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* ADateWithRosiePalms: There's a scene where Ester masturbates. Given her bed-ridden state it's probably the only way she can get sexual stimulation, in contrast to her promiscuous sister.
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* {{Conlang}}: The unidentified language spoken and written in the film is Bergman's invention.
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* {{Conlang}}: The unidentified language spoken and written in the film is was created by Bergman's invention.ex-wife, Gun Grut, a professional translator herself.
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* BilingualBonus: Although most of the characters in the film speak the fictional Timokan language, the circus performers speak Spanish. The one complete line of dialogue their leader speaks (while breaking up the party with Johan) roughly translates to, "What is it in here, a mad house?"
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''Tystnaden'' is a 1963 film by Creator/IngmarBergman. Its English name is ''The Silence''. It features Bergman's household stars Creator/IngridThulin as Ester and Creator/GunnelLindblom as Anna, two sisters. Also starring is Jörgen Lindström playing the son of Anna.
The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by train then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. The viewer very often sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by train then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. The viewer very often sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
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''Tystnaden'' (''The Silence'') is a 1963 film by Creator/IngmarBergman. Its English name is ''The Silence''. It features Bergman's Creator/IngmarBergman featuring his household stars Creator/IngridThulin as Ester and Creator/GunnelLindblom as sisters Ester and Anna, two sisters. Also starring is with Jörgen Lindström playing as Anna's son Johan, who is the son point-of-view character for much of Anna.
the film.
Thefilm is set during three relatives are returning home from a voyage. Two sisters first go summer holiday by train then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. night train, but Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is ill, so they stop at Timoka, a Central European town in an unnamed nation implied to be on the brink of war, despite neither of them speaking the local language. The sexually active. active, free-spirited Anna is uninterested in ministering to Ester tries and instead goes into town, where she hooks up with a cafe waiter, while Johan is left with his aunt, who makes awkward attempts to discipline her sister although the bond with him. Anna later tells Ester that she resents her attempts to impose her morality on her, despite Ester's pleas that she was acting out of sisterly love. The next morning, Anna and Johan board another train home while Ester, whose health has a boy who travels with them. The viewer very often sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
deteriorated rapidly, is left behind to die.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it for Anna even though both are clearly adult and it is the latter who is a mother in this film.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it tried to serve as a protective role model for Anna even though both are clearly adult adult, and it is the latter who is Ester's illness has pushed Anna into a mother in this film.more maternal role toward her older sister.
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* TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed: The elder sister suffers of it and experiences agonizing pains. [[spoiler:She survives until the end.]]
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Ester and Anna's discussion of the death of their father comes across as a rather thinly metaphor for faith.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Ester and Anna's discussion of the death of their father comes across as a rather thinly metaphor for faith.
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* TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed: The elder sister suffers Ester is terminally ill from an unnamed disease (implied to be a form of it cancer) and experiences agonizing pains. [[spoiler:She survives until the end.]]
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Ester and Anna's discussion of the death of their father comes across as a ratherthinly thinly-veiled metaphor for faith.
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* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Ester is clearly older, she also suffers of some unnamed disease. So there are causes for her to be responsible. Anna is flirtatious and light-spirited in comparison.
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* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Ester is clearly older, she also older and suffers of from some unnamed disease. So disease, so there are causes for her to be responsible. Anna is flirtatious and light-spirited in comparison.
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* IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace: To those who know Estonian, Timoka, the name of the city the characters stop at, is this, as it means "pertaining to the executioner". It may be a hint to Ester's fate at the end.
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* IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace: To those who know Estonian, Timoka, the name of the city the characters stop at, is this, as it means "pertaining to the executioner".executioner" in Estonian. It may be a hint to Ester's fate at the end.
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* LukeIMightBeYourFather: Ester's speech near the end about how semen made her stink like a rotten fish and how she could not take on "the role" strongly suggests that Johan may actually be her son, not Anna's. But her speech still uses vague enough wording that it might not be the case. As usual with Bergman, there are no clear answers.
* OddballInTheSeries: Unlike the first two films in the "silence of God trilogy", this one features no instance whatsoever of the characters discussing God. But the title is supposed to be an allusion to God's absence anyway.
* OneWordTitle: And a meaningful of that. The film makes part of the [[ThematicSeries "Silence of God Trilogy"]] alongside ''Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly'' and ''Film/WinterLight'', being its final installment. Thus a film becomes the titular one in the series.
* OntologicalMystery: Played with. While they do know how they got there and how to leave, they don't seem to know (or care) ''where'' they are, or make much of an attempt at working it out
* OddballInTheSeries: Unlike the first two films in the "silence of God trilogy", this one features no instance whatsoever of the characters discussing God. But the title is supposed to be an allusion to God's absence anyway.
* OneWordTitle: And a meaningful of that. The film makes part of the [[ThematicSeries "Silence of God Trilogy"]] alongside ''Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly'' and ''Film/WinterLight'', being its final installment. Thus a film becomes the titular one in the series.
* OntologicalMystery: Played with. While they do know how they got there and how to leave, they don't seem to know (or care) ''where'' they are, or make much of an attempt at working it out
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* LukeIMightBeYourFather: Ester's speech near the end about how semen made her stink like a rotten fish and how she could not take on "the role" strongly suggests that Johan may actually be her son, not Anna's. But Anna's, but her speech still uses vague enough wording that it might not be the case. As usual with Bergman, there are no clear answers.
* OddballInTheSeries: Unlike the first two films in the "silence of God trilogy", this one features no instance whatsoever of the characters discussingGod. But God, but the title is supposed to be an allusion to God's absence anyway.
* OneWordTitle:And a meaningful of that. The film makes is the third part of the [[ThematicSeries "Silence of God Trilogy"]] alongside ''Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly'' and ''Film/WinterLight'', being its final installment. Thus a film becomes the titular one in the series.
''Film/WinterLight''.
* OntologicalMystery: Played with. While they do know how they got there and how to leave, they don't seem to know (or care) ''where'' they are, or make much of an attempt at working itoutout.
* OddballInTheSeries: Unlike the first two films in the "silence of God trilogy", this one features no instance whatsoever of the characters discussing
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* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Justified because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
* UncertainDoom: At the end, Ester is left behind at the hotel while Anna and Johan go back home. Ester is in very poor condition due to her disease, but whether she dies or not is up to interpretation.
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* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Justified because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
* UncertainDoom: At the end, Ester is left behind at the hotel while Anna and Johan go back home. Ester is in very poor condition due to her disease, but whether she dies or not is up tointerpretation.interpretation.
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* HeatWave: The tension between the two sisters is emphasized by the high temperatures. The heat prompts Anna to go back home, leaving Ester to die alone.
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* OntologicalMystery: Played with. While they do know how they got there and how to leave, they don't seem to know (or care) ''where'' they are, or make much of an attempt at working it out.
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* RealityHasNoSubtitles: Neither the fictional language of the unnamed country the sisters stay in nor the Spanish spoken by the dwarf performers is subtitled.
* RealityHasNoSubtitles: Neither the fictional language of the unnamed country the sisters stay in nor the Spanish spoken by the dwarf performers is subtitled.
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* TheAlcoholic: Ester.
* BadVibrations: The tank that shows up on the street below causes first a teacup and then the entire room to shake.
* BadVibrations: The tank that shows up on the street below causes first a teacup and then the entire room to shake.
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* CunningLinguist: Ester is a translator, and tries communicating with the waiter in English, French and German before resorting to BodyLanguage. She starts trying to figure out the Foreign Language, but is soon too sick/drunk/sad to bother.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Ester and Anna's discussion of the death of their father comes across as a rather thinly metaphor for faith.
-->'''Anna:''' When Father died, you said "I don't want to live anymore." Why are you alive, anyway? For me? For Johan? Maybe for your work? Or for nothing in particular?
-->'''Anna:''' When Father died, you said "I don't want to live anymore." Why are you alive, anyway? For me? For Johan? Maybe for your work? Or for nothing in particular?
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* HellHotel: [[MindScrew Possibly]] a literal case.
* HidingBehindTheLanguageBarrier: Anna uses the fact that her lover doesn't understand a word of what she's saying to open up about her feelings about her sister.
* HidingBehindTheLanguageBarrier: Anna uses the fact that her lover doesn't understand a word of what she's saying to open up about her feelings about her sister.
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* LanguageBarrier: The only word Ester and the waiter have in common is "music".
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* OntologicalMystery: Played with. While they do know how they got there and how to leave, they don't seem to know (or care) ''where'' they are, or make much of an attempt at working it out.
* {{Ruritania}}: Timoka appears to be set here. The characters don't even seem to know what country they're in, simply calling the language "the foreign language".
* {{Ruritania}}: Timoka appears to be set here. The characters don't even seem to know what country they're in, simply calling the language "the foreign language".
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* AbandonedArea: The hotel is enormous but seems to have hardly anyone in it except Anna, Ester, Johan, and a troupe of Spanish little people.
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''Tystnaden'' is a 1963 film by Creator/IngmarBergman. Its English name is ''The Silence''. It features Bergman's household stars Creator/IngridThulin as Ester and Gunnel Lindblom Creator/GunnelLindblom as Anna, two sisters. Also starring is Jörgen Lindström playing the son of Anna.
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''Tystnaden'' is a 1963 film by Creator/IngmarBergman. Its English name is ''The Silence''. It features Bergman's household stars Ingrid Thulin Creator/IngridThulin as Ester and Gunnel Lindblom as Anna, two sisters. Also starring is Jörgen Lindström playing the son of Anna.
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* DyingAlone: A very ill Ester is left behind by her sister and nephew at the end. Having only a man who doesn't speak a language she can understand for company, dying alone is most likely her final fate.
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* {{Conlang}}: The unidentified language spoken and written in the film is Bergman's invention.
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* IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace: To those who know Estonian, Timoka, the name of the city the characters stop at, is this, as it means "pertaining to the executioner". It may be a hint to Ester's fate at the end.
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* AmbiguousSituation: Ester's speech near the end about how semen made her stink like a rotten fish and how she could not take on "the role" strongly suggests that Johan may actually be her son, not Anna's. As usual with Bergman, there are no clear answers.
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* LukeIMightBeYourFather: Ester's speech near the end about how semen made her stink like a rotten fish and how she could not take on "the role" strongly suggests that Johan may actually be her son, not Anna's. But her speech still uses vague enough wording that it might not be the case. As usual with Bergman, there are no clear answers.
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* OddballInTheSeries: Unlike the first two films in the "silence of God trilogy", this one features no instance whatsoever of the characters discussing God. But the title is supposed to be an allusion to God's absence anyway.
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* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Justified because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
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* UncertainDoom: At the end, Ester is left behind at the hotel while Anna and Johan go back home. Ester is in very poor condition due to her disease, but whether she dies or not is up to interpretation.
* UncertainDoom: At the end, Ester is left behind at the hotel while Anna and Johan go back home. Ester is in very poor condition due to her disease, but whether she dies or not is up to interpretation.
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* AmbiguousSituation: Ester's speech near the end about how semen made her stink like a rotten fish and how she could not take on "the role" strongly suggests that Johan may actually be her son, not Anna's. As usual with Bergman, there are no clear answers.
* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it for Anna even though both are clearly adult and it is the latter who is a mother in this film.
* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it for Anna even though both are clearly adult and it is the latter who is a mother in this film.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: There's a scene where Ester masturbates. Given her bed-ridden state it's probably the only way she can get sexual stimulation, in contrast to her promiscuous sister.
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* TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed: the elder sister suffers of it and experiences agonizing pains. [[spoiler: She survives until the end.]]
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* HotterAndSexier: This movie enclused several erotically charged scenes, it is a Bergman's movie on sex.
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* HotterAndSexier: This movie enclused several erotically charged scenes, it is film has quite a Bergman's movie few more graphic sex scenes than your average Bergman.
* IncestSubtext: The way Ester begs Anna not to go see her lover and how she kisses her onsex.the cheek suggests that Ester's feelings for her younger sister are of a more sordid nature.
* IncestSubtext: The way Ester begs Anna not to go see her lover and how she kisses her on
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* OneWordTitle: And a meaningful of that. The film makes part of the "silence of God trilogy" alongside Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly and Winter Light, being its final installment. Thus a film becomes the titular one in the series.
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* OneWordTitle: And a meaningful of that. The film makes part of the "silence of God trilogy" alongside Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly ''Film/ThroughAGlassDarkly'' and Winter Light, ''Film/WinterLight'', being its final installment. Thus a film becomes the titular one in the series.
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The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by trains then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. Very often the viewer sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
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The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by trains train then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. Very often the The viewer very often sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it for Anna even though both are cleatrly adult and it is the latter who is a mother in this film.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Ester has it for Anna even though both are cleatrly clearly adult and it is the latter who is a mother in this film.
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* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Talk is for nothing because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
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* HotterAndSexies: This movie enclused several erotically charged scenes, it is a Bergman's movie on sex.
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Tystnaden is a 1963 film by Ingmar Bergman its Creator/IngmarBergman. Its English name is Silence. It features Bergman's household stars Ingrid Thulin as Ester and Gunnel Lindblom as Anna, two sisters. Also starring is Jörgen Lindström playing the son of Anna.
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Tystnaden is a 1963 film by Ingmar Bergman its English name is Silence. It features Bergman's household stars Ingrid Thulin as Ester and Gunnel Lindblom as Anna, two sisters. Also starring is Jörgen Lindström playing the son of Anna.
The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by trains then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. Very often the viewer sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
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* TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed: the elder sister suffers of it and experiences agonizing pains. [[spoiler: She survives until the end.]]
* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Ester is clearly older, she also suffers of some unnamed disease. So there are causes for her to be responsible. Anna is flirtatious and light-spirited in comparison.
* HotterAndSexies: This movie enclused several erotically charged scenes, it is a Bergman's movie on sex.
* LittlePeopleAreSurreal: Indeed the dwarves who appear in the film render it a surreal mood.
* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Talk is for nothing because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
The film is set during a voyage. Two sisters first go by trains then they arrive at a town and stop at a hotel. Ester is seriously ill and she suffers from pain. Anna enjoys her life and is sexually active. Ester tries to discipline her sister although the later has a boy who travels with them. Very often the viewer sees the events from the eyes of the boy.
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* TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed: the elder sister suffers of it and experiences agonizing pains. [[spoiler: She survives until the end.]]
* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Ester is clearly older, she also suffers of some unnamed disease. So there are causes for her to be responsible. Anna is flirtatious and light-spirited in comparison.
* HotterAndSexies: This movie enclused several erotically charged scenes, it is a Bergman's movie on sex.
* LittlePeopleAreSurreal: Indeed the dwarves who appear in the film render it a surreal mood.
* TanksForNothing: Suddenly a tank can be seen in the street. Talk is for nothing because it appears once and it does not have any effect on the plot.
