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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body be easier, thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?

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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body be easier, thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?things?
* Guns and other projectile weapons apparently don't exist in this universe. There's no reason to come anywhere near an Ursa to attack it. Even a stone age bow or spear would make a huge difference.
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** Umm... More complex organisms without the ability to sense light live almost exclusively in places where light is scarce (deep sea, caverns etc.) on Earth, from this we can conclude that sight must be a huge evolutionary advantage. Also creatures with just one type of sense are exceedingly rare and even yet: Sensing pheromones is normally a subset of smell, but somehow these creatures are so [[CripplingOverspcialization overspecialized]] in it that just stopping "one" pheromone production (as opposed to all the other scents we also produce) renders people invisible to them? Why weren't these creatures hunted down already? Or better yet how can they survive without bumping into things? (Most stuff (trees, rocks etc.) doesn't produce fear pheromones. Theoretically they could mark / memorize their territory but this wouldn't work outside of it, not to mention how much work it would involve.) How do they mate? They would need to smell other things and/or have more senses to navigate, but those would also make Ghosting less effective (if not break it completely).

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** Umm... More complex organisms without the ability to sense light live almost exclusively in places where light is scarce (deep sea, caverns etc.) on Earth, from this we can conclude that sight must be a huge evolutionary advantage. Also creatures with just one type of sense are exceedingly rare and even yet: Sensing pheromones is normally a subset of smell, but somehow these creatures are so [[CripplingOverspcialization [[CripplingOverspecialization overspecialized]] in it that just stopping "one" pheromone production (as opposed to all the other scents we also produce) renders people invisible to them? Why weren't these creatures hunted down already? Or better yet how can they survive without bumping into things? (Most stuff (trees, rocks etc.) doesn't produce fear pheromones. Theoretically they could mark / memorize their territory but this wouldn't work outside of it, not to mention how much work it would involve.) How do they mate? They would need to smell other things and/or have more senses to navigate, but those would also make Ghosting less effective (if not break it completely).

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** Whose to say that the Ursa weren't created from an existing creature that was based on pheromones? There are plenty of creatures that are practically blind and have no use for eyes but rely stronger on pheromones.

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** Whose to say that the Ursa weren't created from an existing creature that was based on pheromones? There are plenty of creatures that are practically blind and have no use for eyes but rely stronger on pheromones. \\


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** Umm... More complex organisms without the ability to sense light live almost exclusively in places where light is scarce (deep sea, caverns etc.) on Earth, from this we can conclude that sight must be a huge evolutionary advantage. Also creatures with just one type of sense are exceedingly rare and even yet: Sensing pheromones is normally a subset of smell, but somehow these creatures are so [[CripplingOverspcialization overspecialized]] in it that just stopping "one" pheromone production (as opposed to all the other scents we also produce) renders people invisible to them? Why weren't these creatures hunted down already? Or better yet how can they survive without bumping into things? (Most stuff (trees, rocks etc.) doesn't produce fear pheromones. Theoretically they could mark / memorize their territory but this wouldn't work outside of it, not to mention how much work it would involve.) How do they mate? They would need to smell other things and/or have more senses to navigate, but those would also make Ghosting less effective (if not break it completely).
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* The final scene is an IronicEcho of the departure from Nova Prime, where a crippled Ranger asks to be helped to stand up so he can salute. In the first scene, Cypher proudly returns the salute, but in the final scene, he [[spoiler:gratefully accepts a hug from his son. Despite Kitai having pulled off the monumental achievement of Ghosting and killing an Ursa single-handedly.]] The brilliance is that though Ghosting led Cypher into a highly decorated military career, the inherent inhumanity of fearlessness ''severely'' fucked up his civilian life - he lost the ability to properly emote, even to his wife and son. [[spoiler:So when Kitai rejects the salute and instead hugs his father and says he'd prefer to work as a civilian with his mother, he's asking if he ''has'' to follow in his father's footsteps as a Ghost. Cypher accepting the hug means that he agrees that the cost is too great, showing that he ''will'' retire and join his family.]]
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**Whose to say that the Ursa weren't created from an existing creature that was based on pheromones? There are plenty of creatures that are practically blind and have no use for eyes but rely stronger on pheromones.
As for your point about the corpses, I think that the many lights that were on the map near the start were survivors who didn't die in the crash. Since two lights were right next to each other (Kitai and his father), there were most likely survivors who were hunted won by the Ursa then used to instill fear in any who say the corpses.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences loose in their territory.

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* %%* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences loose in their territory.



* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move a lot faster than Kitai.
** It didn't look like the probes were able to do much detailed interacting with objects. They were basically flying cameras.
* Why climb up a volcano in order to improve the signal, when the enormous ash cloud crowning it is the most likely reason the signal is so poor in the first place?
** For that matter, why does the beacon need reception at all? It's a beacon, is supposed to ''generate'' a signal. Considering how strong the signal appears to be at the end, it seems unlikely the ash cloud would stop much of it.
* If "EverythingIsTryingToKillYou" in this Earth, why would the giant eagle bring Kitai home as another hatchling under her care? And if she didn't, why would it bond with him after he dropped the bottom off her nest and thus killed her actual children?
** He didn't kill any of the eaglets himself. He made a hole in the floor of part of the nest, dropping one of those big cat things to the forest floor. Said cats are the reason those eaglets are dead, and Kitai was noticeably trying to kill the cats or at least get them to go away. Anyway, not everything is specifically trying to kill humans in particular. Earth in this case has simply become very dangerous for human habitation.
** It looked like the eagle was trying to feed Kitai to her chicks, not care for him. It was after Kitai tried to save the chicks that the eagle decided to protect Kitai.
* The fact that humans can become invisible to the Ursa when conquering fear, thus fooling the Ursa's ability to sense fear, would suggest that it can't detect humans with any other senses. Why would aliens genetically engineer a monster that kills humans, and then only give it one sense to detect them with?
** Better yet, why would they not give it eyes in the first place? Pheromone sniffing is a handy trait indeed but why not eyes also? It's like giving the Franchise/{{Predator}} only its tech supported infrared vision but not its regular non-tech supported vision.
** Also if the Ursa could only see humans if they emitted fear, how was it able to locate the corpses of the dead crewmembers and hang them up?
* Why would all the animals on Earth evolve to become to the perfect predators for humans when humans left earth? Did that happen before they left? Because that'd be like a deep sea fish adapting to survive Elephants otherwise.
** I think that Cypher just said that to scare the crap out of his son so that he would be on guard, or it's something that Cypher has been taught or believes as an urban legend. It isn't necessarily true.

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* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move a lot faster than Kitai.
** It didn't look like
Kitai. Even considering that they lacked the probes were able ability to do much detailed interacting with objects. They were basically flying cameras.
manipulate the environment, why wouldn't they have some rudimentary capabilities for that, when the humans clearly have the technological capacity for it?
* Why climb up a volcano in order to improve the signal, when the enormous ash cloud crowning it is the most likely reason the signal is so poor in the first place?
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place? For that matter, why does the beacon need reception at all? It's a beacon, is supposed to ''generate'' a signal. Considering how strong the signal appears to be at the end, it seems unlikely the ash cloud would stop much of it.
* If "EverythingIsTryingToKillYou" in this Earth, why would the giant eagle bring Kitai home as another hatchling under her care? And if she didn't, why would it bond with him after he dropped the bottom off her nest and thus killed her actual children?
** He didn't kill any of the eaglets himself. He made a hole in the floor of part of the nest, dropping one of those big cat things to the forest floor. Said cats are the reason those eaglets are dead, and Kitai was noticeably trying to kill the cats or at least get them to go away. Anyway, not everything is specifically trying to kill humans in particular. Earth in this case has simply become very dangerous for human habitation.
** It looked like the eagle was trying to feed Kitai to her chicks, not care for him. It was after Kitai tried to save the chicks that the eagle decided to protect Kitai.
* The fact that humans can become invisible to the Ursa when conquering fear, thus fooling the Ursa's ability to sense fear, would suggest that it can't detect humans with any other senses. Why would aliens genetically engineer a monster that kills humans, and then only give it one sense to detect them with?
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with? Better yet, why would they not give it eyes in the first place? Pheromone sniffing is a handy trait indeed but why not eyes also? It's like giving the Franchise/{{Predator}} only its tech supported infrared vision but not its regular non-tech supported vision.
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vision. Also, if the Ursa could only see humans if they emitted fear, how was it able to locate the corpses of the dead crewmembers and hang them up?
* Why would all the animals on Earth evolve to become to the perfect predators for humans when humans left earth? Did that happen before they left? Because that'd Otherwise, that would be like a deep sea fish adapting to survive Elephants otherwise.
** I think that Cypher just said that to scare
elephants. Even leaving aside the crap out hyperbole or ignorance of his son so that he would be on guard, or it's something that Cypher has been taught or believes as an urban legend. It isn't necessarily true.the statement by Cypher, the flora and fauna of Earth is clearly ridiculously dangerous to humans.
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** For that matter, why does the beacon need reception at all? It's a beacon, is supposed to ''generate'' a signal. Considering how strong the signal appears to be at the end, it seems unlikely the ash cloud would stop much of it.
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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because [[DramaticIrony he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was]].

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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it Maybe it's because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or '''Or''' maybe it's because [[DramaticIrony he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was]].
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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was. From an audience's point of view, DramaticIrony.

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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because [[DramaticIrony he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was. From an audience's point of view, DramaticIrony.
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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was.

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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was.
was. From an audience's point of view, DramaticIrony.
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* When Cypher asks Kitai what it was that crawled onto his hand (a ''spider''), why doesn't Kitai answer the question at all? Is it because he just doesn't care about the situation since he shook the spider off? Or maybe it's because he's never been to Earth or studied its native fauna, so he has no idea what that thing was.
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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set loose in their territory.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set loose in their territory.



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* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move alot faster than Kitai.

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* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move alot a lot faster than Kitai.
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** I think that Cypher just said that to scare the crap out of his son so that he would be on guard, or it's something that Cypher has been taught or believes as an urban legend. It isn't necessarily true.
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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body be easier thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?

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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body be easier easier, thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?
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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?

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* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body be easier thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?
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** Better yet, why would they not give it eyes in the first place? Pheromone sniffing is a handy trait indeed but why not eyes also? It's like giving the Predator only its tech supported infrared vision but not its regular non-tech supported vision.

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** Better yet, why would they not give it eyes in the first place? Pheromone sniffing is a handy trait indeed but why not eyes also? It's like giving the Predator Franchise/{{Predator}} only its tech supported infrared vision but not its regular non-tech supported vision.
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** Better yet, why would they not give it eyes in the first place? Pheromone sniffing is a handy trait indeed but why not eyes also? It's like giving the Predator only its tech supported infrared vision but not its regular non-tech supported vision.
** Also if the Ursa could only see humans if they emitted fear, how was it able to locate the corpses of the dead crewmembers and hang them up?
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* Why would all the animals on Earth evolve to become to the perfect predators for humans when humans left earth? Did that happen before they left? Because that'd be like a deep sea fish adapting to survive Elephants otherwise.

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* Why would all the animals on Earth evolve to become to the perfect predators for humans when humans left earth? Did that happen before they left? Because that'd be like a deep sea fish adapting to survive Elephants otherwise.otherwise.
* Ghosting is a process that involves conquering fear so you won't secrete pheromones and be invisible to the Ursa. Wouldn't simply wearing a hazmat suit or something similar prevent pheromones from being released from a person's body thus rendering the whole Ghosting process unnecessary? Better yet, why not just use non-pheromone emitting robots to deal with the things?
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** It looked like the eagle was trying to feed Kitai to her chicks, not care for him. It was after Kitai tried to save the chicks that the eagle decided to protect Kitai.

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** It looked like the eagle was trying to feed Kitai to her chicks, not care for him. It was after Kitai tried to save the chicks that the eagle decided to protect Kitai.Kitai.
*The fact that humans can become invisible to the Ursa when conquering fear, thus fooling the Ursa's ability to sense fear, would suggest that it can't detect humans with any other senses. Why would aliens genetically engineer a monster that kills humans, and then only give it one sense to detect them with?
*Why would all the animals on Earth evolve to become to the perfect predators for humans when humans left earth? Did that happen before they left? Because that'd be like a deep sea fish adapting to survive Elephants otherwise.
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** He didn't kill any of the eaglets himself. He made a hole in the floor of part of the nest, dropping one of those big cat things to the forest floor. Said cats are the reason those eaglets are dead, and Kitai was noticeably trying to kill the cats or at least get them to go away. Anyway, not everything is specifically trying to kill humans in particular. Earth in this case has simply become very dangerous for human habitation.

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** He didn't kill any of the eaglets himself. He made a hole in the floor of part of the nest, dropping one of those big cat things to the forest floor. Said cats are the reason those eaglets are dead, and Kitai was noticeably trying to kill the cats or at least get them to go away. Anyway, not everything is specifically trying to kill humans in particular. Earth in this case has simply become very dangerous for human habitation.habitation.
** It looked like the eagle was trying to feed Kitai to her chicks, not care for him. It was after Kitai tried to save the chicks that the eagle decided to protect Kitai.

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* According to the backstory, less than 1% of humanity managed to leave Earth before civilization collapsed. It's probably safe to assume that with a whole lot of sick, starving and/or freezing humans around without the protection of civilization, wildlife (evolving more rapidly than normal courtesy of the destroyed ozone layer/increased UV radiation) probably had several centuries' worth of humans to prey on.
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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators killed many natives if accidentally set loose in their territory.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have zero fondness for their own creators killed and would kill many natives if they were to be accidentally set loose in their territory.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than th, they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have ever been accidentally let loose in native territory and killed many of their own creators.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience other than th, [[spoiler:what they do with human corpses, for which the reasons are left to the imagination]], they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have ever been zero fondness for their own creators killed many natives if accidentally let set loose in native territory and killed many of their own creators.
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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience, they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have ever been accidentally let loose in native territory and killed many of their own creators.

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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience, sentience other than th, they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have ever been accidentally let loose in native territory and killed many of their own creators.
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* The Ursa are not a naturally evolved species. They were created by the alien natives for the explicit purpose of killing humans. The Ursa show no sign of sentience, they respond to containment with aggression, and they also kill non-human creatures. It makes audiences wonder if any Ursa have ever been accidentally let loose in native territory and killed many of their own creators.
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** It didn't look like the probes were able to do much detailed interacting with objects. They were basically flying cameras.



* If "EverythingIsTryingToKillYou" in this Earth, why would the giant eagle bring Kitai home as another hatchling under her care? And if she didn't, why would it bond with him after he dropped the bottom off her nest and thus killed her actual children?

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* If "EverythingIsTryingToKillYou" in this Earth, why would the giant eagle bring Kitai home as another hatchling under her care? And if she didn't, why would it bond with him after he dropped the bottom off her nest and thus killed her actual children?children?
** He didn't kill any of the eaglets himself. He made a hole in the floor of part of the nest, dropping one of those big cat things to the forest floor. Said cats are the reason those eaglets are dead, and Kitai was noticeably trying to kill the cats or at least get them to go away. Anyway, not everything is specifically trying to kill humans in particular. Earth in this case has simply become very dangerous for human habitation.
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* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move alot faster than Kitai.

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* Why couldn't the probes get the beacon? They could clearly move alot faster than Kitai.Kitai.
* Why climb up a volcano in order to improve the signal, when the enormous ash cloud crowning it is the most likely reason the signal is so poor in the first place?
* If "EverythingIsTryingToKillYou" in this Earth, why would the giant eagle bring Kitai home as another hatchling under her care? And if she didn't, why would it bond with him after he dropped the bottom off her nest and thus killed her actual children?
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