

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* The Tragedy Mask being the SoleSurvivor of the Musical Car raid foreshadows Grace being the only survivor of the protagonists? How, you may ask? Because Grace wore a mask: physically (the gold mask with the Conductor's wavelength) and metaphorically (she pretends she's the one who holds all the clues to hide that she ''doesnt'' know).''doesn't'' know). It's fitting that she wore the mask during the raid on the Unfinished Car but after she and Simon are separated from the Apex, she must work on removing ''both'' of her masks and reveal that underneath that haughty facade is a broken woman who only wants love and doesn't care who she has to trample on to get it.



* The Musical Car's destruction on everything being set on fire and turns to ash foreshadow the end of the Apex. Grace's actions made her burn bridges with ''everyone'' and Simon ends up turned into ashes by the Ghom.

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* The Musical Car's destruction on everything being set on fire and turns to ash foreshadow the end of the Apex. Grace's actions made her burn bridges with ''everyone'' and Simon ends up turned into ashes by the Ghom. Plus, after the group is done with their destruction, they decide to take a bow. The cast of a theatrical performance does this when it's the end. While this is symbolic of how they ended their raid on a bright and cheery car, it also signals that this is the last time they'll ''ever'' be truly together. By "The New Apex", there is no more of the old Apex due to the fallout between Grace and Simon and the truth that they've been going on these pointless crusades for nothing.



** What kind of pre-train life did Lucy have for her to pick staying with the two teens incompetent enough to give a girl below 10, weapons, in the first place?

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** What kind of pre-train life did Lucy have for her to pick staying with the two teens incompetent enough to give a girl below 10, weapons, 10 weapons in the first place?



* If Grace ever returns home and learns the tale of Tulip Olsen and missing reflection, what kind of horror will come upon Tulip if she learns that this sociopathic teen ''nearly killed her reflection?'' Better yet, what happens if Grace ever learns of Jesse and Lake's return home?
* If there is any empathy for the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?

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* If Grace ever returns home and learns the tale of Tulip Olsen and missing reflection, Olsen, what kind of horror will come upon Tulip if she learns that this sociopathic teen ''nearly killed her reflection?'' Better yet, what happens if Grace ever learns of Jesse and Lake's return home?
* If there is any ''any'' empathy for the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?

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** Moreover, a tragedy in Greek terms focuses on a hero with a FatalFlaw who loses everything for their dream. Grace's flaws of pride and desires to be loved made her lose ''everything'': she loses her innocence over how she's the expert. She loses her friend, Hazel and Tuba. She ends up with nothing more than the giant number representing all of her sins and nearly loses her life if she didn't have a change of heart with the origami birds.
* The Musical Car's destruction on everything being set on fire and turns to ash foreshadow the end of the Apex. Grace's actions made her burn bridges with ''everyone'' and Simon ends up turned into ashes by the Ghom.



* Even if the Apex and Grace leave the Train, they ''still'' will be haunted that at the very least they have committed mass murder for how many years and ''no one'' they know in the real world is going to believe it in the slightest.

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* Even if the Apex and Grace leave the Train, they ''still'' will be haunted that at the very least they have committed mass murder for how many years and ''no one'' they know in the real world is going to believe it in the slightest. slightest (or worse, they probably have ''met'' with numerous passengers prior who would not be grateful to see them again...)



* If there is any empathy on the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?

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* If there is any empathy on for the Monroe parents, is that they will eventually learn what happened to their daughter. The kids will most likely be freed before Grace and will probably bring up how Grace Monroe turned them into savage. How would they react, knowing that their neglect is the reason Grace vanished and became a cult leader? Would they still be ''alive'' by the time Grace returns? Would they be on the train themselves from their problems? Did they even learn anything from this at all?



* Even if the Cat didn't run away from Simon, she couldn't have stopped the Ghom. The tragedy is that [[MortonsFork either way, the Cat was unable to do anything to save him]]. If she came back to him, it ''might'' have softened the blow, but now the Cat must live the rest of her days with the fact that she is the reason Simon is a traumatized and broken boy whose family will never find out the truth.
* How many denizens did Grace encounter that ''could've'' told her the truth about the Train? Grace had to have been there for a long time to get a three digit number, so if she just ''asked'' someone, they could've pointed her to the right direction and she wouldn't have made her bluff.

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* Even if the Cat didn't run away from Simon, she couldn't have stopped the Ghom. The tragedy is that [[MortonsFork either way, the Cat was unable to do anything to save him]]. If she came back to him, him to apologize, it ''might'' have softened the blow, but now the Cat must live the rest of her days with the fact that she is the reason Simon is was a traumatized and broken boy whose family will never find out the truth.
* How many denizens did Grace encounter that ''could've'' told her the truth about the Train? Grace had to have been there for a long time to get a three digit number, so if she just ''asked'' someone, the right denizen, they could've pointed her to the right direction and she wouldn't have made her bluff.
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* King Aloysius isn't seen during the Apex raid of the Unfinished Car. Did he die offscreen? Did he die of old age? Did he die when his car got flung all the way to the caboose. Amelia doesn't even ''mention'' him to Grace and Simon either...
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* The Tragedy Mask being the SoleSurvivor of the Musical Car raid foreshadows Grace being the only survivor of the protagonists? How, you may ask? Because Grace wore a mask: physically (the gold mask with the Conductor's wavelength) and metaphorically (she pretends she's the one who holds all the clues to hide that she ''doesnt'' know).
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** The cat (Samantha) has stated in book 3 that she hasn't had a vacation in 150 years! Knowinfg that the third season takes place in summer 202o, you can confidently say that the train was around during the 1870s. A time long before modern therapy.

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** The cat (Samantha) has stated in book 3 that she hasn't had a vacation in 150 years! Knowinfg that the third season takes place in summer 202o, 2020, you can confidently say that the train was around during the 1870s. A time long before modern therapy.
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** The cat (Samantha) has stated in book 3 that she hasn't had a vacation in 150 years! Knowinfg that the third season takes place in summer 202o, you can confidently say that the train was around during the 1870s. A time long before modern therapy.
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* How many people have committed suicide on the Train because they've lost all hope in figuring out what to do? How many could have been saved if Amelia made instruction videos?

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* How many people have committed suicide on the Train because they've lost all hope in figuring out what to do? How many could have been saved if Amelia made instruction videos? Amelia was only saved from suicide because of the Trian, and she repays it by forcefully taking over and presumably denying other suicidal passengers any hopes of confronting ''their'' trauams. And ''she'' gets away with her crimes and is still kicking after 30 yeas.

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