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** Either way, though, there is very little chance that this increase in discrimination wasn't a major part of Voldemort's efforts to get the werewolves on-side, as with any means of supporting themselves in the wizarding world closed to them, werewolves would be increasingly forced to join the feral packs living outside society, whom Voldemort is explicitly trying to bring over to his side by the following year. Umbridge, and possibly Snape, are thus responsible for handing Voldemort an easily available source of followers to be won over with promises of a better life.
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* One of Gryffindor's primary values is bravery. When Seamus apologizes to Harry for not believing him, he is also demonstrating that he is brave enough to admit when he's wrong and try to make amends.
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* Harry and Ginny get together in the next book, but it is here that Rowling establishes Ginny as a worthy partner for Harry, rather than just a fangirl with a crush, using Cho as a foil. Harry has been crushing on Cho for two years, and they finally get together, but things go south rather quickly. Even aside from Cho's issues regarding Cedric or her jealousy regarding Hermione, the last straw is when Cho is dismissive of the damage Marietta did in exposing the DA and getting Dumbledore sacked. This shows that she has no understanding of what Harry's going through and is unable or unwilling to take his problems seriously and give him the support he needs. In contrast, Ginny not only understands what is going on, she proves she's more than a mere fangirl by actually getting her hands dirty and fighting alongside Harry.
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** At first we think it's his worst memory because of the Marauders humiliating him in front of the all students. [[spoiler:It's actually because it's the day his pride cost him the girl he loved.]]

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** At first we think it's his worst memory because of the Marauders humiliating him in front of all the all other students. [[spoiler:It's actually because it's the day his pride cost him the girl he loved.]]
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** At first we think it's his worst memory because of the Marauders humiliating him in front of the all students. [[spoiler:It's actually because it's the day his pride cost him the girl he loved.]]
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* Did Umbridge kill Sirius? Snape says that Voldemort can only try to hack into Harry's mind when it is most relaxed and vulnerable, such as when he's asleep. When does Voldemort lure Harry to the Department of Mysteries with the false vision? During his History of Magic O.W.L. Why was he sleepy? Because Umbridge chased off Hagrid and almost ''murdered'' [=McGonagall=], which kept the entire school up worrying and talking about it. If he hadn't have fallen asleep at that particular time, the timeline for Voldemort's trap would have shifted around and possibly failed before it could begin. Sirius would have healed Buckbeak and gotten suspicious of Kreacher if he tried it again. And Kreacher was waiting in Number Twelve, Grimmuald Place to deceive Harry when he used the Floo Network. It's not likely Voldemort or Narcissa could've told him exactly when he had to help spring the trap, unless Voldemort remembered how boring History of Magic was during his Hogwarts years. However, Fortunately, Snape implies there are other times Voldemort can send visions into Harry's head, which is proven true in ''Deathly Hallows.''
** But what if simply having to think about History of Magic relaxed Harry's mind? It's the most notoriously boring class in Hogwarts and Professor Binns doesn't appear to notice or care. If Binns had bothered to make his classes more interesting, or if he had accepted his death and allowed a new teacher to fill his post, would Harry have become more interested in History of Magic? Would Sirius be alive?
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**Along with sharing thoughts with Voldemort, a man full of rage. That can't be doing anyone's mental state any good.
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* Crosses into Fridge Horror but Remus bitterly replied “You Would” when Sirius commented on feeling bored and that he wished it was Full Moon. The Prince’s Tale confirms that Snape’s Worst Memory takes place after Sirius told Snape how to get under the Whomping Willow. Which means that Remus was likely reminded of Sirius’s “trick”. This likely fueled Sirius and Remus drifting apart, which eventually led to them suspecting each other. Sirius never expressed remorse over what he did and he doesn’t understand why Remus didn’t approve.
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* Snape says "The Dark Lord almost always knows when someone is lying to him". He says "almost" because [[spoiler: Snape himself had been doing so for years to keep his cover of being a double agent]].

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* Snape says "The Dark Lord almost always knows when someone is lying to him". He says "almost" because [[spoiler: Snape himself had been doing so lying to Voldemort about his true allegiance for years to keep his cover of being a double agent]].years]].
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* Snape says "The Dark Lord almost always knows when someone is lying to him". He says "almost" because [[spoiler: Snape himself had been doing so for years to keep his cover of being a double agent.

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* Snape says "The Dark Lord almost always knows when someone is lying to him". He says "almost" because [[spoiler: Snape himself had been doing so for years to keep his cover of being a double agent.agent]].
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* Snape says "The Dark Lord almost always knows when someone is lying to him". He says "almost" because [[spoiler: Snape himself had been doing so for years to keep his cover of being a double agent.
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** It's possible that there is a way to get in, but it's kept sealed 99% of the time to stop anyone unauthorized from mucking about.
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** Alternatively, if it had been two years before and Sirius isn't rounding, Umbridge's passing the law could have been the impetus for Dumbledore reaching out to Lupin at the beginning of [=PoA=], as Dumbledore is one of the few employers who wouldn't discriminate against him.
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** Alternatively, Umbridge's passing the law could have been the impetus for Dumbledore reaching out to Lupin, and then at the end of the year, Snape lets the cat out of the bag, thus not only ruining one of the very few chances for Lupin to have a stable job, but also making it that much harder for Lupin to find a job in future. Sure, "bravest man I've ever known."
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* Voldemort laid a curse on the school that no teacher would teach Defence Against the Dark Arts, the job he was refused, for more than a year. Harry and his classes were no exception.

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* Voldemort laid a curse on the school that no teacher would teach Defence Against the Dark Arts, the job he was refused, for more than a year. Harry and Harry, being the teacher of a private class where he would be tutoring his classes were fellow students to defend themselves, was no exception.

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* According to Sirius, Umbridge sponsored some anti-werewolf legislation "two years ago," making it almost impossible for Lupin, and presumably other werewolves, to find jobs. Now, assuming that Sirius is rounding, what happened about two years before? Snape outed Lupin as a werewolf to the entire British Wizarding World. In other words, ''Snape is directly responsible for making the lives of every werewolf in Britain miserable, just to get petty revenge.''
** Alternatively, Umbridge's passing the law could have been the impetus for Dumbledore reaching out to Lupin, and then at the end of the year, Snape lets the cat out of the bag, thus not only ruining one of the very few chances for Lupin to have a stable job, but also making it that much harder for Lupin to find a job in future. Sure, "bravest man I've ever known."



* According to Sirius, Umbridge sponsored some anti-werewolf legislation "two years ago," making it almost impossible for Lupin, and presumably other werewolves, to find jobs. Now, assuming that Sirius is rounding, what happened about two years before? Snape outed Lupin as a werewolf to the entire British Wizarding World. In other words, ''Snape is directly responsible for making the lives of every werewolf in Britain miserable, just to get petty revenge.''
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* Lupin is implied to know that not all of Fred and George's Extendable Ears were destroyed. Once a Marauder, always a Marauder...


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* According to Sirius, Umbridge sponsored some anti-werewolf legislation "two years ago," making it almost impossible for Lupin, and presumably other werewolves, to find jobs. Now, assuming that Sirius is rounding, what happened about two years before? Snape outed Lupin as a werewolf to the entire British Wizarding World. In other words, ''Snape is directly responsible for making the lives of every werewolf in Britain miserable, just to get petty revenge.''
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** Movie Dumbledore seems to have planned that, too. Voldemort has a major tactical advantage in that only a few people will even acknowledge that he's back, with the Ministry and the Daily Prophet running interference for him (inadvertently). We're meant to think Dumbledore's line of "It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom" was meant to be a PreAssKickingOneLiner, but he could just as easily be referring to the fact that by coming out of hiding, Voldemort forfeited that advantage.
* Among the students whom showed up in the Hog's Head to become Dumbledore's Army, one of them was Dennis Creevey, who was in his second year at Hogwarts. Yet Hogsmeade visits are only allowed for students in the third year and up, so he would not be allowed to go. That is, unless he used one of the secret passageways, which Hermione and possibly Fred and George probably would have let him know about so he can meet up.

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** Movie Dumbledore seems to have planned that, too. Voldemort has a major tactical advantage in that only a few people will even acknowledge that he's back, with the Ministry and the Daily Prophet running interference for him (inadvertently). We're meant to think Dumbledore's line of "It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom" was meant to be a PreAssKickingOneLiner, but he could just as easily be referring to the fact that by coming out of hiding, Voldemort forfeited that advantage.
advantage. This also leads to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of whether movie Dumbledore was going all out, or whether he just put up a good fight to feed Voldemort's ego and keep him there long enough for Fudge and co to arrive.
* Among the students whom showed up in the Hog's Head to become Dumbledore's Army, one of them was Dennis Creevey, who was in his second year at Hogwarts. Yet Hogsmeade visits are only allowed for students in the third year and up, so he would not be allowed to go. That is, unless he used one of the secret passageways, which possibly Hermione and possibly probably Fred and George probably would have let him know about so he can meet up.up with them.
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** Movie Dumbledore seems to have planned that, too. Voldemort has a major tactical advantage in that only a few people will even acknowledge that he's back, with the Ministry and the Daily Prophet running interference for him (inadvertently). We're meant to think Dumbledore's line of "It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom" was meant to be a PreAssKickingOneLiner, but he could just as easily be referring to the fact that by coming out of hiding, Voldemort forfeited that advantage.
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* During Harry's trial before the Wizengamot, Mrs. Figg is brought as a witness and describes the effects of the dementor attack, mentioning that they made her remember "dreadful things". One of them was most likely the day she learned that she was a Squib and would never be able to perform magic or attend Hogwarts. Also equally possible, she is known as 'Mrs.' Figg, signaling that she is - or at least was at one time - married. [[WidowWoman She now has several cats to keep her company, and nowhere in the story is a Mr. Figg ever mentioned...]]

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* During Harry's trial before the Wizengamot, Mrs. Figg is brought as a witness and describes the effects of the dementor attack, mentioning that they made her remember "dreadful things". One of them was most likely the day she learned that she was a Squib and would never be able to perform magic or attend Hogwarts. Also equally possible, she is known as 'Mrs.' Figg, signaling that she is - or at least was at one time - married. [[WidowWoman She now has several cats to keep her company, and nowhere in the story is a Mr. Figg ever mentioned...]]
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* It's fairly brief, but it's mentioned that Sturgis Podmore, a member of the Order of the Phoenix, got hit by an Imperius Curse from Lucius Malfoy. Not only does this mean he spent ''six months in Azkaban'' for something that wasn't his fault, but if Lucius had been smarter, he could have discovered a lot about the Order and possibly even used Sturgis to bring them down from the inside. The possibilities as to what he could have achieved with a mole are '''terrifying.'''
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* It's hard to feel sorry for Janus Thickey, who earned himself his woes. He's famous for pretending to have been eaten by a Lethifold so he could run off with his mistress, abandoning his wife and children. But the fact remains that in a hospital whose wards are named for high-profile patients, a ''long-term inpatient ward where most of the patients have spell-induced brain damage or other memory issues'' bears his name.

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* It's hard to feel sorry for Janus Thickey, who earned himself his woes. He's famous for pretending to have been eaten by a Lethifold so he could run off with his mistress, abandoning his wife and children. But the fact remains that in a hospital whose wards are named for high-profile patients, a ''long-term inpatient ward where most of the patients have spell-induced brain damage or other memory issues'' bears his name. Sounds like his wife was [[WomanScorned not happy]] when she discovered what he'd done.
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*Towards the end of the book, Harry finds the two-way communication mirror Sirius gave him for Christmas in his trunk. If he'd remembered this when he was desperate to contact him, he would probably have had a direct line to Sirius, rather than getting through to Kreacher; thus the unnecessary rescue mission to the Ministry (which lead to Sirius' death) would probably have been avoided.
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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists. When Dumbledore rescues her a few days later, she doesn't show any signs of physical injury, but she's temporarily catatonic from whatever she endured and panics at the sound of hoofbeats.

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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists. When Dumbledore rescues her a few days later, she doesn't show any signs of physical injury, but she's temporarily catatonic from whatever she endured and panics at the sound of hoofbeats. While Umbridge was [[AssholeVictim an absolute bitch]], if the Centaurs did rape her, one has to wonder if even someone as awful as she deserved it.

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