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** Femto's conversation with [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] implies that Griffith's rise to power has been orchestrated for countless generations, his entire ancestry carefully arranged to eventually produce him, specifically, so that he would be the ideal candidate to become [[spoiler: Femto]] into the first place. For a being that exists outside of time and is the only real godlike figure in the story, that's not the fridge horror part. The fridge horror part is the fact that this not only means that the Band of the Hawk only ever existed be the cobbles of Griffith's road, it means all its soldiers, and their entire lives, were orchestrated in the same way and for the same reason. All the awful things they experience, particularly Guts and Casca's childhoods, were all just devised to be the meal that fattened Griffith for the slaughter. And the ''worst'' part? This is implied to have happened before, with Void and Skull Knight, ''who saved Guts and Casca from the Eclipse''. So much suffering, designed to explain suffering itself, just to keep escalating in a horrible, horrible upward spiral. If [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists to provide a reason for the suffering of humanity because that's what humanity needs, it's only natural that we ''want'' everything to be part of a divine plan, and the God Hand makes references to this more than once... but they never said the divine plan leads to humanity's redemption.
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* The Eclipse has a... well, ''nice'' isn't the word, but a skillful and subtle CallBack when Guts is pinned down by the Apostles: face down, one arm rendered useless and held behind his back, the other reaching desperately to attack but falling ''just barely'' short of the goal? That's the same position Donovan had him in as a child. Some people might find it diminishes Casca's trauma to say that Guts was raped alongside her in that scene, since the aftereffects and the act itself had far, far worse results for her than him, but that ''is'' the intended parallel. Watching Casca's assault and being utterly powerless to stop it is horrible, but it's that much worse for Guts because he knows exactly what's happening to her, how it feels to be betrayed and violated and all the while hoping that the only person you thought you could trust will save you... and they don't. He's not ''just'' watching his best friend commit the most vile act imaginable, he's reliving the worst moment of his life. ''That'' is why Casca tells him not to watch. She knows what's going through his mind, and that's what she does with her last act as a sane, rational woman: she tries to protect him from it in the only way she can.
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* So, after [[ScheduleSlip eight years]], they finally made it off the boat. Sounds like a reason to celebrate, right? Well, think again! They can't just stay on the island forever! Eventually, they'll have to get [[ArcFatigue right back on the boat]]!
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** Maybe, maybe not. After Guts and company chased off the trolls, the villagers voiced interest in erecting a shrine to the river spirit, so they might have the protection of a more benign entity whose presence has only gotten stronger in the wake of the calamity.
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* The village of Enoch was saved from swarms of trolls by the combined efforts of Guts' group, the Qliphoth was sealed meaning the trolls wouldn't return, and considering that this is ''Berserk'', everyone got a happy ending there, right? Well, what about [[InferredHolocaust after Femto fuses all the realms?]]

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* The village of Enoch was saved from swarms of trolls by the combined efforts of Guts' group, the Qliphoth was sealed meaning the trolls wouldn't return, and considering that this is ''Berserk'', everyone [[EarnYourHappyEnding got a happy ending there, right? right?]] Well, what about [[InferredHolocaust after Femto fuses all the realms?]]

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*** Actually, the afterlife shown in Berserk isnt Hell per se, its more similar to The Land Of the Dead seen in, say, Greek Mythology, or Norse Mythology. Its not Heaven, but it isnt FireAndBrimstoneHell either. Its a land of shadows, no more, no less.

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**** Although, if I recall correctly, the God Hand tell the Count that over time, his soul would lose its sense of self and basically just "dissolve" in the maelstrom, so it seems like Guts, when/if he gets there, would only have very recently killed Apostles wanting to re-kill him.
*** Actually, the afterlife shown in Berserk isnt isn't Hell per se, its more similar to The Land Of the Dead seen in, say, Greek Mythology, or Norse Mythology. Its not Heaven, but it isnt isn't FireAndBrimstoneHell either. Its a land of shadows, no more, no less.



* Do you think that if Guts never left the Hawks so Griffith wouldn't have slept with Charlotte, the Hawks wouldn't be outlawed and there wouldn't be any horrible things like Griffit's torture or Eclipse? Right? Wrong. Ganishka was prepearing the invasion to Berserkverse's equivalent of Europe al the time! What did the Midlanders have agains his army? Pretty standart knights and infantry. The Kushans, on the other hand had loads of sorcerers, magically enhanced SuperSoldiers and beasts. It would be eventually a CurbStompBattle for the "Europeans" if the reborn Griffith hadn't united them and hadn't made a pact with Apostles. And he couls do it only after his transformation into Femto. So basically, everyone would have died horribly and all Midland, Tudor, etc. would have been enslaved by Kushans if Griffith hadn't crossed the MoralEventHorizon. Brr...

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* Do you think that if Guts never left the Hawks so Griffith wouldn't have slept with Charlotte, the Hawks wouldn't be outlawed and there wouldn't be any horrible things like Griffit's Griffith's torture or Eclipse? Right? Wrong. Ganishka was prepearing preparing the invasion to Berserkverse's equivalent of Europe al the time! What did the Midlanders have agains his army? Pretty standart standard knights and infantry. The Kushans, on the other hand had loads of sorcerers, magically enhanced SuperSoldiers and beasts. It would be eventually a CurbStompBattle for the "Europeans" if the reborn Griffith hadn't united them and hadn't made a pact with Apostles. And he couls could do it only after his transformation into Femto. So basically, everyone would have died horribly and all Midland, Tudor, etc. would have been enslaved by Kushans if Griffith hadn't crossed the MoralEventHorizon. Brr...


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* The village of Enoch was saved from swarms of trolls by the combined efforts of Guts' group, the Qliphoth was sealed meaning the trolls wouldn't return, and considering that this is ''Berserk'', everyone got a happy ending there, right? Well, what about [[InferredHolocaust after Femto fuses all the realms?]]
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* Why are the Daka subject to TheWorfEffect even though Ganishka treats them like a hidden trump card against the apostles? Simply put, because they're not; they're a failed vanity project that consumes too many (human) resources to ever be an effective fighting force. The Daka are Ganishka's attempt to create creatures infused with evil like apostles, but whom are loyal to him. But in the end, just as the man-made Behelit needed to make them is little more than a crude imitation of what real Behelits and the God Hand are capable of, so too are the Daka. They look fearsome, they fight like animals, but they're barely stronger than regular human soldiers. They never stood a chance against a legion of real demons.

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How is any of this Fridge Horror?


* Imagine what it looks like under Guts [[EyeScream post-Eclipse right eyelid]].
** Imagine the fate of Guts severed arm after he cut it off to escape some demon who had grabbed him in its mouth refusing to let go.
** The fate of Casca and Guts had the Skull Knight not arrived to rescue them.

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* Imagine what it looks like under Guts [[EyeScream post-Eclipse right eyelid]].
** Imagine the fate of Guts severed arm after he cut it off to escape some demon who had grabbed him in its mouth refusing to let go.
** The fate of Casca and Guts had the Skull Knight not arrived to rescue them.
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** Casca's brand on the chest might represent her womanhood, and all of the persecution it entails.

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** Casca's brand on the chest might represent her womanhood, and all of the persecution it entails. And, as with Guts, her first kill was in self-defense as a child (she was 12), but her sword went through the left side of the man's chest - in the same spot as her brand.

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** Imagine the fate of Guts severed arm after he cut it off to escape some demon who had grabbed him in its mouth refusing to let go.
** The fate of Casca and Guts had the Skull Knight not arrived to rescue them.

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** During the Eclipse there's also Slan commenting on how "delicious" the whole ordeal of Griffith as Femto raping Casca is while Guts is forced to watch. She even sounds like she's having an orgasm while she talks about it. Slan being female amplifies this by a few orders of magnitude. A woman gleefully approving of another woman's rape is just the bitchiest thing imaginable.




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* Imagine what it looks like under Guts [[EyeScream post-Eclipse right eyelid]].
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* Just about everything about [[ArtifactOfDoom the Behelits]] once you read upon them. These things can, by their description, [[WindsOfDestinyChange manipulate destiny and causality itself]] to drive their selected owners into DespairEventHorizon. [[ParanoiaFuel Think about that for a second: ''Just how much of Griffith's behavior pre-Eclipse was his own free-will or the Behelit doing its thing?'' Or the people around him?]] From its description and effects on the plot, Behelits are basically [[LordOfTheRings the One Ring]] or [[AssassinsCreed the Pieces of Eden]] of Berserk-verse; at first, they seem benign, but subtly, unconsciously control people around it to make certain choices, [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness sometimes somewhat out of character]], all in order to ruin their lives. A few examples:

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* Just about everything about [[ArtifactOfDoom the Behelits]] once you read upon them. These things can, by their description, [[WindsOfDestinyChange manipulate destiny and causality itself]] to drive their selected owners into DespairEventHorizon. [[ParanoiaFuel Think about that for a second: ''Just how much of Griffith's behavior pre-Eclipse was his own free-will or the Behelit doing its thing?'' Or the people around him?]] From its description and effects on the plot, Behelits are basically [[LordOfTheRings [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings the One Ring]] or [[AssassinsCreed [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed the Pieces of Eden]] of Berserk-verse; at first, they seem benign, but subtly, unconsciously control people around it to make certain choices, [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness sometimes somewhat out of character]], all in order to ruin their lives. A few examples:
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** Now there's a chilling thought for you: the possibility that the Godhand really ''does'' have a benevolent higher purpose. Obviously it doesn't work out for everybody and horrible, horrible things happen to people all the time, but the world keeps going and life goes on, and the forces of evil that plague humanity still haven't won. It ties uncomfortably back to Femto's ascension, too: Ubik's whole argument during the Eclipse is a global-scale version of "hey, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs and ''holy shit did you break yourself some eggs'', you better make a seriously kickass omelette or it'll all go to waste!"

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* Griffith is seen as the Messiah, a being associated with light and eternal peace on Earth. Lucifer's name means "Light-Bringer," and he is seen as an angel of light which the worldly and the unbelievers would bow down to under the assumption that he is sent by God.
* [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil is essentially if God gave people what they ''wanted'' rather than what they ''needed''.]]
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** Even more about that, the Skull Knight shows some strong disapproval when Flora gives Guts the Berserker Armour, implying he has some past experience with it, and that nothing good came out of it in the end. The armour even had a skull motif before it changed its shape to fit the "form" of Guts's rage.
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* Apparently, having sex with Casca [[SexualHealing completely heals]] the massive, gaping shoulder wound that she had given Guts just moments earlier.

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* Apparently, having sex with Casca [[SexualHealing completely heals]] the massive, gaping shoulder bleeding abdominal wound that she had given Guts just moments earlier.
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** This is confirmed as of the battle of Vritannis, after the magic wore off all the Daka reverted to human forms, EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A KUSHAN. If any of them were born of captured pregnant women there would be non-kushanese Daka.
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* So, after [[ScheduleSlip eight years]], they finally made it off the boat. Sounds like a reason to celebrate, right? Well, think again! They can't just stay on the island forever! Eventually, they'll have to get [[ArcFatigue right back on the boat]]!
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* Do you think that if Guts never left the Hawks so Griffith wouldn't have slept with Charlotte, the Hawks wouldn't be outlawed and there wouldn't be any horrible things like Griffit's torture or Eclipse? Right? Wrong. Ganishka was prepearing the invasion to Berserkverse's equivalent of Europe al the time! What did the Midlanders have agains his army? Pretty standart knights and infantry. The Kushans, on the other hand had loads of sorcerers, magically enhanced SuperSoldiers and beasts. It would be eventually a CurbStompBattle for the "Europeans" if the reborn Griffith hadn't united them and hadn't made a pact with Apostles. And he couls do it only after his transformation into Femto. So basically, everyone would have died horribly and all Midland, Tudor, etc. would have been enslaved by Kushans if Griffith hadn't crossed the MoralEventHorizon. Brr...
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Nope. Both characters display empathy, even if it is buried deep in Pre-Eclipse Griffith\'s case, so neither of them can be a sociopath or psychopath by definition. Furthermore, the characterization of Guts is backwards; he has been shown to have his positive traits (such as being prone to the Because You Were Nice To Me trope) DESPITE lacking a loving family.


* Let us look at two of our main characters from a psychological perspective for a bit. I've been learning a lot about antisocial behavior from both my mother and MorganFreeman (''Through the Wormhole''), and it's pretty obvious that [[NotSoDifferent both Guts and Griffith suffer from antisocial personality disorder.]] [[RedOniBlueOni But there is a difference.]] How? Well, Guts has the signs of being a psychopath, in that he has erratic violent behavior and has trouble maintaining normal relationships. Griffith, on the other hand, also shows violent tendencies... though they're far more reserved and planned, and he looks perfectly normal in the face of the public. So technically, Griffith would have been considered a SociopathicHero back in his glory days as well, and Guts would be best described as a ''psychopathic hero''. Now, it's important to acknowledge that, as scary as it sounds, 3-4% of the population are sociopathic or psychopathic; however, not every person with this antisocial behavior is a sadistic serial killer. So where are they? Well, psychopaths have it rougher in life, since they can't hold steady jobs because they can't hold steady relationships, but sociopaths are often very successful, since they're manipulative and get people to trust them, but lack the empathy in tough decision making (so, [[FridgeHorror you can guess why some CEOs are so damn powerful]]). But one, very important factor comes into play, regarding if these individuals will take their disorder to the next level: [[ThePowerOfLove Love]] and [[ThePowerOfFriendship family.]] That's right, you can still have the mind of a killer without actually being a killer - [[NatureVersusNurture if you grow up in the right environment.]] Studies have shown that growing up with loving and supportive friends and family can halt more violent tendencies, so at the very least, sociopaths and psychopaths will be [[{{Jerkass}} giant douchebags,]] but not murderers. Looking back at Guts and Griffith, Guts had a really, ''really'' [[DarkAndTroubledPast rough backstory]] which included physical, sexual, and emotional abuse. He is signed into a profession that just breeds this type of behavior, but it's a big outlet for him and it satisfies his psychopathic tendencies, so he enjoys it on some level. [[MoralityChain But Guts' only saving grace]] is that he truly cares about the friends he managed to make and the love that he has for Casca, so he is still able to retain some level of empathy and is the reason why he doesn't go around killing anything that moves. But as we saw, when the eclipse happened, and all of those who Guts cared for were either killed or violated - well, it's understandable why he almost became a VillainProtagonist. Our man Griffith has a similar predicament: [[{{Pride}} his self-assured]], [[TheChessmaster organized]], and morally gray behavior clearly puts him in sociopathic territory, but [[MoralityPet he still cares about his comrades enough]] to not be too crazy. And tragically, as with Guts, [[DespairEventHorizon a life event]] [[FaceHeelTurn just made him snap]] [[LackOfEmpathy and lose what empathy he had.]] For more info, [[http://videos.wisegeek.com/videos/397035655.htm take a look at this vid.]]

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That\'s not Fridge Brilliance, that\'s pure fanfic. We know absolutely nothing about the Skull Knight\'s past, how he got out of his Eclipse, or if he was even in one.


* OK so we all know the Skull Knight is a badass who survived his eclipse just like Guts. But exactly how badass is he? Think about how Guts got out of his: The Skull Knight shattered the eclipse and rode in from a different dimention to snatch up Guts and Casca in the nick of time before flying back out the gaping hole he tore in un-reality.
** AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS BY HIMSELF

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* OK so we all know the Skull Knight is a badass who survived his eclipse just like Guts. But exactly how badass is he? Think about how Guts got out of his: The Skull Knight shattered the eclipse and rode in from a different dimention to snatch up Guts and Casca in the nick of time before flying back out the gaping hole he tore in un-reality.
** AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS BY HIMSELF
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* [[spoiler: Joachim is offered soup by a goat demon and by Nina to enter their crazy cult. The soup is made out of babies. The biggest horror is when it hits you that this cult regularly participates in sex orgies. Where do the babies come from? [[UpToEleven From the sex orgy.]]]]
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* The sheer thought of the Eclipse and what had happened during the event is horrible enough, but we at least think that the suffering of those who eventually succumbed to the sacrifice (usually by being eaten alive) has ended. '''WRONG.''' Di you forget that once a Behelit user sells their soul to Hell in order to gain the right to sacrifice those closest to them - that will in turn give them unholy powers - ''the sacrifices are condemned to Hell as well?'' Meaning that all of the characters that we loved and/or appreciated in the course of the Golden Age arc, Pippin, Corkus, Gaston, '''Judeau''', '''ARE ALL IN HELL'''. And unless Guts and pals do some major mojo that will [[CosmicHorrorStory undo causality itself]] ([[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow or unless Miura decides to give them a bone]] so at least ''one'' of these poor bastards will have a BittersweetEnding in the VERY least), he and Casca are going to share the same fate eventually. Dear Lord, this series...

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* The sheer thought of the Eclipse and what had happened during the event is horrible enough, but we at least think that the suffering of those who eventually succumbed to the sacrifice (usually by being eaten alive) has ended. '''WRONG.''' Di Did you forget that once a Behelit user sells their soul to Hell in order to gain the right to sacrifice those closest to them - that will in turn give them unholy powers - ''the sacrifices are condemned to Hell as well?'' Meaning that all of the characters that we loved and/or appreciated in the course of the Golden Age arc, Pippin, Corkus, Gaston, '''Judeau''', '''ARE ALL IN HELL'''. And unless Guts and pals do some major mojo that will [[CosmicHorrorStory undo causality itself]] ([[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow or unless Miura decides to give them a bone]] so at least ''one'' of these poor bastards will have a BittersweetEnding in the VERY least), he and Casca are going to share the same fate eventually. Dear Lord, this series...
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* In the movie, during the victory parade following the Battle for Doldrey, Guts is the only named character wearing a helmet. This could just be a detail the animators chose to put in - or it could be that our fearsome warrior is embarrassed with all the attention and feels the need to cover his face.

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* OK so we all know the Skull Knight is a badass who survived his eclipse just like Guts. But exactly how badass is he? Think about how Guts got out of his: The Skull Knight shattered the eclipse and rode in from a different dimention to snatch up Guts and Casca in the nick of time before flying back out the gaping hole he tore in un-reality.
**AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS BY HIMSELF
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* The Skull Knight and Void have... history, of some fashion. There's a bit of wiggle room for exactly who they were in life (there's at least some speculation that Skull Knight is, or was, Emperor Gaiseric, and we know fuck-all about Void) but it's implied that Skull Knight is a Brand of Sacrifice victim and knows way more about what it all means than anyone who didn't experience it firsthand possibly could. If it lines up the way it's suggested, Skull Knight is one of Void's sacrifices who managed to give the ceremony the slip and has been fighting for his life ever since exactly the way Guts and Casca have been. That's not the horror part. The horror part is that ''he's still somehow alive'' after ''at minimum'' 216 years, probably longer. And Guts is essentially retracing his footsteps now...
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*** This just keeps getting worse. We know because of Guts and Casca that it ''is'' possible to escape the Eclipse alive, at least for a while. Obviously survivors would be few and far between, but consider the world this takes place in and how incredibly terrible it is. After what's implied to be a thousand years, those corpses should be ''unrecognizable'', much less be visibly branded. Given the story, that's probably just a bit of artistic license, but think about it: there are stories about "angels" descending to appear to men of greatness, implied to either be the arrival of the Godhand and the commencement of the Eclipse or the ascension of a new member of the Godhand. What's stopping someone from making the connection between the Brands and the "angels" and deliberately attempting to make the Eclipse happen? We know damn well you can make sacrifices that ''will'' make you an Apostle even if you don't have the capacity to understand what you're really doing, much less just basic ignorance. With all the horrible things that happen in this CrapsackWorld, killing a few hundred people to get the attention of Heaven and plead with the divine to save the world would barely be an inconvenience, let alone an unacceptable price to pay.. or worse, what would stop someone from doing the same thing to intentionally make themselves one of the Godhand, figuring that it's better to reign in Hell?
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** And when you think about who they sacrificed, what's really horrifying is how it's implied that a bloodbath on the scale of the Eclipse happens each time a new member of the God Hand is created. They require not just one sacrifice, but hundreds! During the Eclipse, every single member of the Band of the Hawk was branded, and Griffith's body was nourished by the rivers of their blood. If you remember when Anna accidentally dropped a lantern down the shaft of the Tower of Rebirth, and the ruins of Emperor Gaiseric's empire were filled with corpses, and all of them bore the brand of sacrifice. Could it be that that's what's left over from the summoning of one of the original four, and that each one was created in such a horrible ceremony?
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** Guts' brand on the back of his neck might be a reference to where he stabbed his adoptive father Gambino in self-defense as a child.

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** Guts' brand on the back of his neck might be a reference to where he stabbed his adoptive father first kill on the battlefield at the age of nine, and his killing of Gambino in self-defense when he was 11. Both times he was thrown to the ground but stabbed his attacker in the throat as a child.they closed in.

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