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** Jack and Rose sing the song "Come Josephine in My Flying Machine." One of Rose's photos shows her climbing into the cockpit of a Curtiss JN biplane.
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** Robert Hitchens is portrayed as one. While his arguments for not saving anymore people are logical, his body language(and the script and commentary) heavily imply that he refused to go back out of fear for his own safety rather than anyone else’s. The fact that he becomes increasingly stubborn and paranoid as the film goes on only confirms this.

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** Robert Hitchens Hichens is portrayed as one. While his arguments for not saving anymore people are logical, his body language(and language (and the script and commentary) heavily imply that he refused to go back out of fear for his own safety rather than anyone else’s. The fact that he becomes increasingly stubborn and paranoid as the film goes on only confirms this.
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* HateSink: A lot of them, such as most of the crew and First Class passengers. But the big ones are Cal, Lovejoy, Ruth, Ismay and Hichens.
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** Robert Hitchens is portrayed as one. While his arguments for not saving anymore people are logical, his body language(and the script and commentary) heavily imply that he refused to go back out of fear for his own safety rather than anyone else’s. The fact that he becomes increasingly stubborn and paranoid as the film goes on only confirms this.
** One young man from steerage is caught hiding under a blanket in a lifeboat, pretending to be a woman.
** Caledon Hockley attempts to charm, bribe, force and manipulate his way into a lifeboat. Sadly, his last attempt succeeds, [[AccidentalHero though he accidentally saves the little girl as well, by placing her into a boat.]]
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** Happens literally when supporting characters like the Master-at-Arms, followed by the Dahl family are literally dropping to their deaths when they lose their grip on the railing and hit the ship or drown in the ocean.
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** Coming from Molly Brown's cabin on E Deck, Jack enters the Grand Staircase from the boat deck level and is on the A Deck landing when he sees Rose. However, her cabin is on B Deck, one level below.
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* BreakTheComedian: Molly Brown spends most of the voyage with a chipper attitude and a sense of humor, even during the early moments of the sinking she tries to keep a cool head until the final moments where she's clearly shaken from witnessing the chaos and despair from her lifeboat. She gets even worse after she tries to convince the officer and the women on her boat to go back and rescue the people in the water, only to be shot down by the officer.
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* NoodleIncident: After Brock finds that the diamond isn't in the safe, Lewis says "The same thing happened to Geraldo, and his career never recovered." However, this is actually a reference to when Creator/GeraldoRivera opened a vault belonging to UsefulNotes/AlCapone in a much-hyped television special in 1986, only to find that there was nothing inside.
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'''Rose:''' ''(beat)'' I am THROUGH being polite, goddamnit!! (shoves the man into the elevator) Now, take me down!!

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'''Rose:''' ''(beat)'' I am THROUGH being polite, goddamnit!! (shoves ''(shoves the man into the elevator) elevator)'' Now, take me down!!
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** Cal: "It's the goddamn English doing everything by the book!"
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* PragmaticVillainy: Possibly the only noble thing Cal does in the film is rescuing the crying girl by getting her into a lifeboat. Obviously this was just to save his own hide by pretending to be the girl's single father. The girl is still seen in Cal's boat after the sinking but it's [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse unknown what happened to her once they got on the Carpathia.]]
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** When Rose is searching for someone to help her get Jack out of the Master at Arms office, she comes across a panicking Russian man. When she tries to talk to him, he just says "Nyet, nyet." and runs off.
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** Jack telling Rose that falling into freezing water feels like being stabbed by "a thousand knives" comes from a testimony by Lightoller who described himself going into the water during the sinking with the same analogy.
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The film, after a well-publicized production cycle that overran its budget and schedule with the film ending up costing $200 million to produce, casting doubts on its box office chances, was released in theaters on December 19, 1997. Its original theatrical run lasted more than nine months, not ending until October 1, 1998. It was number-one at the American box office for a still-standing record of fifteen consecutive weeks[[note]]''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'' is the record holder for cumulative weeks at number one with 16[[/note]], finally knocked off by ''Film/LostInSpace'' on the first weekend of April 1998. Many of its longevity weekend records still stand today even with over two decades of inflation. It was the first film in history to gross over $1 billion; in the quarter-century since, it has been joined in that lofty club by over 50 other films, it's still one of only a handful of billion-dollar grossers to be stand-alone, as opposed to being part of a series, franchise or cinematic universe.[[note]]The only others being ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'', ''WesternAnimation/Frozen2013''.[[/note]]

It's one of the few films of such significant length (195 minutes) that when it was released on VHS, it needed ''two cassettes'' to contain the entire film, and several passes on the disc format to get it on one disc at high quality (see VisualCompression below). As of 2020, it is the 3rd highest-grossing movie of all time, both in raw numbers[[note]]passed only by ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' and Cameron's own ''Film/{{Avatar}}''[[/note]] and adjusted for inflation.[[note]]''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' takes the top spot while ''Avengers: Endgame'' drops to fourth[[/note]]

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The film, after a well-publicized production cycle that overran its budget and schedule with the film ending up costing $200 million to produce, casting doubts on its box office chances, was released in theaters on December 19, 1997. Its original theatrical run lasted more than nine months, not ending until October 1, 1998. It was number-one at the American box office for a still-standing record of fifteen consecutive weeks[[note]]''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'' is the record holder for cumulative weeks at number one with 16[[/note]], a nonconsecutive 16 weeks[[/note]], finally knocked off by ''Film/LostInSpace'' on the first weekend of April 1998. Many of its longevity weekend records still stand today even with over two decades of inflation. It was the first film in history to gross over $1 billion; in the quarter-century since, it has been joined in that lofty club by over 50 other films, it's still one of only a handful of billion-dollar grossers to be stand-alone, as opposed to being part of a series, franchise or cinematic universe.[[note]]The only others being ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'', ''WesternAnimation/Frozen2013''.[[/note]]

It's one of the few films of such significant length (195 minutes) that when it was released on VHS, it needed ''two cassettes'' to contain the entire film, and several passes on the disc format to get it on one disc at high quality (see VisualCompression below). As of 2020, 2023, it is the 3rd 4th highest-grossing movie of all time, both in raw numbers[[note]]passed only by ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' and Cameron's own ''Film/{{Avatar}}''[[/note]] ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' and ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater''[[/note]] and adjusted for inflation.[[note]]''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' takes the top spot while ''Avengers: Endgame'' drops to fourth[[/note]]

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* WhamShot: Downplayed example, but [[spoiler: Cal leaving his stateroom for the last time during the sinking -- and removing the Heart of the Ocean from the safe before locking it. This explicitly confirms the Diamond ''wasn't'' in the safe during the sinking and ''when'' specifically it was removed. Cameron also intentionally stages it so that your attention's on the safe itself rather than on the more important action (i.e. Cal pocketing the Diamond in his coat).]]



* WhamShot: Downplayed example, but [[spoiler: Cal leaving his stateroom for the last time during the sinking -- and removing the Heart of the Ocean from the safe before locking it. This explicitly confirms the Diamond ''wasn't'' in the safe during the sinking and ''when'' specifically it was removed. Cameron also intentionally stages it so that your attention's on the safe itself rather than on the more important action (i.e. Cal pocketing the Diamond in his coat).]]

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* ExpyCoexistence: The Heart of the Ocean shares an identical backstory to the Hope Diamond, which was cut from a diamond belonging to the King of France that was known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown or French Blue and disappeared in 1792 during the revolution before getting recut. Brock refers to the Hope Diamond by name as well, saying that the Heart of the Ocean would be far more valuable if it was found.

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* ExpyCoexistence: The Heart of the Ocean shares an identical backstory to the Hope Diamond, which was cut from a diamond belonging to the King of France that was known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown or French Blue and disappeared in 1792 during the revolution before getting recut.revolution. Brock refers to the Hope Diamond by name as well, saying that the Heart of the Ocean would be far more valuable if it was found.



* MacGuffin: The Heart of the Ocean.

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* MacGuffin: The Heart of the Ocean. The framing device is centered around Brock and his team trying to find it.


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* OffWithHisHead: Referenced. Brock mentions that the Blue Diamond of the Crown, which later became the Heart of the Ocean, disappeared in 1792, about the same time King Louis XVI "lost everything from the neck up."

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* CreatorsCultureCarryover: When Rose asks Thomas Andrews where she may find Jack, he tells her to take the ''elevator'' to the bottom, despite being an Irishman who would say ''lift''. In the following scene, a crewman does indeed correctly say "lifts." Then again, Andrews may have said it for Rose's benefit, since she's American.



** And let's not forget when Rose and Jack attempt to save a stranded boy in third class as the water is rushing in, soon to be retrieved by his father -- only to head right to where the water's pouring in...

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** And let's not forget when Rose and Jack attempt to save a stranded boy in third class as the water is rushing in, soon to be retrieved by his father -- only to head right to where the water's pouring in...in.



* WeAllLiveInAmerica: When Rose asks Thomas Andrews where she may find Jack, he tells her to take the ''elevator'' to the bottom, despite being an Irishman who would say ''lift''. In the following scene, a crewman does indeed correctly say "lifts." Then again, Andrews may have said it for Rose's benefit, since she's American.
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* ExpyCoexistence: The Heart of the Ocean shares an identical backstory to the Hope Diamond, which was cut from a diamond belonging to the King of France that was known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown or French Blue and disappeared in 1792 during the revolution. Brock refers to the Hope Diamond by name as well, saying that the Heart of the Ocean would be worth more than it if it was found.

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* ExpyCoexistence: The Heart of the Ocean shares an identical backstory to the Hope Diamond, which was cut from a diamond belonging to the King of France that was known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown or French Blue and disappeared in 1792 during the revolution. revolution before getting recut. Brock refers to the Hope Diamond by name as well, saying that the Heart of the Ocean would be worth far more than it valuable if it was found.
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* EpicMovie: The film is truly grand in scale as it aims to create the RMS ''Titanic'' and the sinking.

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* EpicMovie: The film is truly grand in scale as it aims to create recreate the RMS ''Titanic'' and the sinking.

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* EpicMovieEpicMovie: The film is truly grand in scale as it aims to create the RMS ''Titanic'' and the sinking.



* ExpyCoexistence: The Heart of the Ocean shares an identical backstory to the Hope Diamond, which was cut from a diamond belonging to the King of France that was known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown or French Blue and disappeared in 1792 during the revolution. Brock refers to the Hope Diamond by name as well, saying that the Heart of the Ocean would be worth more than it if it was found.



* FiveSecondForeshadowing: Near the end, Brock throws his celebratory cigar (which he was saving for when he found the diamond) into the ocean after accepting that he'll never find the diamond. [[spoiler:Rose similarly throws the diamond into the ocean a few minutes later.]]



** Near the end, Brock throws his celebratory cigar (which he was saving for when he found the diamond) into the ocean after accepting that he'll never find the diamond. [[spoiler:Rose similarly throws the diamond into the ocean a few minutes later.]]
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* LockedOutOfTheLoop: [[spoiler: The Calverts knew nothing of Rose's true origins. She never spoke to her husband or to her children and grandchildren about her presence on the ''Titanic'' or about Jack Dawson. Learning all of this is just as much of a surprise for them (or at least them as represented by Lizzy) as it is for Brock and his team.]]

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* OutOfFocus: As is the case with most ''Titanic'' stories, Third Officer Pitman is not given any lines or characterization. This is due to Pitman being one of the first people to evacuate, therefor not being present for many important moments.

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As is the case with most ''Titanic'' stories, Third Officer Pitman is not given any lines or characterization. This is due to Pitman being one of the first people to evacuate, therefor not being present for many important moments.

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* POVCam: We briefly see Rose's eye view as she runs down the hall on E deck.
** Again when she sees the life boat when she's on the door.

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** The first view of the iceberg is done this way.
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We briefly see Rose's eye view as she runs down the hall on E deck.
** Again when she sees the life boat lifeboat when she's on the door.
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** Rose and Jack arguably bear some culpability for the sinking. Their giggling and making out on the deck catches the eyes and amusement of the lookouts (and Murdoch too). If they hadn't been watching the young lovers' antics, they might have sighted the iceberg about sooner and avoided it in time.

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** Rose and Jack arguably bear some culpability for the sinking. Their giggling and making out on the deck catches the eyes and amusement of the lookouts (and Murdoch too). If they hadn't been watching the young lovers' antics, they might have sighted the iceberg about sooner and avoided it in time. However, if you look closely, the iceberg is just coming into view when we see the lookouts' POV, making it doubtful Jack and Rose had much of an impact on the sighting.



*** Debatble. [[spoiler: Cal was going to leave Jack to die on the ship (or even alternately have had Lovejoy quietly kill /knock Jack out just to be sure). There's no garuntee Jack would have taken refugee on the stern during the final sinking, that he'd had survived long enough to make it into the water, or if he'd have been able to find the floating door or another piece of debris.]]

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*** Debatble.Debatable. [[spoiler: Cal was going to leave Jack to die on the ship (or even alternately have had Lovejoy quietly kill /knock Jack out just to be sure). There's no garuntee guarantee Jack would have taken refugee on the stern during the final sinking, that he'd had survived long enough to make it into the water, or if he'd have been able to find the floating door or another piece of debris.]]
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** Rose and Jack arguably bear some culpability for the sinking. Their giggling and making out on the deck catches the eyes and amusement of the lookouts (and Murdoch too). If they hadn't been watching the young lovers' antics, they might have sighted the iceberg about a minute sooner and avoided it in time.

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** Rose and Jack arguably bear some culpability for the sinking. Their giggling and making out on the deck catches the eyes and amusement of the lookouts (and Murdoch too). If they hadn't been watching the young lovers' antics, they might have sighted the iceberg about a minute sooner and avoided it in time.



** Debatble. [[spoiler: Cal was going to leave Jack to die on the ship (or even alternately have had Lovejoy quietly kill /knock Jack out just to be sure). There's no garuntee Jack would have taken refugee on the stern during the final sinking, that he'd had survived long enough to make it into the water, or if he'd have been able to find the floating door or another piece of debris.]]

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** *** Debatble. [[spoiler: Cal was going to leave Jack to die on the ship (or even alternately have had Lovejoy quietly kill /knock Jack out just to be sure). There's no garuntee Jack would have taken refugee on the stern during the final sinking, that he'd had survived long enough to make it into the water, or if he'd have been able to find the floating door or another piece of debris.]]
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* DidntSeeThatComing: [[spoiler: Brock and company were so (justifiably from their research) convinced the Heart of the Ocean sank with ''Titanic'' that they never foresaw the possibility that it ''hadn't'' gone down with the ship and thus ''wouldn''t be in Hockley's safe.]]

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* DidntSeeThatComing: [[spoiler: Brock and company were so (justifiably from their research) convinced the Heart of the Ocean sank with ''Titanic'' that they never foresaw the possibility that it ''hadn't'' gone down with the ship and thus ''wouldn''t ''wouldn't'' be in Hockley's safe.]]
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** Debatble. [[spoiler: Cal was going to leave Jack to die on the ship (or even alternately have had Lovejoy quietly kill /knock Jack out just to be sure). There's no garuntee Jack would have taken refugee on the stern during the final sinking, that he'd had survived long enough to make it into the water, or if he'd have been able to find the floating door or another piece of debris.]]
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* DidntSeeThatComing: [[spoiler: Brock and company were so (justifiably from their research) convinced the Heart of the Ocean sank with ''Titanic'' that they never foresaw the possibility that it ''hadn't'' gone down with the ship and thus ''wouldn''t be in Hockley's safe.]]
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* AllForNothing: [[spoiler:For Brock and his crew, who spent years researching ''Titanic'' to find the Heart of the Ocean, but they never find it because Rose doesn't tell them she had it. In the alternate ending, they do find out and watch her drop it into the ocean, causing Brock to laugh.]]
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* YouHaveToBelieveMe: Jack tries to convince Rose that she knows, deep down, that he didn't take the diamond.

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