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** One the most frequent criticisms is despite the show's open liberal bias, the show is reliant on offensive {{stereotype}}s to the point of downright racism. Of course the show has always had them but in earlier seasons nearly all of the stereotypes mocked the idea of stereotypes far more than it did the minorities they represented. It was such a successful formula that many of the stereotypical characters were [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales widely praised by the minorities they depict]]. However over the years the writers seem to have gotten the idea that this means people like having their ethnicity and sexuality mocked and that he can indulge in racial humor and still come off as progressive. More and more recurring characters are intended to by sympathetic despite being increasingly [[EthnicScrappy flanderised stereotypes.]] This also hasn't gelled well with the show's [[WarOnStraw increased use straw characters about religious people and conservatives]], since the show depicts those stereotypes as being true. The resulting implications that the writers genuinely believe non-strait non-white people only behave a certain way has driven many fans away.

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** One the most frequent criticisms is despite the show's open liberal bias, the show is reliant on offensive {{stereotype}}s to the point of downright racism. Of course the show has always had them but in earlier seasons nearly all of the stereotypes mocked the idea of stereotypes far more than it did the minorities they represented. It was such a successful formula that many of the stereotypical characters were [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales widely praised by the minorities they depict]]. However over the years the writers seem to have gotten the idea that this means people like having their ethnicity and sexuality mocked and that he they can indulge in racial humor and still come off as progressive. More and more recurring characters are intended to by be sympathetic despite being increasingly [[EthnicScrappy flanderised stereotypes.]] This also hasn't gelled well with the show's [[WarOnStraw increased use of straw characters about religious people and conservatives]], since the show depicts those stereotypes as being true. The resulting implications that the writers genuinely believe non-strait non-straight non-white people only behave a certain way has driven many fans away.
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* ''ComicStrip/Popeye'' has a reputation for being StrictlyFormula because of the color shorts made by Famous Studios, which overused the plot everyone associates with Popeye (him and Bluto fighting over Olive Oyl and Popeye eating Spinach to defeat Bluto). While Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer invented that plot and made use of it, the cartoons made by the Fleischers were much more varied in their stories overall. Many shorts lacked spinach, Bluto or both, many more short featured Popeye and Bluto doing things besides fighting over Olive Oyl, and others still featured characters like Wimpy, Swee'Pea, Poopdeck Pappy and Eugene the Jeep to do different kinds of stories.

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* ''ComicStrip/Popeye'' ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'' has a reputation for being StrictlyFormula because of the color shorts made by Famous Studios, which overused the plot everyone associates with Popeye (him and Bluto fighting over Olive Oyl and Popeye eating Spinach to defeat Bluto). While Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer invented that plot and made use of it, the cartoons made by the Fleischers were much more varied in their stories overall. Many shorts lacked spinach, Bluto or both, many more short featured Popeye and Bluto doing things besides fighting over Olive Oyl, and others still featured characters like Wimpy, Swee'Pea, Poopdeck Pappy and Eugene the Jeep to do different kinds of stories.
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* ''ComicStrip/Popeye'' has a reputation for being StrictlyFormula because of the color shorts made by Famous Studios, which overused the plot everyone associates with Popeye (him and Bluto fighting over Olive Oyl and Popeye eating Spinach to defeat Bluto). While Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer invented that plot and made use of it, the cartoons made by the Fleischers were much more varied in their stories overall. Many shorts lacked spinach, Bluto or both, many more short featured Popeye and Bluto doing things besides fighting over Olive Oyl, and others still featured Wimpy, Swee'Pea, Poopdeck Pappy and Eugene the Jeep to do different kinds of stories.

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* ''ComicStrip/Popeye'' has a reputation for being StrictlyFormula because of the color shorts made by Famous Studios, which overused the plot everyone associates with Popeye (him and Bluto fighting over Olive Oyl and Popeye eating Spinach to defeat Bluto). While Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer invented that plot and made use of it, the cartoons made by the Fleischers were much more varied in their stories overall. Many shorts lacked spinach, Bluto or both, many more short featured Popeye and Bluto doing things besides fighting over Olive Oyl, and others still featured characters like Wimpy, Swee'Pea, Poopdeck Pappy and Eugene the Jeep to do different kinds of stories.
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** A specific instance of this was "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E23HomersEnemy Homer's Enemy]]" - it's well-remembered as one of the show's best episodes, but it also spelled trouble in that it was essentially the show finally admitting it'd lost its original premise. The original concept of the series, after all, was that the Simpsons were a more realistic family than others on TV and had to face actual problems (dysfunctionality, money troubles, an uncaring community), and "Homer's Enemy" is based on the premise that the family is seemingly-undeservedly BornLucky, and has experienced constant luxuries as a result of being cartoon characters that would make their experiences alien to a normal hardworking individual. Part of the reason it was well-received (and that the writers did it to begin with) was that it was believed the show was in its twilight years, and therefore a little LampshadeHanging of how silly the show had gotten wasn't a horrible thing. (Indeed, "Homer's Enemy" remains one of the most popular choices for FanonDiscontinuity-steeped "this is the last episode" declarations.) But then, the acknowledged premise of this episode became the show's status quo, and the series continued for another twenty seasons, leaving many viewers in a similar position to Frank Grimes.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': Princess Bubblegum's darker side was emphasized as early as Season 3, with her creation of Lemongrab being something akin to a MadScientist creation. It was well received, giving some more depth to her character. Later seasons, however, are criticised for taking this dark side and taking it to borderline sociopathic levels, with the "Bubblegum calling a bunch of wizards idiots for believing in magic" scene being TheLastStraw for many. Seaonson 7 received praise for addressing this problem through a story line in which Bubblegum's behavior ends up [[spoiler:getting her dethroned temporarily]]

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If you're watching your favorite [[WesternAnimation cartoon]] and wondering "Why isn't this as good as I remember it being?", [[FranchiseOriginalSin the reason why]] might just be greater than simple NostalgiaFilter.
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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': Princess Bubblegum's darker side was emphasized as early as Season 3, with her creation of Lemongrab being something akin to a MadScientist creation. It was well received, giving some more depth to her character. Later seasons, however, are criticised criticized for taking this dark side and taking it to borderline sociopathic levels, with the "Bubblegum calling a bunch of wizards idiots for believing in magic" scene being TheLastStraw for many. Seaonson Season 7 received praise for addressing this problem through a story line in which Bubblegum's behavior ends up [[spoiler:getting her dethroned temporarily]]



** Back when it started, the series was revolutionary when compared to [[OlderThanTheyThink other]] cynical shows centered on a dysfunctional family because it was an animated show set in ComicBookTime ''and'' with NegativeContinuity. The family could go anywhere, interact with anyone, and do anything without having to care about budget constraints, actors that wanted to leave or children that grew up. However, after 20 years that original strength has turned into its biggest constraint. Bart and Lisa [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour behave like teenagers]], but they are [[NotAllowedToGrowUp still 10 and 8 and go to the same elementary school]], so the writers can't make them face the actual teenage (or [[LongRunners young adult]]) problems they would be dealing with by now if the show was live-acted or used WebcomicTime; Marge and Homer have gone through countless marriage crises and been thrown into jail countless times, but they have to go back home together at the end; Maggie feels more like a prop than a character in most episodes because the writers can't think of new plotlines starring a baby, etc. As a result, the show has become stalled and boring.

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** Back when it started, the series was revolutionary when compared to [[OlderThanTheyThink other]] cynical shows centered on a dysfunctional family because it was an animated show set in ComicBookTime ''and'' with NegativeContinuity. The family could go anywhere, interact with anyone, and do anything without having to care about budget constraints, actors that wanted to leave or children that grew up. However, after 20 years that original strength has turned into its biggest constraint. Bart and Lisa [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour behave like teenagers]], but they are [[NotAllowedToGrowUp still 10 and 8 and go to the same elementary school]], so the writers can't make them face the actual teenage (or [[LongRunners young adult]]) problems they would be dealing with by now if the show was live-acted or used WebcomicTime; Marge and Homer have gone through countless marriage crises and been thrown into jail countless times, but they have to go back home together at the end; Maggie feels more like a prop than a character in most episodes because the writers can't think of new plotlines plot-lines starring a baby, etc. As a result, the show has become stalled and boring.boring.
** The blog Blog/DeadHomersSociety [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and exhaustion of fresh story-lines to turnover on the writing staff, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary {{sitcom}} {{tropes}} and {{cliche}}s that, until then, [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis it eschewed or mocked]]. Examples cited include "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]", a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]" which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted ZanyScheme by Homer to resolve the plot; "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]", which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.



** The CouchGag was one of the show's most beloved elements from the start for providing new jokes and weird imagery, but on occasion, as early as Season 4, it was used to stretch a rather light episode out. In particular, the "circus" couch gag was explicitly created to pad the runtime, being twenty-three seconds (not counting the rest of the opening), and showing up in a total of eight episodes. One episode (which, to be fair, was a ClipShow) played ''twelve'' couch gags in succession, including the circus gag, taking up a whole minute of screentime. The thing was, back then, long couch gags were rare; aside from the above two and not counting the changed credits for ''Treehouse of Horror'', not one CouchGag in the first eight seasons went over fifteen seconds, and most lasted about four. It was, after all, a ''gag'' -- a quick joke. By the later seasons, though, long couch gags started to show up [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3x3d more and more often]], with the show breaking its own record multiple times, and post-Season 20 or so, a twenty-three-second couch gag likely wouldn't even be in the top half. The show even turned the gag into something of a [[DancingBear publicity stunt,]] doing things like hiring other animators or making [[WereStillRelevantDammit extended references to other shows airing]]. Making things even worse was the shift to a four-act structure and episodes getting noticeably shorter in runtime to squeeze in more ads, meaning that on top of being longer, the extended couch gags were now eating up larger portions of the episodes. It's estimated that some episodes would, with their opening sequences removed, be about six minutes shorter than their older counterparts.

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** The CouchGag was one of the show's most beloved elements from the start for providing new jokes and weird imagery, but on occasion, as early as Season 4, it was used to stretch a rather light episode out. In particular, the "circus" couch gag was explicitly created to pad the runtime, run-time, being twenty-three seconds (not counting the rest of the opening), and showing up in a total of eight episodes. One episode (which, to be fair, was a ClipShow) played ''twelve'' couch gags in succession, including the circus gag, taking up a whole minute of screentime.screen-time. The thing was, back then, long couch gags were rare; aside from the above two and not counting the changed credits for ''Treehouse of Horror'', not one CouchGag in the first eight seasons went over fifteen seconds, and most lasted about four. It was, after all, a ''gag'' -- a quick joke. By the later seasons, though, long couch gags started to show up [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3x3d more and more often]], with the show breaking its own record multiple times, and post-Season 20 or so, a twenty-three-second couch gag likely wouldn't even be in the top half. The show even turned the gag into something of a [[DancingBear publicity stunt,]] doing things like hiring other animators or making [[WereStillRelevantDammit extended references to other shows airing]]. Making things even worse was the shift to a four-act structure and episodes getting noticeably shorter in runtime run-time to squeeze in more ads, meaning that on top of being longer, the extended couch gags were now eating up larger portions of the episodes. It's estimated that some episodes would, with their opening sequences removed, be about six minutes shorter than their older counterparts.



** Many people dislike the show's recent tendency to focus heavily on liberal social/political issues. Thing is, the show had episodes like this back in the Golden Age episodes, like "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E5LisaTheVegetarian Lisa the Vegetarian]]" and "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E15HomersPhobia Homer's Phobia]]". The main difference is, in the older episodes it felt as if the writers truly cared about the issues in question, and in episodes such as "The Cartridge Family" and "Itchy & Scratchy & Marge", [[BothSidesHaveAPoint would present the whole thing as at least a bit nuanced.]] Nowadays, it seems like the show only cares about liberal issues to appear progressive and frequently [[DontShootTheMessage ends up bungling that]] (including a notorious episode where Homer becomes a gay marriage minister, which indulges gay stereotypes heavily and ends with a {{transgender}} woman being humiliatingly outed).
** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.

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** Many people dislike the show's recent tendency to focus heavily on liberal social/political issues. Thing is, the show had episodes like this back in the Golden Age episodes, like "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E5LisaTheVegetarian Lisa the Vegetarian]]" and "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E15HomersPhobia Homer's Phobia]]". The main difference is, in the older episodes it felt as if the writers truly cared about the issues in question, and in episodes such as "The "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E5TheCartridgeFamily The Cartridge Family" Family]]" and "Itchy "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E9ItchyAndScratchyAndMarge Itchy & Scratchy & Marge", Marge]]", [[BothSidesHaveAPoint would present the whole thing as at least a bit nuanced.]] Nowadays, it seems like the show only cares about liberal issues to appear progressive and frequently [[DontShootTheMessage ends up bungling that]] (including a the notorious episode where Homer becomes a gay marriage minister, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E10TheresSomethingAboutMarrying There's Something About Marrying]]", which indulges gay stereotypes heavily and ends with a {{transgender}} woman being humiliatingly outed).
** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.
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** A common complaint about modern day episodes is the tendency to overhype regular episodes as huge specials. This trend started back during seasons 2 and 3 of the show, which is often considered to be during the show's golden age, with episodes such as [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS3E11PartyPooperPants "Party Pooper Pants"]] (which would have been standard length were it not for the [[{{Padding}} Patchy segments]]) and [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS2E33ShanghaiedGaryTakesABath "Shanghaied"]] (whose [[MultipleEndings gimmick]] only worked the very first time it aired). It wasn't until the first such "special" to air after TheMovie, [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS4E20BestDayEverTheGiftOfGum "Best Day Ever"]], that fans started complaining, as it took a 24 hour marathon of the most beloved episodes of the series, as well as the movie, to advertise an ''11 minute episode'' that quickly became hated.
** The show's oft-criticized descent into [[GrossOutShow gross-out humor]] and GettingCrapPastTheRadar started as early as season 2, with [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS2E2SomethingSmellsBossyBoots "Something Smells"]] revolving entirely around the joke that [=SpongeBob's=] breath stinks and he doesn't realize it. Typically though, it would be limited to one or two {{Cutaway Gag}}s per episode, whereas later seasons feature ''whole episodes'' centered around [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS6E5TheSplinterSlideWhistleStooges SpongeBob getting a splinter]] or [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS5E3RiseandShineWaitingFungusAmongUs contracting a fungal infection]]. Many have pointed out how the main problem stemmed from the writers attempting to emulate the style of episodes from Stephen Hillenburg's first tenure as showrunner without proper knowledge as to how he was able to make it work.

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** A common complaint about modern day episodes is the tendency to overhype over-hype regular episodes as huge specials. This trend started back during seasons 2 and 3 of the show, which is often considered to be during the show's golden age, with episodes such as [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS3E11PartyPooperPants "Party Pooper Pants"]] (which would have been standard length were it not for the [[{{Padding}} Patchy segments]]) and [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS2E33ShanghaiedGaryTakesABath "Shanghaied"]] (whose [[MultipleEndings gimmick]] only worked the very first time it aired). It wasn't until the first such "special" to air after TheMovie, [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS4E20BestDayEverTheGiftOfGum "Best Day Ever"]], that fans started complaining, as it took a 24 hour marathon of the most beloved episodes of the series, as well as the movie, to advertise an ''11 minute episode'' that quickly became hated.
** The show's oft-criticized descent into [[GrossOutShow gross-out humor]] and GettingCrapPastTheRadar started as early as season 2, with [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS2E2SomethingSmellsBossyBoots "Something Smells"]] revolving entirely around the joke that [=SpongeBob's=] breath stinks and he doesn't realize it. Typically though, it would be limited to one or two {{Cutaway Gag}}s per episode, whereas later seasons feature ''whole episodes'' centered around [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS6E5TheSplinterSlideWhistleStooges SpongeBob getting a splinter]] or [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS5E3RiseandShineWaitingFungusAmongUs contracting a fungal infection]]. Many have pointed out how the main problem stemmed from the writers attempting to emulate the style of episodes from Stephen Hillenburg's first tenure as showrunner show-runner without proper knowledge as to how he was able to make it work.work.
** Stephen Hillenburg himself compared Spongebob and Squidward's dynamic to that of ComicStrip/DennisTheMenace [[CrankyNeighbor and Mr. Wilson]], but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYu7Y52iiYI as EmpLemon explains]], what made this dichotomy work was its relation to the world around them. Both Spongebob and Squidward had the same cruddy lot in life, but while Squidward was surly, pessimistic, and self-important (making his misery equal parts relatable and somewhat self-inflicted), Spongebob faced the day with bright-eyed optimism and positivity (making his childlike nature endearing in a "BeYourself" kind of way). The show's DorkAge retains the surface elements of their dynamic, but forgot the context; Spongebob was little more than a hyperactive ManChild for the sake of it, and Squidward's constant torment became undeserved and excessive.
** Some of the more abrasive humour of the later seasons was already coming into play as early as the Second Season, however mostly only to the level of giving the show a sharper more frenetic energy compared to the downright mean spiritedness of the post-Movie seasons. Spongebob had already started to become more obnoxious and hyperactive, though the consequences of his actions were kept carefully in check to keep him sympathetic (e.g. while he aggravates Squidward and Mrs Puff in early episodes, a lot of their worst misfortunes are brought upon themselves taking extremes to get rid of him, while in later episodes he genuinely just singlehandedly makes their lives miserable in his stupidity). Sandy had also become far more standoffish and arrogant by the second season, though given her initial overly positive characterization, this was only really taken to the point of giving her some level of vices so she could contribute better to the humour and become an endearingly flawed character like the others.



** Early in the show's run, Patrick's idiocy made him one of the most beloved characters due to his lines and antics being witty, endearing, or ending up with hilarious reactions from other characters. Unfortunately, later on, his idiocy ended up focusing more on how much he screwed up, resulting in reactions and idiocy that would drag on and end up feeling cruel to whomever experienced his antics, with him comming off as a {{Jerkass}} and getting little comeuppance for screwing other characters over for little reason. As a result, his reputation did a complete 180 and he became [[TheScrappy one of the most hated characters on the show]].
** Some of the more abrasive humour of the later seasons was already coming into play as early as the Second Season, however mostly only to the level of giving the show a sharper more frenetic energy compared to the downright mean spiritedness of the post-Movie seasons. Spongebob had already started to become more obnoxious and hyperactive, though the consequences of his actions were kept carefully in check to keep him sympathetic (e.g. while he aggravates Squidward and Mrs Puff in early episodes, a lot of their worst misfortunes are brought upon themselves taking extremes to get rid of him, while in later episodes he genuinely just singlehandedly makes their lives miserable in his stupidity). Sandy had also become far more standoffish and arrogant by the second season, though given her initial overly positive characterisation, this was only really taken to the point of giving her some level of vices so she could contribute better to the humour and become an endearingly flawed character like the others.

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** Early in the show's run, Patrick's idiocy made him one of the most beloved characters due to his lines and antics being witty, endearing, or ending up with hilarious reactions from other characters. Unfortunately, later on, his idiocy ended up focusing more on how much he screwed up, resulting in reactions and idiocy that would drag on and end up feeling cruel to whomever experienced his antics, with him comming coming off as a {{Jerkass}} and getting little comeuppance for screwing other characters over for little reason. As a result, his reputation did a complete 180 and he became [[TheScrappy one of the most hated characters on the show]].
** Some of the more abrasive humour of the later seasons was already coming into play as early as the Second Season, however mostly only to the level of giving the show a sharper more frenetic energy compared to the downright mean spiritedness of the post-Movie seasons. Spongebob had already started to become more obnoxious and hyperactive, though the consequences of his actions were kept carefully in check to keep him sympathetic (e.g. while he aggravates Squidward and Mrs Puff in early episodes, a lot of their worst misfortunes are brought upon themselves taking extremes to get rid of him, while in later episodes he genuinely just singlehandedly makes their lives miserable in his stupidity). Sandy had also become far more standoffish and arrogant by the second season, though given her initial overly positive characterisation, this was only really taken to the point of giving her some level of vices so she could contribute better to the humour and become an endearingly flawed character like the others.
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** Just about everyone and their mother points fingers at Scrappy-Doo -- the [[FearlessFool overconfident]] [[KidAppealCharacter ankle-biter]] who always threw himself InHarmsWay -- as [[TheScrappy one of the all-time worst characters on TV]]. The thing is, Scrappy's debut gave the show some of its highest ratings and are credited with saving it from cancellation. WebVideo/InsideAMind [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdQS-rjsnk posits]] that the problem was not Scrappy himself, but how he was utilized. Things were fine when the core of the show was still intact, but struggles keeping a consistent cast together led the show-runners to decide that since Scrappy was such a hit, they could use him to trim the fat, so to speak, cutting Velma, Daphne, and Fred (seen as the less memorable members of the gang) and have him take over for them. This meant that Scrappy was [[CompositeCharacter the one found clues, got kidnapped, and set the traps,]] which not only clashed with his stated characterization, but made Scooby and Shaggy seem even more bumbling. Not helping matters were some even more questionable {{retool}}s, such having the gang encounter real monsters and pairing Scrappy with cowboy-themed {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s of Scooby and Shaggy. All in all, Scrappy was pushed front-and-center into a show [[DorkAge that was losing its way]] and never meant to be his. At that point, further retooling to get things back on track wasn't enough to save the original run of ''Scooby-Doo'', and Scrappy's infamous reputation sticks with him to this day.

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** Just about everyone and their mother points fingers at Scrappy-Doo -- the [[FearlessFool overconfident]] [[KidAppealCharacter ankle-biter]] who always threw himself InHarmsWay -- as [[TheScrappy one of the all-time worst characters on TV]]. The thing is, Scrappy's debut gave the show some of its highest ratings and are credited with saving it from cancellation. WebVideo/InsideAMind ''WebVideo/InsideAMind'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdQS-rjsnk posits]] that the problem was not Scrappy himself, but how he was utilized. Things were fine when the core of the show was still intact, but struggles keeping a consistent cast together led the show-runners to decide that since Scrappy was such a hit, they could use him to trim the fat, so to speak, cutting Velma, Daphne, and Fred (seen as the less memorable members of the gang) and have him take over for them. This meant that Scrappy was [[CompositeCharacter the one found clues, got kidnapped, and set the traps,]] which not only clashed with his stated characterization, but made Scooby and Shaggy seem even more bumbling.bumbling and useless. Not helping matters were some even more questionable {{retool}}s, such having the gang encounter real monsters and pairing Scrappy with cowboy-themed {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s of Scooby and Shaggy. All in all, Scrappy was pushed front-and-center into a show [[DorkAge that was losing its way]] and never meant to be his. At that point, further retooling to get things back on track wasn't enough to save the original run of ''Scooby-Doo'', and Scrappy's infamous reputation sticks with him to this day.



* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult, Juniper Montage tried to sabotage a film production because she wanted to be the star and [[NeverMyFault later attacked those she deemed responsible for it failing]]) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing until they get defeated, say "I never had any friends" to the main cast, and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge {{revenge}} for the Mane Six destroying said cult, Juniper Montage tried to sabotage a film production because she wanted to be the star and [[NeverMyFault later attacked those she deemed responsible for it failing]]) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The reforming villains, but the main difference there is the way the reforming villains they actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing until they get defeated, say [[FriendlessBackground "I never had any friends" friends"]] to the main cast, and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now. now. At this point, [[TastesLikeDiabetes even the most idealistic fans roll their eyes]] at how easily the franchise lets its antagonists of the hook with little more than a HeelRealization and an apology, [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 and director Ishi Rudell also bemoans this trend.]]



** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot huge changes never really explored in any depth]].

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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback {{flashback}} or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates "[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' Mates]]" and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond "[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' Diamond]]" to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' "[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]" much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead "[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' Head]]" and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars "[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', Stars]]", [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot huge changes never really explored in any depth]].

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* While fans of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' have [[BrokenBase many different ideas]] about what caused its SeasonalRot, the show's increasing reliance on extended over-the-top {{Imagine Spot}}s is sometimes held up as a symptom of its declining quality, as it increasingly shifted the focus away from the simple day-to-day struggles of the toddlers. In truth, though, the show was ''always'' known for its surreal and fantastical overtones -- but in its early days, the toddlers didn't ''need'' {{Imagine Spot}}s to make their world seem like a bizarre wonderland, because the quirky writing and animation made the entire setting seem surreal; the {{Imagine Spot}}s just drew a clear line between the mundane world and the world of the kids' imaginations, where none had existed before. Case in point: compare Season 2's "Toy Palace" with Season 6's "Submarine". The former revolves around the [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] when Tommy and Chuckie spend the night in a sprawling toy store that (apparently) includes life-size robotic gorilla toys, automated Old West towns, and ''a working time machine''; the later just has the kids pretending that a van at a car lot is a submarine.

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* While fans of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' have [[BrokenBase many different ideas]] about what caused its SeasonalRot, the show's increasing reliance on extended over-the-top {{Imagine Spot}}s is sometimes held up as a symptom of its declining quality, as it increasingly shifted the focus away from the simple day-to-day struggles of the toddlers. In truth, though, the show was ''always'' known for its surreal and fantastical overtones -- but in its early days, the toddlers didn't ''need'' {{Imagine Spot}}s to make their world seem like a bizarre wonderland, because the quirky writing and animation made the entire setting seem surreal; the {{Imagine Spot}}s just drew a clear line between the mundane world and the world of the kids' imaginations, where none had existed before. Case in point: compare Season 2's "Toy Palace" with Season 6's "Submarine". The former revolves around the [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] when Tommy and Chuckie spend the night in a sprawling toy store that (apparently) includes life-size robotic gorilla toys, automated Old West towns, and ''a working time machine''; the later just has the kids pretending that a van at a car lot is a submarine.\\
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A few early episodes in Seasons 2 and 3 ''did'' feature extended plots that took place in the kids' heads, with "What the Big People Do", "Reptar 2010" and "Angelica's Worst Nightmare" being a few notable examples. But while those arguably pushed the show in a DenserAndWackier direction, they were still tolerable because the writers actually put some imagination into the {{Dream Sequence}}s, and often used them for CharacterDevelopment. Rather than just allowing the writers to put the kids in implausible situations, they were used to show a baby's skewed perspective on the world, giving viewers insight into how the kids thought. "What the Big People Do" shows what they imagine the adult world to be like, "Reptar 2010" features a RashomonPlot where each of the kids imagines themselves as their hero Reptar (with the plot changing to reflect each of their personalities), and "Angelica's Worst Nightmare" is a [[BlackComedy darkly humorous]] horror story that shows Angelica's fear of [[ItsAllAboutMe losing her parents' attention]].
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** One the most frequent criticisms is despite the show's open liberal bias, the show is reliant on offensive {{stereotype}}s to the point of downright racism. Of course the show has always had them but in earlier seasons nearly all of the stereotypes mocked the idea of stereotypes far more than it did the minorities they represented. It was such a successful formula that many of the stereotypical characters were [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales widely praised by the minorities they depict]]. However over the years Creator/SethMacFarlane seems to have gotten the idea that this means people like having their ethnicity and sexuality mocked and that he can indulge in racial humor and still come off as progressive. More and more recurring characters are intended to by sympathetic despite being increasingly [[EthnicScrappy flanderised stereotypes.]] This also hasn't gelled well with the show's [[WarOnStraw increased use straw characters about religious people and conservatives]], since the show depicts those stereotypes as being true. The resulting implications that the writers genuinely believe non-strait non-white people only behave a certain way has driven many fans away.

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** One the most frequent criticisms is despite the show's open liberal bias, the show is reliant on offensive {{stereotype}}s to the point of downright racism. Of course the show has always had them but in earlier seasons nearly all of the stereotypes mocked the idea of stereotypes far more than it did the minorities they represented. It was such a successful formula that many of the stereotypical characters were [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales widely praised by the minorities they depict]]. However over the years Creator/SethMacFarlane seems the writers seem to have gotten the idea that this means people like having their ethnicity and sexuality mocked and that he can indulge in racial humor and still come off as progressive. More and more recurring characters are intended to by sympathetic despite being increasingly [[EthnicScrappy flanderised stereotypes.]] This also hasn't gelled well with the show's [[WarOnStraw increased use straw characters about religious people and conservatives]], since the show depicts those stereotypes as being true. The resulting implications that the writers genuinely believe non-strait non-white people only behave a certain way has driven many fans away.
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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot huge changes massive really explored in any depth]].

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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot huge changes massive never really explored in any depth]].
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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.

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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, staff, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.
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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot without these changes really explored in any depth]].

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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot without these huge changes massive really explored in any depth]].
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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without these changes really explored in any depth.

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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot without these changes really explored in any depth.depth]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult, Juniper Montage tried to sabotage a film production because she wanted to be the star) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing until they get defeated, say "I never had any friends" to the main cast, and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult, Juniper Montage tried to sabotage a film production because she wanted to be the star) star and [[NeverMyFault later attacked those she deemed responsible for it failing]]) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing until they get defeated, say "I never had any friends" to the main cast, and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing, say "I never had any friends", and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult) cult, Juniper Montage tried to sabotage a film production because she wanted to be the star) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing, doing until they get defeated, say "I never had any friends", friends" to the main cast, and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.
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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and with important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development while off-screen. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without these changes really explored in any depth.

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** The strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and with important recurring characters who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development while off-screen.development. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without these changes really explored in any depth.
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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback episode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development while off-screen. For instance Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becoming more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without these changes really explored in any depth.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional flashback episode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along continued and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was sometimes ''very'' intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite dramatic) character development while off-screen. For instance Jasper undergoes drastic SanitySlippage after un-fusing from Malachite, Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becoming becomes more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without these changes really explored in any depth.
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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], still generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and simple exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it generally eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). Most of these flaws were held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.

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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], still generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and simple exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it generally eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). Most of these These flaws were usually held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.



** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becoming more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without the changes really explained or explored in any depth.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode flashback episode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes early on since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively fairly small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) dramatic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance Lapis goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becoming more brave and competent]] to the point of stealing a Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'', without the these changes really explained or explored in any depth.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': Princess Bubblegum's darker side was emphasized as early as Season 3, with her creation of Lemongrab being something akin to a MadScientist creation. It was well received, giving some more depth to her character. Later seasons, however, are criticised for taking this dark side and taking it to borderline sociopathic levels, with the "Bubblegum ranting at length to wizards why their belief in magic is stupid" scene being TheLastStraw for many.
** Later seasons thankfully try to fix this, with her having a HeelRealization thanks to Flame Princess calling her out. Season 7 even has her lose her position as Princess for a while to hammer it home, which causes her to break down in tears at one point at how much she's lost is by her own hand.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': Princess Bubblegum's darker side was emphasized as early as Season 3, with her creation of Lemongrab being something akin to a MadScientist creation. It was well received, giving some more depth to her character. Later seasons, however, are criticised for taking this dark side and taking it to borderline sociopathic levels, with the "Bubblegum ranting at length to calling a bunch of wizards why their belief idiots for believing in magic is stupid" magic" scene being TheLastStraw for many.
** Later seasons thankfully try to fix this, with her having a HeelRealization thanks to Flame Princess calling her out. Season
many. Seaonson 7 even has her lose her position as Princess received praise for addressing this problem through a while to hammer it home, story line in which causes Bubblegum's behavior ends up [[spoiler:getting her to break down in tears at one point at how much she's lost is by her own hand.dethroned temporarily]]



** When Tom and Jerry began appearing in {{crossover}} DirectToVideo movies in the late 2000's, such as with ''Theatre/TheNutcracker'' and Literature/SherlockHolmes, it was either accepted or ignored, because at least they still had some measure of originality. Eyebrows were raised when they crossed over with ''Literature/TheWizardOfOz'', but it being a public domain story that they at least attempted to do different things with (although heavily basing it on the [[Film/TheWizardOfOz 1939 film]]), it was largely excused. It finally seemed to cross a line with the release of ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryWillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', a shot-for-shot animated remake of the 1971 film adaptation with Tom and Jerry thrown in as an afterthought, sparking outrage and ridicule across the internet, mostly from people who didn't know these movies had been coming out for around a decade. It seems somewhere along the line Creator/WarnerBros figured they'd found a formula that enabled them to forgo creativity and originality in the Tom and Jerry direct-to-video movies yet still churn a profit, resulting in a steady decline of effort put into the writing.

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** When Tom and Jerry began appearing in {{crossover}} DirectToVideo movies in the late 2000's, such as with ''Theatre/TheNutcracker'' and Literature/SherlockHolmes, it was either accepted or ignored, because at least they still had some measure of originality. Eyebrows were raised when they crossed over with ''Literature/TheWizardOfOz'', but it being a public domain story that they at least attempted to do different things with (although heavily basing it on the [[Film/TheWizardOfOz 1939 film]]), it was largely excused. It finally seemed to cross a line with the release of ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryWillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', a shot-for-shot animated remake of the 1971 film adaptation with Tom and Jerry thrown in as an afterthought, sparking outrage and ridicule across the internet, mostly from people who didn't know these movies had been coming out for around a decade. It seems somewhere along the line Creator/WarnerBros figured they'd found a formula that enabled them to forgo creativity and originality in the Tom and Jerry direct-to-video movies yet still churn a profit, resulting in a steady decline of effort put into the writing.



** One of the show's favorite tactics since the earliest seasons has been to start off the first act with an unrelated plot (for instance, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E9HomerBadman Homer Badman]]"'s first act is about Homer and Marge going to a candy convention). It worked then, because they always used the opening plot to lead into the main plot (Homer pulling a piece of candy off the babysitter's butt and getting sued for sexual harassment). As time goes on, though, the transitions between plots have become increasingly abrupt and threadbare, to the point that these first-act plots could probably be cut from the episode entirely, and are used as little more than padding because the main plot can't stand up on its own.

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** One of the show's favorite tactics since the earliest seasons has been to start off the first act with an unrelated plot (for for instance, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E9HomerBadman Homer Badman]]"'s first act is about Homer and Marge going to a candy convention).convention, while the rest of the story deals with Homer being falsely accused of sexual harassment. It worked then, because they always used the opening plot to lead into the main plot (Homer pulling a piece of candy off the babysitter's butt and getting sued for sexual harassment). As time goes on, though, the transitions between plots have become increasingly abrupt and threadbare, to the point that these first-act plots could probably be cut from the episode entirely, and are used as little more than padding because the main plot can't stand up on its own.



** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes really explained or explored in any depth.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see instance Lapis going goes from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend and even getting some ShipTease with her in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or and Lars [[TookALevelInBadass becoming more brave and competent]] to the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to point of stealing a heroic space pirate between Gem ship in-between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' Stars]]'', without the changes really explained or explored in any depth.
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** Later seasons thankfully try to fix this, with her having a HeelRealization thanks to Flame Princess calling her out. Season 7 even has her lose her position as Princess for a while to hammer it home, which causes her to break down in tears at one point at how much she's lost is by her own hand.
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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes really explained or explored in any depth.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamond Hit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes really explained or explored in any depth.
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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes left largely to viewers' imagination.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes left largely to viewers' imagination.really explained or explored in any depth.
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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[/Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes left largely to viewers' imagination.

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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[/Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes left largely to viewers' imagination.
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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], still generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and simple exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it generally eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[ https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). Most of these flaws were held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.

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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], still generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and simple exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it generally eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[ https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). Most of these flaws were held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.
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** The blog Dead Homers Society [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs7/ argues]] that the show's decline began in earnest [[https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/zs8/ as early as Seasons 7-8]], still generally considered part of the show's GoldenAge. Due to several circumstances, from the show's popularity and simple exhaustion of fresh storylines to turnover on the writing staff and the death of voice actors Doris Grau and Phil Hartman, the show began more frequently incorporating the same hoary sitcom tropes and cliches that, until then, it generally eschewed or mocked. Examples cited include ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E11MargeBeNotProud Marge Be Not Proud]]'', a VerySpecialEpisode with more hamfisted emotion and character beats than similar, previous episodes; ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E4BurnsBabyBurns Burns, Baby, Burns]]'' which both incorporates a guest star (Creator/RodneyDangerfield, in this case) who is poorly integrated into the show's world and features an absurdly convoluted scheme by Homer to resolve the plot; ''[[ https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]'', which began the writers' habit of [[TakeThatAudience sniping at critical fans]]; and, more generally, an increase in wacky sitcom stories complete with broad humor, exaggerated characterizations, and over-the-top action scenes (not only that, but action scenes without either believable peril or compelling stakes). Most of these flaws were held in check and the seasons remain mostly solid, but it's clear that the faults ascribed to Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner (which began in Season Nine) were already present in abundance.


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** The series' strict focus on Steven's point-of-view, give or take the occasional FlashbackEpisode or ImagineSpot, rarely hurt the show in its earliest episodes since the world was relatively self-contained (Beach City, the Temple and the Gems' occasional missions), the core cast relatively small and it helped focus on Steven's personality and CharacterDevelopment. As the show went along and its universe expanded, this became more problematic, both in story terms (with mixed results, as sometimes hiding twists and character reveals from the audience was ''very'' much intentional) and with important recurring characters (Jasper, Lapis Lazuli and Lars in particular) who disappear for long stretches whenever they're not interacting with Steven, not allowing viewers to see their (often quite drastic) character development while they're off-screen. For instance, it's jarring to see Lapis going from barely tolerating Peridot in ''[[/Recap/StevenUniverseS3E4BarnMates Barn Mates]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E5HitTheDiamondnHit the Diamond]]'' to being her best friend in ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS3E21Beta Beta]]'' much later in the season, or the previously selfish and cowardly Lars's transformation in to a heroic space pirate between ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E4LarsHead Lars' Head]]'' and ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E11LarsOfTheStars Lars of the Stars]]'' without the changes left largely to viewers' imagination.
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** By a similar count, despite that fervent shipping fandom, the romance being none too great was a problem in the original as well. Part of the reason Zutara became such a notorious FanPreferredCouple was that the canon Kataang and Maiko were seen as lacking chemistry and intrigue (even the show itself joked on how a lot of fans seemed to prefer Katara and Aang to be LikeBrotherAndSister), and even the comparatively well-received Sukka is mostly done as an arc after two episodes. But the romances were minor enough as an element that they were easy to ignore, or leave fans room to imagine more interesting things. When ''Korra'' (and, similarly, the ''ATLA'' sequel comics) focused more on romance, it became a real problem; ''Korra'''s main pairing early on in particular is essentially a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute to Zutara, and yet ended up achieving absolutely none of the fame of its non-canon parent. It's likely for this reason that the creators decided to play Korrasami subtle.
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** Pop culture references, including [[CutawayGag cutaway gags]] and [[WholePlotReference episode-length spoofs]], have been a staple of ''The Simpsons'' since its earliest seasons (eg. "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E5TheGeneral the General]]" riffing on ''Film/{{Patton}}'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E1KampKrusty Kamp Krusty]]" on ''Film/ApocalypseNow'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E1StarkRavingDad Stark Raving Dad]]" on ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', etc.). Generally, though, earlier episodes tend to spoof classic movies and TV shows, where later episodes tend to parody [[WereStillRelevantDammit then-recent films or cultural trends]]. Which wouldn't ''necessarily'' be bad, except most such episodes wind up only [[ShallowParody spoofing a film/show's most obvious aspects]], and their subjects are far more likely [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece to become completely forgotten soon after]].

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** Pop culture references, including [[CutawayGag cutaway gags]] and [[WholePlotReference episode-length spoofs]], have been a staple of ''The Simpsons'' since its earliest seasons (eg. "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E5TheGeneral "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E5BartTheGeneral Bart the General]]" riffing on ''Film/{{Patton}}'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E1KampKrusty Kamp Krusty]]" on ''Film/ApocalypseNow'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E1StarkRavingDad Stark Raving Dad]]" on ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', etc.). Generally, though, earlier episodes tend to spoof classic movies and TV shows, where later episodes tend to parody [[WereStillRelevantDammit then-recent films or cultural trends]]. Which wouldn't ''necessarily'' be bad, except most such episodes wind up only [[ShallowParody spoofing a film/show's most obvious aspects]], and their subjects are far more likely [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece to become completely forgotten soon after]].
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** WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful one from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that Bugs had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the average ''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and petulant (the cover image in his [[WesternAnimation/BugsBunny trope page]] is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.

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** WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful one from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that Bugs had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the average ''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and petulant (the cover image in his [[WesternAnimation/BugsBunny trope page]] is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.
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** WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that Bugs had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the average ''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and petulant (the cover image in his [[WesternAnimation/BugsBunny trope page]] is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.

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** WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful one from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that Bugs had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the average ''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and petulant (the cover image in his [[WesternAnimation/BugsBunny trope page]] is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.
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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': Princess Bubblegum's darker side was emphasized as early as Season 3, with her creation of Lemongrab being something akin to a MadScientist creation. It was well received, giving some more depth to her character. Later seasons, however, are criticised for taking this dark side and taking it to borderline sociopathic levels, with the "Bubblegum ranting at length to wizards why their belief in magic is stupid" scene being TheLastStraw for many.
* In ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'':
** The title characters would in some of the original shorts be friends and speak, though rarely (and something would always come between their friendship, making them fight again). These elements are what is most reviled about ''WesternAnimation/TheTomAndJerryShow'' from the 1970s, and ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie''.
** When Tom and Jerry began appearing in {{crossover}} DirectToVideo movies in the late 2000's, such as with ''Theatre/TheNutcracker'' and Literature/SherlockHolmes, it was either accepted or ignored, because at least they still had some measure of originality. Eyebrows were raised when they crossed over with ''Literature/TheWizardOfOz'', but it being a public domain story that they at least attempted to do different things with (although heavily basing it on the [[Film/TheWizardOfOz 1939 film]]), it was largely excused. It finally seemed to cross a line with the release of ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryWillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', a shot-for-shot animated remake of the 1971 film adaptation with Tom and Jerry thrown in as an afterthought, sparking outrage and ridicule across the internet, mostly from people who didn't know these movies had been coming out for around a decade. It seems somewhere along the line Creator/WarnerBros figured they'd found a formula that enabled them to forgo creativity and originality in the Tom and Jerry direct-to-video movies yet still churn a profit, resulting in a steady decline of effort put into the writing.
* While the show ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop'' was well-received and considered a good show in its own right, many have blamed it for planting the seeds for the TotallyRadical attitude and theme that took over many later shows for the WesternAnimation/DisneyAfternoon television block; the shows that had taken on those themes were considered [[FranchiseKiller the killers]] of the block itself during the latter half of the '90s.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
** Back when it started, the series was revolutionary when compared to [[OlderThanTheyThink other]] cynical shows centered on a dysfunctional family because it was an animated show set in ComicBookTime ''and'' with NegativeContinuity. The family could go anywhere, interact with anyone, and do anything without having to care about budget constraints, actors that wanted to leave or children that grew up. However, after 20 years that original strength has turned into its biggest constraint. Bart and Lisa [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour behave like teenagers]], but they are [[NotAllowedToGrowUp still 10 and 8 and go to the same elementary school]], so the writers can't make them face the actual teenage (or [[LongRunners young adult]]) problems they would be dealing with by now if the show was live-acted or used WebcomicTime; Marge and Homer have gone through countless marriage crises and been thrown into jail countless times, but they have to go back home together at the end; Maggie feels more like a prop than a character in most episodes because the writers can't think of new plotlines starring a baby, etc. As a result, the show has become stalled and boring.
** Pop culture references, including [[CutawayGag cutaway gags]] and [[WholePlotReference episode-length spoofs]], have been a staple of ''The Simpsons'' since its earliest seasons (eg. "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E5TheGeneral the General]]" riffing on ''Film/{{Patton}}'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E1KampKrusty Kamp Krusty]]" on ''Film/ApocalypseNow'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E1StarkRavingDad Stark Raving Dad]]" on ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', etc.). Generally, though, earlier episodes tend to spoof classic movies and TV shows, where later episodes tend to parody [[WereStillRelevantDammit then-recent films or cultural trends]]. Which wouldn't ''necessarily'' be bad, except most such episodes wind up only [[ShallowParody spoofing a film/show's most obvious aspects]], and their subjects are far more likely [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece to become completely forgotten soon after]].
** One of the show's favorite tactics since the earliest seasons has been to start off the first act with an unrelated plot (for instance, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E9HomerBadman Homer Badman]]"'s first act is about Homer and Marge going to a candy convention). It worked then, because they always used the opening plot to lead into the main plot (Homer pulling a piece of candy off the babysitter's butt and getting sued for sexual harassment). As time goes on, though, the transitions between plots have become increasingly abrupt and threadbare, to the point that these first-act plots could probably be cut from the episode entirely, and are used as little more than padding because the main plot can't stand up on its own.
** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS23E22LisaGoesGaga Lisa Goes Gaga]]" was widely seen as the nadir of the show in terms of celebrity guests, with many people being disgusted by how the series treated their CelebrityVoiceActor as [[CanonSue a glorious messianic figure who saves the family.]] But the root of this issue lies in Season 1's "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E6MoaningLisa Moaning Lisa]]" and Season 3's "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E19LisasSubstitute Lisa's Substitute]]", often considered some of the show's most soulful episodes -- they even focused on Lisa, just like "Lisa Goes Gaga." The difference was that in those episodes, neither Ron Taylor nor Creator/DustinHoffman played themselves -- they were likeable, competent, friendly characters who happened to be played by celebrities, which made it feel like the celebrity was lending their talent to bringing the character to life. When celebrities did go [[AsHimself As Themselves]] in early seasons, it was in incidental roles, with no small amount of AdamWesting, and they usually came off as jerks or weirdos (such as Creator/LeonardNimoy above and Creator/AdamWest himself). These celebrities were either used to further characters or add jokes to an episode, not being added for their own sake, and never in such a manner that made the episode feel like it was fellating them -- something that later episodes would [[http://animationanomaly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/The-Simpsons-Then-and-Now-Comparison.jpg roundly ignore.]]
** "Rubber-band reality" was a term coined by Creator/MattGroening to allow for more out-there gags. It essentially dictated that the show could have absurd, silly, or unrealistic gags, so long as they were ''only'' gags and quickly ignored afterward -- essentially, they could "stretch" the reality of the show, but they would always have to let it "snap back." For instance, in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E17LastExitToSpringfield Last Exit To Springfield]]," Burns breaks out a pair of {{Killer Robot}}s in the hopes of using them as strikebreakers, but the scene only lasts a few seconds and has no bearing on the plot, which remains fairly down-to-earth. As the series went on, the "rubber band" of reality would be stretched further and further, to the point where they started forgetting to snap it back altogether -- as early as Season 6, [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E4ItchyAndScratchyLand one episode]] featured {{Killer Robot}}s trying to murder the family as the episode's climax. By Season 11, which featured magical jockey elves, octuplets, [[HotSkittyOnWailordAction tomacco]], and the family casually hanging out with celebrities, the rubber-band reality had turned the Simpsons universe into a WorldOfWeirdness.
** The CouchGag was one of the show's most beloved elements from the start for providing new jokes and weird imagery, but on occasion, as early as Season 4, it was used to stretch a rather light episode out. In particular, the "circus" couch gag was explicitly created to pad the runtime, being twenty-three seconds (not counting the rest of the opening), and showing up in a total of eight episodes. One episode (which, to be fair, was a ClipShow) played ''twelve'' couch gags in succession, including the circus gag, taking up a whole minute of screentime. The thing was, back then, long couch gags were rare; aside from the above two and not counting the changed credits for ''Treehouse of Horror'', not one CouchGag in the first eight seasons went over fifteen seconds, and most lasted about four. It was, after all, a ''gag'' -- a quick joke. By the later seasons, though, long couch gags started to show up [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3x3d more and more often]], with the show breaking its own record multiple times, and post-Season 20 or so, a twenty-three-second couch gag likely wouldn't even be in the top half. The show even turned the gag into something of a [[DancingBear publicity stunt,]] doing things like hiring other animators or making [[WereStillRelevantDammit extended references to other shows airing]]. Making things even worse was the shift to a four-act structure and episodes getting noticeably shorter in runtime to squeeze in more ads, meaning that on top of being longer, the extended couch gags were now eating up larger portions of the episodes. It's estimated that some episodes would, with their opening sequences removed, be about six minutes shorter than their older counterparts.
** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS19E11That90sShow That '90s Show]]" was largely despised for its attempt to invoke the SlidingTimescale, but a sliding timescale had been around even in the celebrated original set of flashback episodes. Most obviously, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E12IMarriedMarge I Married Marge]]" is clearly dated to 1980, while "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E10LisasFirstWord Lisa's First Word]]" is dated to 1984, despite them centering on the births of a ten-year-old and an eight-year-old, respectively. But, bar a few jokes about ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and the '84 Olympics, the overall feel of the episodes fit into BroadStrokes well enough to be accepted as "they were born in the early '80s", especially given that it was a difference of only two years. However, "That '90s Show" dates itself to ending at 1998, and with events that are supposed to take place ''before'' the other two, a difference of ''eighteen'' years -- that's a bit much.
** Many people dislike the show's recent tendency to focus heavily on liberal social/political issues. Thing is, the show had episodes like this back in the Golden Age episodes, like "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E5LisaTheVegetarian Lisa the Vegetarian]]" and "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E15HomersPhobia Homer's Phobia]]". The main difference is, in the older episodes it felt as if the writers truly cared about the issues in question, and in episodes such as "The Cartridge Family" and "Itchy & Scratchy & Marge", [[BothSidesHaveAPoint would present the whole thing as at least a bit nuanced.]] Nowadays, it seems like the show only cares about liberal issues to appear progressive and frequently [[DontShootTheMessage ends up bungling that]] (including a notorious episode where Homer becomes a gay marriage minister, which indulges gay stereotypes heavily and ends with a {{transgender}} woman being humiliatingly outed).
* As the ''Franchise/Ben10'' franchise went on, one of the most major complaints about it is that many aliens in the sequels use similar abilities, as well as many outright having the same power. Surprisingly, the first show could run into this problem too, with a few aliens with redundant abilities that could sometimes render another alien obsolete (Benvicktor/Frankenstrike, along with super strength, has lightning powers, and generally does everything Fourarms could do, except without the arms). ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' is also similarly criticized for its [[ContinuityPorn overt focus on old elements]], [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to first-series fans]], and sometimes [[RecycledScript script-recycling]]. These elements can be traced to its immediate predecessor too, with several major plot elements being recycled from the original show (Kevin's insanity and being a composite form of Ben's aliens, which were heavily referenced) ''and'' featuring a guest appearance from the original Ben.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'':
** A common complaint about modern day episodes is the tendency to overhype regular episodes as huge specials. This trend started back during seasons 2 and 3 of the show, which is often considered to be during the show's golden age, with episodes such as [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS3E11PartyPooperPants "Party Pooper Pants"]] (which would have been standard length were it not for the [[{{Padding}} Patchy segments]]) and [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS2E33ShanghaiedGaryTakesABath "Shanghaied"]] (whose [[MultipleEndings gimmick]] only worked the very first time it aired). It wasn't until the first such "special" to air after TheMovie, [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS4E20BestDayEverTheGiftOfGum "Best Day Ever"]], that fans started complaining, as it took a 24 hour marathon of the most beloved episodes of the series, as well as the movie, to advertise an ''11 minute episode'' that quickly became hated.
** The show's oft-criticized descent into [[GrossOutShow gross-out humor]] and GettingCrapPastTheRadar started as early as season 2, with [[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS2E2SomethingSmellsBossyBoots "Something Smells"]] revolving entirely around the joke that [=SpongeBob's=] breath stinks and he doesn't realize it. Typically though, it would be limited to one or two {{Cutaway Gag}}s per episode, whereas later seasons feature ''whole episodes'' centered around [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS6E5TheSplinterSlideWhistleStooges SpongeBob getting a splinter]] or [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS5E3RiseandShineWaitingFungusAmongUs contracting a fungal infection]]. Many have pointed out how the main problem stemmed from the writers attempting to emulate the style of episodes from Stephen Hillenburg's first tenure as showrunner without proper knowledge as to how he was able to make it work.
** Mr. Krabs in later seasons has become infamous for his tendency to do underhanded, immoral, or even illegal things if it means turning a quick buck. However, even in the first three seasons he was shown use tactics like [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS2E19JellyfishHunterTheFryCookGames animal abuse]], [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS3E15BornAgainKrabsIHadAnAccident forcing his employees to use an ancient diseased patty]], ''[[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS2E20SquidOnStrikeSandySpongeBobAndTheWorm enslaving]]'' his employees, or [[Recap/SpongebobSquarepantsS3E15BornAgainKrabsIHadAnAccident selling SpongeBob's soul for 62 cents in the name of profit]]. The difference, though, is that whenever he crossed a line in the first few seasons, he was generally punished for it or at least realized the error of his ways. In many later episodes, [[KarmaHoudini Krabs gets away with a slap on the wrist, if that.]]
** One of the ''biggest'' complaints people have with the modern series is the way they treat [[DesignatedMonkey Squidward]], This was in the Pre-Movie episodes, believe it or not. Thing is, Squidward was an arrogant jerk at best, and was someone the audience would LoveToHate. Whenever the episode was sympathetic, they usually brought in someone even worse, namely Squilliam. As such, the audience usually laughed at Squidward's misfortune. Then they tried having him be both sympathetic and a CosmicPlaything in the same episode, to diminishing returns.
** Early in the show's run, Patrick's idiocy made him one of the most beloved characters due to his lines and antics being witty, endearing, or ending up with hilarious reactions from other characters. Unfortunately, later on, his idiocy ended up focusing more on how much he screwed up, resulting in reactions and idiocy that would drag on and end up feeling cruel to whomever experienced his antics, with him comming off as a {{Jerkass}} and getting little comeuppance for screwing other characters over for little reason. As a result, his reputation did a complete 180 and he became [[TheScrappy one of the most hated characters on the show]].
** Some of the more abrasive humour of the later seasons was already coming into play as early as the Second Season, however mostly only to the level of giving the show a sharper more frenetic energy compared to the downright mean spiritedness of the post-Movie seasons. Spongebob had already started to become more obnoxious and hyperactive, though the consequences of his actions were kept carefully in check to keep him sympathetic (e.g. while he aggravates Squidward and Mrs Puff in early episodes, a lot of their worst misfortunes are brought upon themselves taking extremes to get rid of him, while in later episodes he genuinely just singlehandedly makes their lives miserable in his stupidity). Sandy had also become far more standoffish and arrogant by the second season, though given her initial overly positive characterisation, this was only really taken to the point of giving her some level of vices so she could contribute better to the humour and become an endearingly flawed character like the others.
* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''
** The pre-[[UnCanceled uncancellation]] seasons already showed many of the traits that would fully manifest once it came back, including {{Cutaway Gag}}s, {{Overly Long Gag}}s and the main characters bordering on {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s. In the earlier seasons these were balanced out and broken up enough that it wasn't as much of a problem, and the formula was new enough that they were still genuinely surprising when they happened and not expected as they are now.
** The criticism of religious people seen in the series can be spotted as early as Season 2, with "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS2E2HolyCrap Holy Crap]]" focusing on Peter's Catholic father Francis who comes and makes things worse for the Griffin family while living in the family's house. However, Francis is balanced out by the Pope who is a ReasonableAuthorityFigure and grows impatient with Francis’s nastiness, implying the issues with Peter's father are more linked to zealotry and a general mean attitude rather than completely stemming from Catholicism. This is to contrast with the infamous Season 7 episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS7E11NotAllDogsGoToHeaven Not All Dogs Go To Heaven]]", which has the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that BeliefMakesYouStupid all together.
** The cast’s horrific treatment of [[ButtMonkey Meg]] is now one of the most frequently criticized aspects of the show, provoking many appalled reactions from fans; despite the show’s attempts to play her treatment for BlackComedy, quite a few people have pointed out that it often borders on outright ''emotional abuse''. But in some ways, this can be traced back to the earliest episodes, where Meg was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn a considerably different character]]. While her family certainly didn’t hate her in those episodes, one often got the sense that the ''writers'' didn’t particularly care for her: she was the [[FlatCharacter least developed]] of the Griffin children by a pretty wide margin, and didn’t really have her own comedic gimmick like her parents and siblings did. In later seasons, the writers never really gave her CharacterDevelopment, but they did give her the "gimmick" of being despised and/or ignored by her entire family -- which many fans liked even less. If you compare Meg’s appearances in Season 1 to her later appearances, you’ll notice that she isn’t exactly less of a FlatCharacter in those early episodes, but she at least wasn’t just the object of other people’s hatred.
** One the most frequent criticisms is despite the show's open liberal bias, the show is reliant on offensive {{stereotype}}s to the point of downright racism. Of course the show has always had them but in earlier seasons nearly all of the stereotypes mocked the idea of stereotypes far more than it did the minorities they represented. It was such a successful formula that many of the stereotypical characters were [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales widely praised by the minorities they depict]]. However over the years Creator/SethMacFarlane seems to have gotten the idea that this means people like having their ethnicity and sexuality mocked and that he can indulge in racial humor and still come off as progressive. More and more recurring characters are intended to by sympathetic despite being increasingly [[EthnicScrappy flanderised stereotypes.]] This also hasn't gelled well with the show's [[WarOnStraw increased use straw characters about religious people and conservatives]], since the show depicts those stereotypes as being true. The resulting implications that the writers genuinely believe non-strait non-white people only behave a certain way has driven many fans away.
* The signs of the ''Franchise/{{Avatar| The Last Airbender}}'' series focusing on teenage romance and ShipTease at the expense of plot and character development could be seen all the way back in [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender the original series]], as later seasons gave those subplots more focus in response to the creators realizing how large and {{vocal|Minority}} the {{shipping}} community was, but because the 3 season story arc had already been planned out there was only so much room for those scenes to be inserted and for the most part they didn't feel like they got in the way. Come ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', which had a brand new story arc built from scratch around older teen protagonists, and the creators put in far more romance and a LoveTriangle from the second episode to the point it became a RomanticPlotTumor that made many fans dislike one of the central characters (Mako) and the rest of the plot, including the main antagonist and the social forces behind his movement, felt rushed and underutilized. Later seasons tried to undo the damage by having Mako and Korra break up, and fan consensus is that it wasn't until season 3 that the story began to truly feel more balanced. Another major factor is that unlike the first series, the first season of ''Korra'' was written under the possibility that it was a self-contained mini-series that could be expanded into [[TwoPartTrilogy three more]] if the former was successful while a combination of TroubledProduction and Book 2 serving to deconstruct the previous events led to SeasonalRot. Seasons 3 and 4 were made back to back and feature far more confidence in shoving the romantic material to the side.
* Part of the reason ''{{WesternAnimation/Chowder}}'' became popular was its heavy usage of PaintingTheMedium and fourth wall breaking jokes. In the final season, gags about breaking the fourth wall became so overused that the novelty wore off.
* ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' has a few examples;
** Many long-time fans have argued that the franchise's formula stopped working around the time that they tried to bring ''real'' monsters into the show (notably in ''WesternAnimation/TheThirteenGhostsOfScoobyDoo'', [[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooDirectToVideoFilmSeries the direct-to-video movies]], and [[Film/ScoobyDoo the live-action films]]), which killed the elements of mystery that gave the original series its charm. While the original ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'' generally stuck to the famous ScoobyDooHoax for most of its stories, genuinely supernatural elements have been around as far back as that series, and not all of its [[MonsterOfTheWeek Monsters of the Week]] turned out to be costumed crooks. The villain of "Foul Play in Funland" was a real robot gone haywire, one scene in "A Night of Fright is No Delight" had a bone floating onto Scooby's plate with no explanation given, and the supporting characters in "That's Snow Ghost" were implied to have faced a real Yeti in a flashback. ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland'' (usually regarded as the one of the best stories in the franchise) had it as a selling point that there were real monsters in it. The difference was that there was still a mystery to solve and several plot twists ([[spoiler:the zombies are on the heroes' side for one]]) that it all felt natural.
** Just about everyone and their mother points fingers at Scrappy-Doo -- the [[FearlessFool overconfident]] [[KidAppealCharacter ankle-biter]] who always threw himself InHarmsWay -- as [[TheScrappy one of the all-time worst characters on TV]]. The thing is, Scrappy's debut gave the show some of its highest ratings and are credited with saving it from cancellation. WebVideo/InsideAMind [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdQS-rjsnk posits]] that the problem was not Scrappy himself, but how he was utilized. Things were fine when the core of the show was still intact, but struggles keeping a consistent cast together led the show-runners to decide that since Scrappy was such a hit, they could use him to trim the fat, so to speak, cutting Velma, Daphne, and Fred (seen as the less memorable members of the gang) and have him take over for them. This meant that Scrappy was [[CompositeCharacter the one found clues, got kidnapped, and set the traps,]] which not only clashed with his stated characterization, but made Scooby and Shaggy seem even more bumbling. Not helping matters were some even more questionable {{retool}}s, such having the gang encounter real monsters and pairing Scrappy with cowboy-themed {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s of Scooby and Shaggy. All in all, Scrappy was pushed front-and-center into a show [[DorkAge that was losing its way]] and never meant to be his. At that point, further retooling to get things back on track wasn't enough to save the original run of ''Scooby-Doo'', and Scrappy's infamous reputation sticks with him to this day.
* While fans of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' have [[BrokenBase many different ideas]] about what caused its SeasonalRot, the show's increasing reliance on extended over-the-top {{Imagine Spot}}s is sometimes held up as a symptom of its declining quality, as it increasingly shifted the focus away from the simple day-to-day struggles of the toddlers. In truth, though, the show was ''always'' known for its surreal and fantastical overtones -- but in its early days, the toddlers didn't ''need'' {{Imagine Spot}}s to make their world seem like a bizarre wonderland, because the quirky writing and animation made the entire setting seem surreal; the {{Imagine Spot}}s just drew a clear line between the mundane world and the world of the kids' imaginations, where none had existed before. Case in point: compare Season 2's "Toy Palace" with Season 6's "Submarine". The former revolves around the [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] when Tommy and Chuckie spend the night in a sprawling toy store that (apparently) includes life-size robotic gorilla toys, automated Old West towns, and ''a working time machine''; the later just has the kids pretending that a van at a car lot is a submarine.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' became criticized for how many villains and bullies get EasilyForgiven. The trend started at the end of the two-part pilot, where Princess Luna was immediately forgiven for trying to bring TheNightThatNeverEnds on the world. The difference is that such an act could be filed as CartoonishSupervillainy (which also applied to Discord turning Equestria into a WorldGoneMad), Luna herself was acting under the control of her SuperpoweredEvilSide, and she had a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic enough backstory]] to grant her EnsembleDarkhorse status, making it easier to overlook the cast instantly forgiving her. Most later examples were guilty of far more realistic crimes and voluntarily committed misdeeds (Diamond Tiara was a [[KidsAreCruel cruel]], [[AlphaBitch snooty bully]], Starlight Glimmer ran a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything dictatorship-inspired cult]] devoted to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill squelching individuality]] and created multiple {{Bad Future}}s in her attempt to get revenge for the Mane Six destroying said cult) and had, at best, a last minute FreudianExcuse that tended to make them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. [[https://twitter.com/ishiH3Art/status/1017125609305042944 Even director Ishi Rudell bemoaned this trend.]] The G1 series ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' and its TV specials also had this issue to varying degrees. The main difference is the way the reforming villains actually showed some sign of decency beforehand, from misgivings that grow over the course of the story to outright hating the BigBad and planning to jump ship at the first opportunity. Compare to the way the most-hated FIM examples will never think twice about what they're doing, say "I never had any friends", and with no further ado, everyone loves each other now.
* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'':
** One of the many things fans/detractors complain about is the FamilyUnfriendlyViolence. And while this complaint is sometimes justified (the complaint is usually that the Titans are violent towards [[VitriolicBestBuds each]] [[WithFriendsLikeThese other]]), complaints regarding violence ''in general'' are a bit strange, since the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans original cartoon]] was an ''action'' series where the characters used violence in every other episode. The difference with ''TTG'' is that it's a ''comedy''.
** Certain complaints about the series -- particularly the different characterization and the heavier focus on humor -- aren't actually all that different from criticisms of the original cartoon from fans of the comics or other more serious DC action shows such as Batman or Justice League. While the original cartoon had dramatic storylines, they were lightened quite a bit from the original comics, where, for instance, [[BigBad Slade]] was downgraded from a more sympathetic AntiVillain, the heroes had less characterization, and comedic {{animesque}} pratfalls and/or expressions were frequent. The main difference was that the Titans still had depth and characterization, they were still able to act like heroes, and several fans to this day are intimidated about Slade (and most fans admit that, if nothing else, Creator/RonPerlman's voice was pretty memorable). Go! abandoned practically any pretense of character depth that its 2003 predecessor could be accused of lacking in comparison to the original comics, actually making it less egregious in that regard. (Still understandable is the outrage towards a specific incarnation of the Titans being {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed in such fashion.) Meanwhile, the release of the DCUA films ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueVsTeenTitans'' and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansTheJudasContract'' have given the Titans their most authentic treatment yet.
* The Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse is responsible for kickstarting the depiction of Superman as a [[BewareTheSuperman distrusted]] and [[DestructiveSavior destructive]] hero in TheOughties and TheNewTens (such as ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', a number of AU stories such as ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'', and also in the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse). However, the franchise's caretakers sparingly depicted the evil/destructive Superman. In the 14 year run of the franchise, Superman has been depicted as evil only four times –- "Brave New World" and "Legacy" (''Superman TAS''), "A Better World" (''Justice League''), and "The Call" (''Batman Beyond''). The Cadmus arc of ''Justice League Unlimited'' doesn't actually feature a rogue Superman (although he does TookALevelInJerkass and suffered for it, such as the episode "Clash") but is motivated by paranoia resulting from the events of "Brave New World" and "A Better World". Furthermore, while Superman does cause collateral damage, [[WorldOfCardboardSpeech he still prioritizes saving lives and deliberately holds back, only going all in as a last resort when fighting]] {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s like Mongul or ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}.\\\
Later writers have continued to draw from the BewareTheSuperman well but without balancing him with the more cheerful, idealistic hero who saves people. Most notably, the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse shows Superman failing to limit collateral damage and becoming distrusted by humanity, so much so that the idea of Superman as an InUniverse icon of hope may as well be an InformedAttribute. The highly popular ''[[VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs Injustice]]'' [[VideoGame/Injustice2 games]] and [[ComicBook/InjusticeGodsAmongUs tie-in]] [[ComicBook/Injustice2 comic series]] feature Superman as a main villain that has JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope from a single justifiable MomentOfWeakness into outright murderous tyranny. Additional stories wherein the idea of "Supes gone Bad" has at least been toyed with somewhat (such as ''Earth 2'' and Superman [[spoiler:apparently coming BackFromTheDead to become a psychotic Dragon for Darkseid only to turn out that it's the local version of Bizarro instead]]) have been on the rise. Many fans worry that these high-profile stories have damaged Superman's brand by making the evil, destructive Superman an equally familiar presence alongside the regular IdealHero one.
* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' made its name with a purely episodic format; while there might be a SequelEpisode to a previous one, by and large each episode was a self-contained story. However (as outlined in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HtLJI595wM this video]] by WebVideo/{{PIEGUYRULZ}}), starting in season 10 it began experimenting with multi-episode {{story arc}}s, with the two-parters "Cartoon Wars" and "Go God Go". Many seasons after that would each have arcs that lasted for more than one episode, such as season 11's "Imaginationland", season 12's "Pandemic", and season 14's "200" and "201", providing a nice shift from the usual gag-a-day humor that the show was built around. Season 18 marked the tipping point in introducing full continuity between episodes throughout the season, with multiple arcs that flowed into one another. Fan opinion on the arcs were mixed, but overall, season 18 was still well-received.\\\
Season 19, however, had a season-spanning arc that was tied into every episode, with the final three episodes (out of a ten-episode season) devoted purely to wrapping it up. The arc left the show feeling bloated, with less time to turn its satirical eye to other targets, losing the scattershot, highly topical humor that had been one of its trademarks. These problems only got worse in season 20, as every episode in the season was part of a linear story arc that continued from episode to episode, unlike season 19 where the episodes, while part of the overall season arc, had plots that were largely self-contained. Eventually, [[RealLifeWritesThePlot real life wrote the plot]] in a way that Creator/TreyParkerAndMattStone hadn't foreseen, forcing them to hastily rewrite the season finale to reflect it[[note]]The planned resolution was that Mr. Garrison, running for President as a parody of Creator/DonaldTrump, would ultimately go down in defeat to UsefulNotes/HillaryRodhamClinton, as many people, Parker and Stone included, were predicting Trump would do against Clinton in real life. Trump ''winning'' left Parker and Stone blindsided and derailed their planned ending.[[/note]] and, in the process, abandon several subplots that they had spent the entire season building up. The general consensus was that, on a show as famously [[RippedFromTheHeadlines rapid-fire and up-to-the-minute]] as ''South Park'', trying to do a serialized story-line just doesn't work -- a consensus that Parker and Stone [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/south-park-creators-look-past-rough-trump-season-fresh-start-1034560 agreed with]] when they went back to an episodic format in season 21.
* One of the most pervasive flaws of ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' was how [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Hank was always right about everything]], [[TheWarOnStraw and anything that didn't gel with his conservative values was always wrong.]] As [[http://www.macleans.ca/authors/jaime-weinman/a-brief-history-of-king-of-the-hill/ this article explains,]] Creator/MikeJudge had always wanted the show's CentralTheme to be about the brand of [[GoodIsOldFashioned good old-fashioned]] [[GoodOldWays integrity]] that Hank exemplifies proving superior to any [[BourgeoisBohemian snooty bleeding-heart liberals]] and whatever [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad modern-age PC hogwash]] they were espousing. Earlier seasons had the counterbalance of co-creator Greg Daniels, who liked to write episodes exploring a character's struggles and shortcomings. Because of this balance, other characters had their time to shine, Hank's uptight, stubborn, out-of-touch nature was often treated as flawed, and as a result, his role as the diligent, no-nonsense, ethical {{Only Sane|Man}} {{Everyman}} was more sincere and broadly portrayed; anyone could view him as a good man, regardless of their standing on the geopolitical spectrum. Eventually, Judge and Daniels became less involved with the show, and the balance began to waver -- mass {{Flanderization}} ensued, not just of [[ObsessivelyNormal Hank's uptight conservatism]], but eventually his role as the OnlySaneMan as well. [[IssueDrift The show fell into]] [[StrictlyFormula a formula]] of Hank railing against anything [[AuthorFilibuster that could be considered nontraditional]], such as {{Boy Band}}s, {{Open Minded Parent}}s who preferred [[GentleTouchVsFirmHand Gentle Touch over Firm Hand]], {{nerd}}y TabletopGame enthusiasts, Bobby being InTouchWithHisFeminineSide, owning a pet other than a [[HeroesLoveDogs dog]], or even [[CanadaEh Canadians]], [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong all of which portrayed as little more than an asinine]] SubcultureOfTheWeek. Because of this, the show that was meant to elevate the image of [[GoodOlBoy the humble Bible Belt conservative]] that was usually an {{Acceptable Target|s}} elsewhere ended up embodying [[BourgeoisBumpkin its worst characteristics -- its bullheadedly insular and self-righteous attitude against any ideals other than its own]].
* The biggest complaint about the majority of modern ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' material is the attempts to connect it to ''WesternAnimation/TransformersGeneration1,'' with the preferred option of treating the G1 era with a [[ShroudedInMyth mythic, mysterious reverence]] being ignored. Despite this, attempts to make more direct connections went all the way back to the original cartoon's most well-liked episodes, including "The Agenda" -- generally considered one of the best episodes of its entire run, where Ravage showed up alive and well and the entire plot is about definitively confirming that the conflict of ''Beast Wars'' is an extension of the original cartoon's conflict. And even then, the idea of the original events being mythologized was a bit odd to begin with, as the given time was [[SciFiWritersHave/NoSenseOfTime only 300 years later for a race known to live for millions.]] However, the ShockingSwerve, the added significance to the show's events, a pivotal scene of the characters walking amazed among the giant, ancient, sleeping bodies of their ancestors, and [[OneSceneWonder Ravage as a secret agent with a Russian accent]] were cool enough to forgive the oddities. However, Ravage also poked a hole in the whole idea that the G1 cast was gone and couldn't exist in the Beast Era. This opened the floodgates for every other comic writer to reveal that, among other characters, Grimlock, Razorclaw, Rodimus, Cyclonus, Skywarp, Divebomb, Arcee, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, Ironhide, Silverbolt, and Prowl (''[[ContinuitySnarl twice]]'') all made it over, and pretty much [[NamesTheSame every other Beast Era character to share a name with a G1 character]] somehow [[OneSteveLimit was that character]] even if it seemed like otherwise. From that point onward, the last generation proceeded to [[SpotlightStealingSquad take over any given Beast Era story]], pulling focus away from the well-liked ''Beast Wars'' cast and turning the original scene from gazing at their millennia-old ancestors to [[FridgeLogic looking at people who were still alive and well and who most of the cast already knew]]. From that point on, it was only a very small step to doing a story where the ''Beast Wars'' cast fought in the mythical Great War... [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dawn_of_the_Predacus which was exactly what eventually happened]].
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'':
** The show has never really had strong continuity, since it was always meant to be a gag-based show for children. Occasionally you'd get a [[ContinuityNod nod to a previous episode]], but that was about it. Given the show's episodic format, most fans let it slide. But later seasons are often criticised for outright [[SeriesContinuityError ignoring]] continuity.
** The later seasons have gotten considerable criticism for [[{{Flanderization}} flanderizing]] Cosmo into an insufferable [[TheDitz ditz]], making him one of the show's most annoying characters. Interestingly enough, even in the earliest episodes -- where he was [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} slightly spacey]], but still competent and good-natured -- he was already a flanderized version of the Cosmo who appeared in the original Nickelodeon shorts. There, he and Wanda were both portrayed as ''completely'' wise and competent, aside from being slightly out of touch with the mundane human world; his voice was even [[VocalEvolution noticeably deeper and more suave]] before it got high-pitched and whiny. But it was still tolerable there, because it gave the two some DivergentCharacterEvolution, there was just more comedic potential in a dumb fairy than a smart one, and despite Wanda becoming the smart one, they were both about equally spacey -- so Wanda never really got self-righteous or indignant at her husband's idiocy, and it was easier to laugh along with both of them.
** For many, the most glaring element of the show's downfall was it [[CousinOliver constantly adding in new main characters]]. The first addition, baby Poof, was at least somewhat tolerated because he was the only one at the time, his reason for being (Cosmo and Wanda wanting a baby of their own) made some sense, and the writers appeared to be putting ''some effort'' into exploring what he brought to the table. That same goodwill couldn't be extended to ''another'' new character, Sparky the talking fairy dog. Not only did he give the impression that Timmy was retreating into a magical double life instead of brightening his own, but [[TheScrappy Sparky didn't exactly win over fans on his own merits]]. Not more than a season later, there would be a ''third'' addition to the godfamily in the form of Chloe Carmichael, a kid who Timmy had to share his godparents with -- the reason for that requiring a lot of {{ass pull}}ing. On top of that, Poof was PutOnABus and Sparky was simply written out without explanation, making it all too easy to assume that the show was running on fumes.
* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': A lot of the shows divisive elements have always been there.
** Later seasons have been criticized for [[ArcFatigue rushing their story arcs]]. This can be seen in Season 2, the search for Malachite, despite all the buildup, is only given one episode in between ''Jailbreak'' and its resolution in Season 3. The difference there is that the season still had plenty of story to tell, specifically [[spoiler:the threat of the Cluster, and Peridot's HeelFaceTurn]], still considered by many to be two of the show's best story lines. When Seasons 3-5 had no real story episodes inbetween their story arcs, the problem became harder to ignore.
** The sheer amount of human-centric episodes, most of which have [[{{Filler}} no real bearing on the overal plot]], has been a sore spot for many. Most fans gave it a slide in Season 1, because the shows main plot had yet to reveal itself, and the next season only had about 6 episodes not related to the plot. Then later seasons brought back the Half-and-half approach, to mixed results.
** As Robobuddies argues in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaR8KO4VFPM "The Steven Universe Rant"]], the show had a habit of subverting many genre tropes by turning them on their head. While this worked for the more overused and obnoxious tropes along with the more dramatic ones in small doses as jokes, the latter became far more frequent, meaning there would just be more and more wasted potential for interesting plotlines and killing off any sense of drama.
* ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes''
** WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that Bugs had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the average ''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and petulant (the cover image in his [[WesternAnimation/BugsBunny trope page]] is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.
** Quite similarly WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck was made into a more over confident and self indulgent character quite early on, long before Chuck Jones retooled him into a egotistical {{foil}} for Bugs. However, this was only to give him some degree of pathos and motivation compared to the [[ScrewySquirrel one-dimensional heckler]] he was in his most earliest shorts by Creator/TexAvery, and even after Jones' retool, harks back to his wackier more competent characterisation remerged every now and then. Similar to Bugs however, Daffy traded many hands, with most trying too hard to emulate the frustration of Jones' version, Flanderizing him into a pompous bitter antagonist with an almost NonIndicativeName.
* ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether'' was ''never'' to everyone's tastes, being [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark one of the most unabashedly trashy shows]] on UsefulNotes/{{Television}}. The thing is, earlier seasons had a few surprisingly heartfelt moments that, combined with the show's "take nothing seriously" attitude, gave it a sense of sincerity. That became lost when the third season put more focus on its VulgarHumor and how {{unsympathetic|ComedyProtagonist}} the cast could be. This came to a head in the GrandFinale, which not only took the raunchiness UpToEleven to the point that it came off as mean-spirited, but also clumsily tried to ''justify'' it.
* Some of the biggest complaints that fans have with ''WesternAnimation/PlanetSheen'' can be traced back to the ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutronBoyGenius'':
** Many fans complained about Sheen’s new characterisation. CharacterExaggeration led to him becoming incredibly [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist selfish, obnoxious and uncaring towards his friends]]. These numerous flaws made it hard for audiences to root for or sympathise with him as the protagonist. In the original series Jimmy himself had a quite abrasive personality, being smug, somewhat lazy, opinionated and selfish. However, Jimmy still possessed enough redeeming and sympathetic traits such as his bravery, loyalty and compassion that audiences could look past this. Likewise, he often had to pay for his mistakes. All together, this made him a more relatable and deeper character. Sheen, on the other hand, not only never had to bear the brunt of his flaws, always getting away totally scot-free [[IdiotHoudini regardless of the damage he caused]], but also lost all his redeeming traits save a shallow friendliness, making him come across as a purely self-centred jerk.
** Sheen’s newfound extreme arrogance in particular was called out by many fans as making the character to unlikable. In all his appearances Jimmy was also incredibly arrogant, with him regularly acting like he was smartest man in the world and always knew what was best. However, from the [[WesternAnimation/JimmyNeutronBoyGenius original movie]] Jimmy's pride was always presented as his FatalFlaw, with his ignoring other people’s warnings often causing his problems and him regularly being forced to admit he was wrong and needed others’ help. Likewise, Jimmy was, well [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin a boy genius]], capable of casually building revolutionary technology whilst living in a town full of gullible and foolish people, thus believing he was smarter than everyone else was somewhat understandable, if not accurate. Sheen, meanwhile, was constantly portrayed as a complete idiot who often made things worse than he found them, yet still acted like he knew what was best. Thus, he would regularly ignore everyone’s warnings and do things which were incredibly stupid, [[NeverMyFault then blame them for not telling him when things went wrong]].
** One complaint that many fans bring up is that Sheen often causes the very problems of the episode. This was a regular plot from the start, with many problems stemming from Jimmy’s arrogance or mistakes. In the movie, it’s Jimmy’s space beacon that leads to all the parents being kidnapped by the Yokieans, and a recurring plot for the series was his inventions going wrong and causing misery for himself and others. It worked here, as Jimmy would always work tirelessly to undo the damage he had caused and was regularly called out for it (to the point that it was almost a recurring joke that his many mishaps had made him unpopular with the town). Sheen, meanwhile, often brought misery upon others through his sheer stupidity, arrogance or refusal to listen to common sense, then would come out on top due to the efforts of others or sheer dumb luck. Afterwards he would refuse to take any responsibility for his actions and yet was still celebrated as a hero. Whilst this was intended to be for laughs, it instead made the viewers dislike Sheen even more.

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