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* I always found it brilliant that Emily's soul was freed after Victor and Victoria get together. She said she'd wait until she found true love, and she found it. A couple who genuinely love and care for each other, and would do anything for the other. Yes, she wasn't the one who had the 'love' but she found it, and that's what matters.

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* I always found it brilliant that Emily's soul was freed after Victor and Victoria get together. She said she'd wait until she found true love, and she found it. A couple who genuinely love and care for each other, and would do anything for the other. Yes, she wasn't the one who had the 'love' but she found it, and that's what matters.
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!!Emily herself completely fits the "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue" custom.

* Her gown was her mother's. Something old ''and'' borrowed. Her color scheme and flowers are blue. And the ring is something new---and could ''also'' be considered borrowed, with the way the plot goes.
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* I always found it brilliant that Emily's soul was freed after Victor and Victoria get together. She said she'd wait until she found true love, and she found it. A couple who genuinely love and care for each other, and would do anything for the other. Yes, she wasn't the one who had the 'love' but she found it, and that's what matters.
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*** Though I'd say that the Everglotts were just a TINY bit better than the Van Dorts. They only married off Victoria out of necessity. They were broke, and a (possibly) miserably marriage, and annoying in laws, is certainly better than starving to death in the streets (before they know death is awesome.)By contrast, Victor's parents were mostly just Gold Diggers. Heck, Victoria's mom showed actual concern for her well-being, even if for a single sentence, before going back to her normal mood (because y'know, NO MONEY)
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** It actually subtly dips back into fridge brilliance again: almost all of the dead are either clerks of that world (the Elder), have some sort of injury (the Napolean expy, his general, and the chefs) or recognizes someone from the world of the living. They all have their own unfulfilled regrets and are likely [[HeroOfAnotherStory heroes of other stories]].
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** That's only assuming the two of them don't just disown their parents (or at least Victoria's parents, who were the worst). And since the dead can come to the land of the living, it's possible they won't push their children around for fear of revenge (since Victor at least made a few friends).

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint. Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained -- very much like the upper class.
* To take the class analogy a bit further, consider that Victor, as one of the nouveau riche, would ''literally'' be caught between the two worlds: the Van Dorts have risen above the working class, but are not yet recognized or respected as members of upper crust society (as indicated in the first half of "According To Plan").
* Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music... which is another product of working class society!
* Yes, this was a great addition to the film because it's a reversal of people depicting death as drear and monotonous when really being around the upper class here is so boring it makes you wish you were dead!

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, lively and lacking in social restraint. Even restraint; even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, stuffy and restrained -- very much like the upper class.class itself.
* ** To take the class analogy a bit further, consider that Victor, as one of the nouveau riche, would ''literally'' be caught between the two worlds: the Van Dorts have risen above the their working class, class roots, but are not yet recognized or respected as members of upper crust society (as indicated in the first half of "According To Plan").
* ** Most of the folks we meet in the Land of the Dead appear to have been either servants (cab drivers, maids, cooks, waiters, shopkeepers) or artisans (musicians) in life.
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Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music... music -- which is another ''another'' product of working class society!
* ** Yes, this was a great addition to the film because it's a reversal of people depicting death as drear and monotonous when really being around the upper class here is so boring it makes you wish you were dead!dead!



* She reached nirvana, obviously. [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory It's very Buddhist]]. She learns to let go of her desires and attains freedom and peace.
* According to IMDB, the filmmakers wanted to imply that her spirit moved on to Heaven, but went with the generic symbol of the butterfly to avoid tying it to any one religion.

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* ** She reached nirvana, obviously. [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory It's very Buddhist]]. She learns to let go of her desires and attains freedom and peace.
* ** According to IMDB, the filmmakers wanted to imply that her spirit moved on to Heaven, but went with the generic symbol of the butterfly to avoid tying it to any one religion.
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* The contrast between the grey and rinsed out Land of the living and lively and colourful Land of the dead has been frequently noted. However notice the lighting at the end- Victoria catches the Emily's bouquet, and then she and Victor stand and watch her depart. At the moment, and for the first time in the entire film, they are lit with warm tones and natural colours in the Land of the living. Not only has Emily been able to move on, she's also brought some of the energy and joy of the afterlife back to the living over the course of the plot!

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* The contrast between the grey and rinsed out Land of the living and lively and colourful Land of the dead has been frequently noted. However notice the lighting at the end- Victoria catches the Emily's bouquet, and then she and Victor stand and watch her depart. At the moment, and for the first time in the entire film, they are lit with warm tones and natural colours in the Land of the living. Not only has Emily been able to move on, she's also brought some of the energy and joy of the afterlife back to the living over the course of the plot!

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* The contrast between the grey and rinsed out Land of the living and lively and colourful Land of the dead has been frequently noted. However notice the lighting at the end- Victoria catches the Emily's bouquet, and then she and Victor stand and watch her depart. At the moment, and for the first time in the entire film, they are lit with warm tones and natural colours in the Land of the living. Not only has Emily been able to move on, she's also brought some of the energy and joy of the afterlife back to the living over the course of the plot!
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* Yes, this was a great addition to the film because it's a reversal of people depicting death as drear and monotonous when really being around the upper class here is so boring it makes you wish you were dead!
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!!The Parents
*So..in the end they got what the wanted, Victor and Victoria got married, both families are now rich and nobel, despite being egotistical petty people and using their children as tools.

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** Given how so many of the dead people seem to be living it up in the town, maybe they're just having too much fun to want to move on. If you want a happier interpretation, it's likely that more than a few were able to get any lingering regrets sorted out, when they went to the land of the living and met their loved ones again.


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** Or, on a sadder note, they might have disowned her for eloping. After all, she did steal the family jewels and some gold when she did that, and the fact that she and Barkis ''did'' elope instead of just get married indicates that her parents disapproved.

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* Bonejangle's song explains to Victor the story of the Corpse Bride. She eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her. "And he killed her." Not only that, but remember: "[He] told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight." Considering that her creep of a fiancé is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home. Or write them a single note, letting them known that she's all right.
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* Bonejangle's song explains to Victor the story of the Corpse Bride. She eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her. "And he killed her." Not only that, but remember: "[He] told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight." Considering that her creep of a fiancé is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home. Or write them a single note, letting them known know that she's all right.
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* Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music...which is another product of working class society!

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* Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music... which is another product of working class society!



* So what haunts the other dead people? What keeps them suck in the town? Why cannot they go to heaven? A lot of people seem to have a lot of issues.

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* So what haunts the other dead people? What keeps them suck stuck in the town? Why cannot they go to heaven? A lot of people seem to have a lot of issues.
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!!Endless torture for Barkis Bettern
** The FateWorseThanDeath regarding Barkis Bittern, who after unwittingly consuming poison, is now one of the dead, which conveniently removes the restriction that the dead cannot harm the living, and has an angry mob descend upon him. Made worse in that we never really do find out what they do to him. NothingIsScarier.

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!!Endless torture for Barkis Bettern
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The FateWorseThanDeath regarding Barkis Bittern, who after unwittingly consuming poison, is now one of the dead, which conveniently removes the restriction that the dead cannot harm the living, and has an angry mob descend upon him. Made worse in that we never really do find out what they do to him. NothingIsScarier.
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* ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'': After Emily transforms into a cloud of moths, moving on at last, it leaves you wondering "Why doesn't that happen to everyone? Are they stuck in that nightmarish town of the dead forever?"

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* So what haunts the other dead people? What keeps them suck in the town? Why cannot they go to heaven? A lot of people seem to have a lot of issues.
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** The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint. Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained -- very much like the upper class.
** To take the class analogy a bit further, consider that Victor, as one of the nouveau riche, would ''literally'' be caught between the two worlds: the Van Dorts have risen above the working class, but are not yet recognized or respected as members of upper crust society (as indicated in the first half of "According To Plan").
** Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music...which is another product of working class society!

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** * The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint. Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained -- very much like the upper class.
** * To take the class analogy a bit further, consider that Victor, as one of the nouveau riche, would ''literally'' be caught between the two worlds: the Van Dorts have risen above the working class, but are not yet recognized or respected as members of upper crust society (as indicated in the first half of "According To Plan").
** * Bonejangles and his musicians perform jazz-style music...which is another product of working class society!

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint.[[hottip:*: Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the upper class.

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The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint.[[hottip:*: Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much restrained -- very much like the upper class.



!!Emily is dead, and then she dies... again?



** Alternately, it leaves you wondering (as this editor did after reading a fanfic), "Wait -- did Emily actually go somewhere -- or did she just disappear into NOTHING?"
*** She reached nirvana, obviously. [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory It's very Buddhist]] - she learns to let go of her desires and attains freedom and peace.
*** According to IMDB, the filmmakers wanted to imply that her spirit moved on to Heaven, but went with the generic symbol of the butterfly to avoid tying it to any one religion.
** The FateWorseThanDeath regarding Barkis Bittern, who, [[spoiler: after unwittingly consuming poison, is now one of the dead, which conveniently removes the restriction that the dead cannot harm the living, and has an angry mob descend upon him.]] Made worse in that we never really do find out what they do to him.
*** Double on the horror when you realize that, no matter what they do to him, he's already dead. That means that (very likely) it's never going to stop.
**** Nah, after a few centuries of ColdBloodedTorture, it's highly likely that the other dead would find other things to do.
*** It gets even worse when you consider what possible reason Barkis could have for coming back for Victoria after finding out her family was broke. He was probably going to murder her.
*** After doing something [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil else...]] He ''does'' declare that she's still his wife, and therefore his.
*** Just for added Evulz, try and guess which he will do first....and how often.
**** [[ILoveTheDead In]] [[NightmareFuel this]] [[FridgeHorror setting]]!?
** I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the fact that two of the residents of the world of the dead are ''young children''.
*** It's Victorian England. Kids died a lot back then, due to such things as accidents(falling out a window), being run over by horses and diseases for which there was no proper cure or the cure was too expensive.
* Let's not forget Bonejangle's song explaining to Victor about the story of the Corpse Bride: she eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her... ''and he killed her.'' Not only that, but remember they "told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight"- so somewhere, considering that her creep of a fiance is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home...

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** * Alternately, it leaves you wondering (as this editor did after reading a fanfic), wondering: "Wait -- did Emily actually go somewhere -- or did she just disappear into NOTHING?"
*** * She reached nirvana, obviously. [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory It's very Buddhist]] - she Buddhist]]. She learns to let go of her desires and attains freedom and peace.
*** * According to IMDB, the filmmakers wanted to imply that her spirit moved on to Heaven, but went with the generic symbol of the butterfly to avoid tying it to any one religion.
religion.

!!Endless torture for Barkis Bettern
** The FateWorseThanDeath regarding Barkis Bittern, who, [[spoiler: who after unwittingly consuming poison, is now one of the dead, which conveniently removes the restriction that the dead cannot harm the living, and has an angry mob descend upon him.]] him. Made worse in that we never really do find out what they do to him.
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him. NothingIsScarier.
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Double on the horror when you realize that, no matter what they do to him, he's already dead. That means that (very likely) it's very likely never going to stop.
**** ** Nah, after a few centuries of ColdBloodedTorture, it's highly likely that the other dead would find other things to do.
*** * It gets even worse when you consider what possible reason Barkis could have for coming back for Victoria after finding out her family was broke. He was probably going to murder her.
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her. After doing something [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil else...]] He ''does'' declare that she's still his wife, and therefore his.
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his. Just for added Evulz, [[ForTheEvulz Evulz]], try and guess which he will do first....and how often.
**** [[ILoveTheDead In]] [[NightmareFuel this]] [[FridgeHorror setting]]!?
** I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the fact that two In this setting? ILoveTheDead plus NightmareFuel equals FridgeHorror squared.

!!Dead children
* Two
of the residents of the world of the dead are ''young children''.
*** ** It's Victorian England. Kids died a lot back then, due to such things as accidents(falling accidents like falling out a window), window, being run over by horses and diseases for which there was no proper cure or the cure was too expensive.
** As sad as it is, children do die.

!!Emily's family
* Let's not forget Bonejangle's song explaining explains to Victor about the story of the Corpse Bride: she Bride. She eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her... ''and her. "And he killed her.'' " Not only that, but remember they "told remember: "[He] told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight"- so somewhere, considering tight." Considering that her creep of a fiance fiancé is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home...home. Or write them a single note, letting them known that she's all right.
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* Let's not forget Bojangle's song explaining to Victor about the story of the Corpse Bride: she eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her... ''and he killed her.'' Not only that, but remember they "told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight"- so somewhere, considering that her creep of a fiance is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home...

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* Let's not forget Bojangle's Bonejangle's song explaining to Victor about the story of the Corpse Bride: she eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her... ''and he killed her.'' Not only that, but remember they "told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight"- so somewhere, considering that her creep of a fiance is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home...
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*** It's Victorian England. Kids died a lot back then, due to such things as accidents(falling out a window), being run over by horses and diseases for which there was no proper cure or the cure was too expensive.

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*** It's Victorian England. Kids died a lot back then, due to such things as accidents(falling out a window), being run over by horses and diseases for which there was no proper cure or the cure was too expensive.expensive.
*Let's not forget Bojangle's song explaining to Victor about the story of the Corpse Bride: she eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her... ''and he killed her.'' Not only that, but remember they "told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight"- so somewhere, considering that her creep of a fiance is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home...
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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian age. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]] (respectively, the upper and lower classes). The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint.[[hottip:*: even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] The World of the Living, by contrast, is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the majority of the upper class.

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian age. era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]] (respectively, the upper and lower classes)."downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint.[[hottip:*: even Even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] The By contrast, the World of the Living, by contrast, Living is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the majority of the upper class.



** Bonejangles and his band perform jazz-style music--which was another product of working class society!

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** Bonejangles and his band musicians perform jazz-style music--which was music...which is another product of working class society!
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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian age. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]] (respectively, the upper class and lower classes). The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint;[[hottip:*: even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] The World of the Living, by contrast, is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the majority of the upper class.

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian age. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]] (respectively, the upper class and lower classes). The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint;[[hottip:*: restraint.[[hottip:*: even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] The World of the Living, by contrast, is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the majority of the upper class.





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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian age. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]] (respectively, the upper class and lower classes). The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively, and lacking in social restraint;[[hottip:*: even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure).]] The World of the Living, by contrast, is drab, stuffy, and restrained--much like the majority of the upper class.
** To take the class analogy a bit further, consider that Victor, as one of the nouveau riche, would ''literally'' be caught between the two worlds: the Van Dorts have risen above the working class, but are not yet recognized or respected as members of upper crust society (as indicated in the first half of "According To Plan").

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*** According to IMDB, the filmmakers wanted to imply that her spirit moved on to Heaven, but went with the generic symbol of the butterfly to avoid tying it to any one religion.
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*** It's Victorian England. Kids died a lot back then, due to such things as accidents(falling out a window), being run over by horses and diseases for which there was no proper cure or the cure was too expensive.
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**** Nah, after a few centuries of ColdBloodedTorture, its highly likely that the other dead would find other things to do.

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**** Nah, after a few centuries of ColdBloodedTorture, its it's highly likely that the other dead would find other things to do.
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** I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the fact that two of the residents of the world of the dead are ''young children''.
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* ''Film/CorpseBride'': After Emily transforms into a cloud of moths, moving on at last, it leaves you wondering "Why doesn't that happen to everyone? Are they stuck in that nightmarish town of the dead forever?"

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* ''Film/CorpseBride'': ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'': After Emily transforms into a cloud of moths, moving on at last, it leaves you wondering "Why doesn't that happen to everyone? Are they stuck in that nightmarish town of the dead forever?"

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*** Just for added Evilz, try and guess which he will do first....and how often.

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*** Just for added Evilz, Evulz, try and guess which he will do first....and how often.often.
**** [[ILoveTheDead In]] [[NightmareFuel this]] [[FridgeHorror setting]]!?
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*** Just for added Evilz, try and guess which he will do first....and how often.
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**** Nah, after a few centuries of ColdBloodedTorture, its highly likely that the other dead would find other things to do.

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