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--->'''Overgirl:''' ''to Supergirl'' Oh please, we're everything they want to be. Blonde, white. Aryan perfection...you're [[AGodAmI a god]] to them.

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--->'''Overgirl:''' ''to Supergirl'' (''to Supergirl'') Oh please, we're everything they want to be. Blonde, white. Aryan perfection...you're [[AGodAmI a god]] to them.
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** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes]]. This may also account for Leo exhibiting more CampGay behavior than his Earth-1 version. He is rebelling against one of the most homophobic regimes imaginable and likely defines himself by being exactly what the Nazis condemn.

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** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. Anti-Nazi rebel leader Winn-X is played by the Jewish Jeremy Jordan. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes]]. This may also account for Leo exhibiting more CampGay behavior than his Earth-1 version. He is rebelling against one of the most homophobic regimes imaginable and likely defines himself by being exactly what the Nazis condemn.
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** Mon-El/Oliver: A hedonistic, womanizing playboy who gradually change and mature into a weapon of justice whilst maintaining their playboy persona as a public identity.
** Felicity/Kara: A blonde, bespectacled NiceGirl who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.

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** Mon-El/Oliver: A hedonistic, womanizing playboy who gradually change changed and mature matured into a weapon of justice whilst maintaining their playboy persona as a public identity.
** Felicity/Kara: A blonde, bespectacled NiceGirl who work on in a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. cities. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note noted of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.



** Kara being Overgirl may seem odd at first, considering how she is usually so driven to help others. But, as Season 3 has repeatedly shown, Kara also has a very powerful sense of pride and of being above everyone and everything else, even with how she was raised. Earth-X would do nothing but encourage that view, meaning that instead of merely suppressing her emotions it's very easy to see how a Nazi-raised Kara could begin to see herself as an {{Ubermensch}}. In addition, Kara is basically the exact vision of the Nazi ideology's perfect being: tall, powerful, and blonde (although she does have grey-green rather than blue eyes). And while it might seem counter-intuitive that an ideology based on racial purity would accept a literal alien, historically the Nazis actually did make exceptions for non-Aryans they deemed useful or who could further their goals. Eventually stated outright by Overgirl.

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** Kara being Overgirl may seem odd at first, considering how she is usually so driven to help others. But, as Season 3 has repeatedly shown, Kara also has a very powerful sense of pride and of being above everyone and everything else, even with how she was raised. Earth-X would do nothing but encourage that view, meaning that instead of merely suppressing her emotions and becoming a protector, it's very easy to see how a Nazi-raised Kara could begin to see herself as an {{Ubermensch}}. In addition, Kara is basically the exact vision of the Nazi ideology's perfect being: tall, powerful, and blonde (although she does have grey-green rather than blue eyes). And while it might seem counter-intuitive that an ideology based on racial purity would accept a literal alien, historically the Nazis actually did make exceptions for non-Aryans they deemed useful or who could further their goals. Eventually stated outright by Overgirl.



* When [[spoiler: Nora West-Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.

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* When [[spoiler: Nora West-Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] future,]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.



* Mick responding to Snart's comment on due process with "Never heard of it" may seem like a throwaway joke or a reference to his being a convicted felon, but...in this time, in this situation, Mick was right. They were facing an invading army bent on conquest and slaughter. Due process has no place in a literal war zone. Lethal force is entirely justified and, dare say, actively encouraged, especially for those, like Mick, who don't have any way to reliably incapacitate-it's kinda hard to shoot to wound using a flamethrower. In such a situation, the only ones who can really afford to uphold the "no killing" rule are those like Barry, Kara, Frost...
* The Earth-X invaders choosing to blow their chance at stealth by attacking Barry and Iris' wedding seems a bit odd, even if they believed they could catch the heroes off-guard, but it makes a good degree of sense given just ''who'' was getting married; being Nazis, an interracial union would be a personal insult to their beliefs, which when combined with the chance to catch the heroes off-guard, was an opportunity they couldn't ignore.

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* Mick responding to Snart's comment on due process with "Never heard of it" may seem like a throwaway joke or a reference to his being a convicted felon, but...in this time, in this situation, Mick was right. They were facing an invading army bent on conquest and slaughter. Due process has no place in a literal war zone. Lethal force is entirely justified and, dare say, actively encouraged, especially for those, those like Mick, who don't have any way to reliably incapacitate-it's kinda hard to shoot to wound using a flamethrower. In such a situation, the only ones who can really afford to uphold the "no killing" rule are those like Barry, Kara, Frost...
Frost, etc.
* The Earth-X invaders choosing to blow their chance at stealth by attacking Barry and Iris' wedding seems a bit odd, even if they believed they could catch the heroes off-guard, but it makes a good degree of sense given just ''who'' was getting married; being Nazis, an interracial union would be a personal insult to their beliefs, which which, when combined with the chance to catch the heroes off-guard, was an opportunity they couldn't ignore.
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* Winn-X seems on a very short fuse during his entire encounter with the heroes, adamant about destroying the gateway between earths and nearly killing them all to keep his enemies away from his home. At first it seems puzzlesome even given its his Earth-X doppleganger, but then I realized: on Earth-38, Winn and James are best friends. If there's anything of that relationship shared by their counterparts fighting the oppressive Nazi regime, then not only did the resistance lose one of its best champions, but Winn lost a friend. No wonder he's so pissed.

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* Winn-X seems on a very short fuse during his entire encounter with the heroes, adamant about destroying the gateway between earths Earths and nearly killing them all to keep his enemies away from his home. At first it seems puzzlesome even given its it's his Earth-X doppleganger, but then I realized: on Earth-38, Winn and James are best friends. If there's anything of that relationship shared by their counterparts fighting the oppressive Nazi regime, then not only did the resistance lose one of its best champions, but Winn lost a friend. No wonder he's so pissed.



* The Earth-X invaders choosing to blow their chance at stealth by attacking Barry and Iris' wedding seems a bit odd, even if they believed they could catch the heroes off guard, but it makes a good degree of sense given just ''who'' was getting married: Being Nazis, an interracial union would be a personal insult to their beliefs, which when combined with the chance to catch the heroes off guard, was an opportunity they couldn't ignore.

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* The Earth-X invaders choosing to blow their chance at stealth by attacking Barry and Iris' wedding seems a bit odd, even if they believed they could catch the heroes off guard, off-guard, but it makes a good degree of sense given just ''who'' was getting married: Being married; being Nazis, an interracial union would be a personal insult to their beliefs, which when combined with the chance to catch the heroes off guard, off-guard, was an opportunity they couldn't ignore.
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* With the exception of James Olsen, there are no confirmed doppelgängers of any of the shows' non-white heroes/characters. Given that their world is ruled by nazis, it isn't much of a stretch to think they were executed in the name of "genetic purity".

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* With the exception of James Olsen, there are no confirmed doppelgängers of any of the shows' non-white heroes/characters. Given that their world is ruled by nazis, it isn't much of a stretch to think they or their ancestors were executed in the name of "genetic purity".
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*** There's also the idea that Superman, and by the metrics of this series Supergirl, represent the very best of the ideals they were raised with. In Prime universes, that's good old-fashioned middle American values. In a world ruled by Nazis, that's. . . well. . .
** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes.]] This may also account for Leo exhibiting more CampGay behavior than his Earth-1 version. He is rebelling against one of the most homophobic regimes imaginable and likely defines himself by being exactly what the Nazis condemn.

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*** There's also the idea that Superman, and by the metrics of this series Supergirl, represent the very best of the ideals they were raised with. In Prime universes, that's good old-fashioned middle American values. In a world ruled by Nazis, that's. . . well. . .
that's...well...
** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes.]] shoes]]. This may also account for Leo exhibiting more CampGay behavior than his Earth-1 version. He is rebelling against one of the most homophobic regimes imaginable and likely defines himself by being exactly what the Nazis condemn.



*** So do Diggle and Lyla.
* When [[spoiler: Nora West Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.
* [[spoiler:Martin being on the receiving end of {{Retirony}} instead of peaceful retirement. If Stein simply retired he would still probably be required to make sporadic appearances on ''The Flash'', since he and his family live in Central City.]] On a meta level, this wouldn't work because of [[spoiler:Creator/VictorGarber's]] decision to leave the franchise.

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*** ** So do Diggle and Lyla.
* When [[spoiler: Nora West Allen, West-Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.
* [[spoiler:Martin being on the receiving end of {{Retirony}} instead of peaceful retirement. If Stein simply retired he would still probably be required to make sporadic appearances on ''The Flash'', since he and his family live in Central City.]] On a meta level, this wouldn't work because of [[spoiler:Creator/VictorGarber's]] the actor's decision to leave the franchise.



* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis. Or perhaps he fled the planet as soon as the Nazis took over. Or, if the point of divergence isn't the Nazis winning WW2, maybe he never survived at all.

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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, Earth-X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis. Or perhaps he fled the planet as soon as the Nazis took over. Or, if the point of divergence isn't the Nazis winning WW2, maybe he never survived at all.



** Oliver probably realized how utterly, ''hilariously'' outgunned he was faced with a Kryptonian. With Barry and other metahumans he's dealt with, he and the team could come up with some method of dealing with them, but Kara was completely beyond anything Earth-1 had to offer, with no known weaknesses except alien mind-control. If he figured out there was a possibility there was a Krypton in his universe and there was no way anyone would be able to deal with them, he could very well have asked had Cisco to do some research, and Cisco might have asked Gypsy and Harry if they knew anything about Kryptonians anywhere in the multiverse, which would have led to Kryptonite.

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** Oliver probably realized how utterly, ''hilariously'' outgunned he was faced with facing a Kryptonian. With Barry and other metahumans he's dealt with, he and the team could come up with some method of dealing with them, but Kara was completely beyond anything Earth-1 had to offer, with no known weaknesses except alien mind-control. If he figured out there was a possibility there was a Krypton in his universe and there was no way anyone would be able to deal with them, he could very well have asked had Cisco to do some research, and Cisco might have asked Gypsy and Harry if they knew anything about Kryptonians anywhere in the multiverse, which would have led to Kryptonite.
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* Earth-X Winn being the resistance leader makes more sense when one considers that his actor, Jeremy Jordan, is Jewish and Jews are the minority group that Nazis persecuted and marginalized the most.
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** Felicity/Kara: A blonde, bespectacled, and {{Adorkable}} NiceGirl who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.

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** Felicity/Kara: A blonde, bespectacled, and {{Adorkable}} bespectacled NiceGirl who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.
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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis. Or perhaps he fled the planet as soon as the Nazis took over.

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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis. Or perhaps he fled the planet as soon as the Nazis took over.
over. Or, if the point of divergence isn't the Nazis winning WW2, maybe he never survived at all.
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* The Earth-X invaders choosing to blow their chance at stealth by attacking Barry and Iris' wedding seems a bit odd, even if they believed they could catch the heroes off guard, but it makes a good degree of sense given just ''who'' was getting married: Being Nazis, an interracial union would be a personal insult to their beliefs, which when combined with the chance to catch the heroes off guard, was an opportunity they couldn't ignore.
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** Mon-El/Oliver: Hedonistic, womanizing playboys who gradually change and mature into a weapon of justice
** Felicity/Kara: Blonde {{Adorkable}} NiceGirls who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.

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** Mon-El/Oliver: Hedonistic, A hedonistic, womanizing playboys playboy who gradually change and mature into a weapon of justice
justice whilst maintaining their playboy persona as a public identity.
** Felicity/Kara: Blonde A blonde, bespectacled, and {{Adorkable}} NiceGirls NiceGirl who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.
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* At first, Earth-X's Oliver and Kara being married seems odd, but if you compare the main Oliver to Kara's love interest and vice versa, it makes much more sense:
** Mon-El/Oliver: Hedonistic, womanizing playboys who gradually change and mature into a weapon of justice
** Felicity/Kara: Blonde {{Adorkable}} NiceGirls who work on a multimillion dollar company ''and'' a group of heroes who keep an eye on threats of their respective city. They even wear similar clothes while on the job, and they even note of their visual similarities in the previous crossover.
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* Mick responding to Snart's comment on due process with "Never heard of it" may seem like a throwaway joke or a reference to his being a convicted felon, but...in this time, in this situation, Mick was right. They were facing an invading army bent on conquest and slaughter. Due process has no place in a literal war zone. Lethal force is entirely justified and, dare say, actively encouraged, especially for those, like Mick, who don't have any way to reliably incapacitate-it's kinda hard to shoot to wound using a flamethrower. In such a situation, the only ones who can really afford to uphold the "no killing" rule are those like Barry, Kara, Frost...
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* When [[spoiler: Dawn Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.

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* When [[spoiler: Dawn Nora West Allen, Barry's and Iris' daughter from the future]] talks to Barry at the wedding, the Flash Leitmotif plays, hinting at their connection.
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*** There's also the idea that Superman, and by the metrics of this series Supergirl, represent the very best of the ideals they were raised with. In Prime universes, that's good old-fashioned middle American values. In a world ruled by Nazis, that's. . . well. . .
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** That's because they only had the one bomb, supplied to them by Thawne and Darkh, but didn't actually crack the formula on how to make more. Once they used their one shot on New York, the war continued conventionally. Here they invented it on their own and could use them wantonly.
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\n** The Thawne Black Flash killed was the Thawne from the pre-Flashpoint timeline. ''This'' Thawne is the one from the ''current'' one.

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\n***But when the Black Flash erased Thawne, all the other time remnants he created disappeared, too. So wouldn't that Thawne be erased as well?

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* Winn-X seems on a very short fuse during his entire encounter with the heroes, adamant about destroying the gateway between earths and nearly killing them all to keep his enemies away from his home. At first it seems puzzlesome even given its his Earth-X doppleganger, but then I realized: on Earth-19, Winn and James are best friends. If there's anything of that relationship shared by their counterparts fighting the oppressive Nazi regime, then not only did the resistance lose one of its best champions, but Winn lost a friend. No wonder he's so pissed.

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* Winn-X seems on a very short fuse during his entire encounter with the heroes, adamant about destroying the gateway between earths and nearly killing them all to keep his enemies away from his home. At first it seems puzzlesome even given its his Earth-X doppleganger, but then I realized: on Earth-19, Earth-38, Winn and James are best friends. If there's anything of that relationship shared by their counterparts fighting the oppressive Nazi regime, then not only did the resistance lose one of its best champions, but Winn lost a friend. No wonder he's so pissed.
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*** So do Diggle and Lyla.





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\n** The Thawne the Black Flash killed was from Doomworld it's possible when he went back in time he told the him that was already there to run away in case he fails.

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* Winn-X seems on a very short fuse during his entire encounter with the heroes, adamant about destroying the gateway between earths and nearly killing them all to keep his enemies away from his home. At first it seems puzzlesome even given its his Earth-X doppleganger, but then I realized: on Earth-19, Winn and James are best friends. If there's anything of that relationship shared by their counterparts fighting the oppressive Nazi regime, then not only did the resistance lose one of its best champions, but Winn lost a friend. No wonder he's so pissed.
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** Not really. That same episode also points out that the Allies still would've won the war even if New York was destroyed, it just took two years longer.
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*** Everyone in the group seems to be both familiar with Krypton the planet and Kryptonite itself. Harry mentions there's 53 Kryptons (or was since many of them likely blew up like usual) like there's 53 Earth's, and Felicity's reaction to seeing the kryptonite arrow is to ask if Oliver shot Kara suggesting she knows exactly what it is and what it does. They also seem to be aware of Superman, so clearly at some point they were filled in in the basics of how her universe operates. How exactly Oliver got it is a good question since he's never been to her earth yet, but he clearly knows the gist of how Kryptonian's work.
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* While Kara is somewhat squicked about the idea that her doppleganger is married to Oliver-X, it makes perfect sense after the denouement of last year's crossover. Felicity mentions how much she and Kara look alike, "almost like looking in a mirror." Since Felicity is Jewish, Oliver-X would never consider her counterpart worthy, but since Kara-X is there, he has she would be his type.
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* Earth-X has a noticeable dearth of metahumans; the only ones we see (the Ray and the Reverse-Flash) are both from Earth-1. Considering the strict control a fascist regime would have over the sciences, it's quite likely that the particle accelerator never exploded on their world, limiting the metahumans to individual accidents like Livewire. This also explains why they needed a dimensional gateway; they didn't have anyone with breacher powers like Vibe or Gypsy.
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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis.

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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis.
Nazis. Or perhaps he fled the planet as soon as the Nazis took over.
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* J'onn J'onzz came to earth before World War II, so in Earth X, he either escaped the white martians who killed most of his family only for his new home to be taken over by the white martians' earth equivalents, or he escaped the white martians only to be killed by Nazis.
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*** Really? Who came up with Babel Protocol for the Flash suit?
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** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes.]]

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** The heroic characters who stay heroic also make sense. James Olsen, being a black man, would never have a chance in the Nazi regime so of course he would still be raised to believe in the old American ideals. In the case of Leonard Snart, the man was a rebel by nature so when the natural order is evil, damn right he'd be [[TheCape a goody-two shoes.]]]] This may also account for Leo exhibiting more CampGay behavior than his Earth-1 version. He is rebelling against one of the most homophobic regimes imaginable and likely defines himself by being exactly what the Nazis condemn.

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