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* BeingGoodSucks:
** The four years of non-stop superheroing have really taken their toll on Marinette: she can't leave Paris for even a day for fear of an akuma attack, severely limiting her options for college, and she's lost several jobs due to vanishing every time Ladybug is needed, all of which contributes to her desperation to see the whole thing finally ''end''.

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BeingGoodSucks: The four years of non-stop superheroing have really taken their toll on Marinette: she can't leave Paris for even a day for fear of an akuma attack, severely limiting her options for college, and she's lost several jobs due to vanishing every time Ladybug is needed, all of which contributes to her desperation to see the whole thing finally ''end''.
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* ExactWords: When Adrien says he won't hurt a demon, he "can't imagine being instantly obliterated is very painful".
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* EvilPowerVacuum: With Hawkmoth gone, other villains showed up to terrorize Paris and it reaches a level Alya says Hawkmoth used to keep paris safe from them just by being around.

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* EvilPowerVacuum: With Hawkmoth gone, other villains showed up to terrorize Paris and it reaches a level Alya says Hawkmoth used to keep paris Paris safe from them just by being around.
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* EvilPowerVacuum: With Hawkmoth gone, other villains showed up to terrorize Paris and it reaches a level Alya says Hawkmoth used to keep paris safe from them just by being around.
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* DivorceAssetsConflict: Andre signed over his hotels to Chloé to avoid losing them to her mother during their divorce.
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* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: When Gabriel asks how Ladybug found out he's Hawkmoth, she says she ''wasn't'' peeping in his son's room and ''didn't'' accidentally see him transform.

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* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: When In the abridged version, when Gabriel asks how Ladybug found out he's Hawkmoth, she says she ''wasn't'' peeping in his son's room and ''didn't'' accidentally see him transform.
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* StrangeMindsThinkAlike: In the abridged version, Ladybug screams "Sacre-tittyfucking- ''bleu!"'' when she finds out Gabriel Agreste is Hawkmoth and he cries the same expression upon learning she knows.


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* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: When Gabriel asks how Ladybug found out he's Hawkmoth, she says she ''wasn't'' peeping in his son's room and ''didn't'' accidentally see him transform.
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* RegretfulTraitor: Marinette never exactly ''stops'' regretting that she and Chat Noir are on opposite sides now- she's just ''very'' good at [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convincing herself]] that it was ''Chat'' who had betrayed ''her'' by [[NeverMyFault not having her back]], or that she hasn't done anything to him that can't be [[MustMakeAmends fixed]] as soon as [[WellIntentionedExtremist she gets his ring]]. [[spoiler: By the final chapter, Marinette has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone fully realized what she had done to her partner]], and admits that on some level, she was convinced that [[BecauseYouCanCope he could survive whatever she threw at him]].]]

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* RegretfulTraitor: Marinette never exactly ''stops'' regretting that she and Chat Noir are on opposite sides now- she's just ''very'' good at [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convincing herself]] that it was ''Chat'' who had betrayed ''her'' by [[NeverMyFault not having her back]], or that she hasn't done anything to him that can't be [[MustMakeAmends fixed]] as soon as [[WellIntentionedExtremist she gets his ring]]. [[spoiler: By the final chapter, Marinette has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone fully realized what the damage that she had done to her partner]], done]], and admits that on some level, she was convinced that [[BecauseYouCanCope he Chat Noir could survive whatever she threw at him]].him]], so she had prioritized [[SecretlySelfish her own concerns]] above his wellbeing.]]
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* RegretfulTraitor: Marinette never exactly ''stops'' regretting that she and Chat Noir are on opposite sides now- she's just ''very'' good at [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convincing herself]] that it was ''Chat'' who had betrayed ''her'' by [[NeverMyFault not having her back]], or that she hasn't done anything to him that can't be [[MustMakeAmends fixed]] as soon as [[WellIntentionedExtremist she gets his ring]]. [[spoiler: By the final chapter, Marinette has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone fully realized what she had done to her partner]], and admits that on some level, she was convinced that [[BecauseYouCanCope he could survive whatever she threw at him]].]]
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** From the very beginning, Gabriel was focused always and only on subverting [[TheAce Ladybug]] to his side. First, he informed her that [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]] couldn't be trusted to keep his cool and think rationally if he was let into the negotiations. Next, he suggested that Ladybug would be able to [[UnderestimatingBadassery get the ring within an hour]] if she attempted to by ''[[CuttingTheKnot force]].'' Finally, he [[EvilMentor advises her]] that she's been ''too lenient'' in merely [[spoiler: [[MaliciousSlander framing Chat Noir for joining Hawkmoth]],]] since [[BrutalHonesty her decisions have already ensured that her partner will]] ''[[BrutalHonesty not]]'' share their "[[EarnYourHappyEnding happy ending]]." Being [[ConsummateLiar Gabriel]], it's [[AmbiguousSituation hard to tell]] how he ''really'' feels about Chat Noir, but he eventually [[spoiler: clears the way for [[PsychoSupporter Mayura]] to murder him, knowing that the Hero of Destruction {{Determinator would never stop}} until Hawkmoth was defeated.]] Naturally, Gabriel is ''[[ThisCannotBe horrified]]'' to learn that he'd been actively working to ruin his own son's life, [[spoiler: and had even given the green light for his ''murder,'']] and is left [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes stammering that he "never would have" if he'd known]].

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** From the very beginning, Gabriel was focused always and only on subverting [[TheAce Ladybug]] to his side. First, he informed her that [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]] couldn't be trusted to keep his cool and think rationally if he was let into the negotiations. Next, he suggested that Ladybug would be able to [[UnderestimatingBadassery get the ring within an hour]] if she attempted to by ''[[CuttingTheKnot force]].'' Finally, he [[EvilMentor advises her]] that she's been ''too lenient'' in merely [[spoiler: [[MaliciousSlander framing Chat Noir for joining Hawkmoth]],]] since [[BrutalHonesty her decisions have already ensured that her partner will]] ''[[BrutalHonesty not]]'' share their "[[EarnYourHappyEnding happy ending]]." Being [[ConsummateLiar Gabriel]], it's [[AmbiguousSituation hard to tell]] how he ''really'' feels about Chat Noir, but he eventually [[spoiler: clears the way for [[PsychoSupporter Mayura]] to murder him, knowing that the Hero of Destruction {{Determinator [[{{Determinator}} would never stop}} stop]] until Hawkmoth was defeated.]] Naturally, Gabriel is ''[[ThisCannotBe horrified]]'' to learn that he'd been actively working to ruin his own son's life, [[spoiler: and had even given the green light for his ''murder,'']] and is left [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes stammering that he "never would have" if he'd known]].
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** In general, Alya failed to consider some of the consequences of Team Paris' ChoosingNeutrality plan. Namely, after "Alya Cesaire" posted [[MaliciousSlander Ladybug's article]] while disregarding the evidence Chat Noir provided, she [[EtTuBrute lost all credibility]] with Chat and his allies. Meanwhile, Chat was willing to take "Rena Rouge's" information on patrol routes- but between Ladybug's skill as TheStrategist, Rena's [[BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible dubious reliability]], and her high standards for "undeniable evidence" re: Ladybug's guilt, Chat was ''not'' interested in taking her into his confidence in turn. Alya may be an IntrepidReporter, but she effectively put herself into a position where the investigation inevitably stalled until [[spoiler: [[ImplausibleDeniability Hawk Moth created an akuma who]] ''[[ImplausibleDeniability monologued to the whole city]]'' [[ImplausibleDeniability that Chat Noir had been making a nuisance of himself to Hawk Moth]].]]

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Baleful Polymorph was renamed per TRS


* BalefulPolymorph: [[spoiler:Gabriel's use of the Black Cat and Ladybug backfired like this: he has now been transformed into a [[KarmicTransformation giant purple moth monster]]]].


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* ForcedTransformation: [[spoiler:Gabriel's use of the Black Cat and Ladybug backfired like this: he has now been transformed into a [[KarmicTransformation giant purple moth monster]]]].
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-->-- Summary for Truth and Consequences.
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* BelievingTheirOwnLies: Marinette ends up telling a ‘’lot’’ of lies throughout her [[FaceHeelTurn alliance with Hawkmoth]], and many of the most insidious are to herself. The first and most damaging of these is that Chat Noir was being spiteful and irrational by refusing to go along with her plan to give Hawkmoth what he wants.
* BeneathTheMask: There’s a ‘’lot’’ going on behind Chat Noir’s image of a [[BumblingSidekick dorky sidekick]] who [[FightingClown never takes anything seriously]]. As his former partner, Ladybug knows and [[FlawExploitation exploits]] some of his depths- such as [[HeroicSelfDeprecation his insecurity about his place on the team]]- but as the story goes on, she [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces herself]] that he ‘’is’’ just a goof so she can justify ‘’[[ForYourOwnGood stealing his Miraculous]]’’ by insisting he isn’t thinking rationally. However, even ‘’Ladybug’’ is taken off guard by Chat Noir’s [[{{Determinator}} utter determination]] to fight the good fight and bring justice to the citizens of Paris.

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* BelievingTheirOwnLies: Marinette ends up telling a ‘’lot’’ ''lot'' of lies throughout her [[FaceHeelTurn alliance with Hawkmoth]], and many of the most insidious are to herself. The first and most damaging of these is that Chat Noir was being spiteful and irrational by refusing to go along with her plan to give Hawkmoth what he wants.
* BeneathTheMask: There’s a ‘’lot’’ ''lot'' going on behind Chat Noir’s image of a [[BumblingSidekick dorky sidekick]] who [[FightingClown never takes anything seriously]]. As his former partner, Ladybug knows and [[FlawExploitation exploits]] some of his depths- such as [[HeroicSelfDeprecation his insecurity about his place on the team]]- but as the story goes on, she [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces herself]] that he ‘’is’’ ''is'' just a goof so she can justify ‘’[[ForYourOwnGood ''[[ForYourOwnGood stealing his Miraculous]]’’ Miraculous]]'' by insisting he isn’t thinking rationally. However, even ‘’Ladybug’’ ''Ladybug'' is taken off guard by Chat Noir’s [[{{Determinator}} utter determination]] to fight the good fight and bring justice to the citizens of Paris.
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** BelievingTheirOwnLies: Marinette ends up telling a ‘’lot’’ of lies throughout her [[FaceHeelTurn alliance with Hawkmoth]], and many of the most insidious are to herself. The first and most damaging of these is that Chat Noir was being spiteful and irrational by refusing to go along with her plan to give Hawkmoth what he wants.
** BeneathTheMask: There’s a ‘’lot’’ going on behind Chat Noir’s image of a [[BumblingSidekick dorky sidekick]] who [[FightingClown never takes anything seriously]]. As his former partner, Ladybug knows and [[FlawExploitation exploits]] some of his depths- such as [[HeroicSelfDeprecation his insecurity about his place on the team]]- but as the story goes on, she [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces herself]] that he ‘’is’’ just a goof so she can justify ‘’[[ForYourOwnGood stealing his Miraculous]]’’ by insisting he isn’t thinking rationally. However, even ‘’Ladybug’’ is taken off guard by Chat Noir’s [[{{Determinator}} utter determination]] to fight the good fight and bring justice to the citizens of Paris.

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** * BelievingTheirOwnLies: Marinette ends up telling a ‘’lot’’ of lies throughout her [[FaceHeelTurn alliance with Hawkmoth]], and many of the most insidious are to herself. The first and most damaging of these is that Chat Noir was being spiteful and irrational by refusing to go along with her plan to give Hawkmoth what he wants.
** * BeneathTheMask: There’s a ‘’lot’’ going on behind Chat Noir’s image of a [[BumblingSidekick dorky sidekick]] who [[FightingClown never takes anything seriously]]. As his former partner, Ladybug knows and [[FlawExploitation exploits]] some of his depths- such as [[HeroicSelfDeprecation his insecurity about his place on the team]]- but as the story goes on, she [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces herself]] that he ‘’is’’ just a goof so she can justify ‘’[[ForYourOwnGood stealing his Miraculous]]’’ by insisting he isn’t thinking rationally. However, even ‘’Ladybug’’ is taken off guard by Chat Noir’s [[{{Determinator}} utter determination]] to fight the good fight and bring justice to the citizens of Paris.
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** BelievingTheirOwnLies: Marinette ends up telling a ‘’lot’’ of lies throughout her [[FaceHeelTurn alliance with Hawkmoth]], and many of the most insidious are to herself. The first and most damaging of these is that Chat Noir was being spiteful and irrational by refusing to go along with her plan to give Hawkmoth what he wants.
** BeneathTheMask: There’s a ‘’lot’’ going on behind Chat Noir’s image of a [[BumblingSidekick dorky sidekick]] who [[FightingClown never takes anything seriously]]. As his former partner, Ladybug knows and [[FlawExploitation exploits]] some of his depths- such as [[HeroicSelfDeprecation his insecurity about his place on the team]]- but as the story goes on, she [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinces herself]] that he ‘’is’’ just a goof so she can justify ‘’[[ForYourOwnGood stealing his Miraculous]]’’ by insisting he isn’t thinking rationally. However, even ‘’Ladybug’’ is taken off guard by Chat Noir’s [[{{Determinator}} utter determination]] to fight the good fight and bring justice to the citizens of Paris.



** Played completely straight, however, between [[FallenHero Marinette]] and [[IntrepidReporter Alya]]. After the evidence that ''Ladybug'' is the one who [[FaceHeelTurn joined up with Hawkmoth]] mounts to the point where it can't be denied anymore, Marinette ends up asking her best friend over text whether ''she'' believes the hero has betrayed Paris. Alya responds that she should have [[CassandraTruth listened to Chat Noir]] ''months'' ago, and that [[ForWantOfANail they'd be in a much different place if she had]]. She then proceeds to call herself an "idiot Ladybug fangirl" for trusting [[YouHaveToBelieveMe Ladybug's word]] over the evidence provided by Chat Noir, and grimly confirms that she's going to have to pay the price for overlooking her journalistic integrity on her behalf. Marinette is left overcome with guilt over the way she had manipulated her best friend's trust and possibly ''destroyed her dream entirely'' by recruiting her against Chat Noir- and now, it's looking like [[AllForNothing she won't even get anything to show for it]].

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** Played completely straight, however, between [[FallenHero Marinette]] and [[IntrepidReporter Alya]]. After the evidence that ''Ladybug'' is the one who [[FaceHeelTurn joined up with Hawkmoth]] mounts to the point where it can't be denied anymore, Marinette ends up asking her best friend over text whether ''she'' believes the hero has betrayed Paris. Alya responds that she should have [[CassandraTruth listened to Chat Noir]] ''months'' ago, and that [[ForWantOfANail they'd be in a much different place if she had]]. She Alya then proceeds to call herself an "idiot Ladybug fangirl" for trusting [[YouHaveToBelieveMe Ladybug's word]] over the evidence provided by Chat Noir, and grimly confirms that she's going to have to pay the price for overlooking her journalistic integrity on her behalf. Marinette is left overcome with guilt over the way she had manipulated her best friend's trust and possibly ''destroyed her dream entirely'' by recruiting her against Chat Noir- and now, it's looking like [[AllForNothing she won't even get anything to show for it]].
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* TheTake: One of Chat Noir's complaints about the newest recruit of Ladybug is said hero's utter lameness -- being the type to write "Music/{{Gorillaz}} fanfiction in his underwear". Chat Noir gets a "Who told you about that?!" for an answer, and both he and Ladybug stare bewildered at the new Peacock wielder. JokeAndReceive, indeed.

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This or these examples of Surprisingly Realistic Outcome seem to violate at least one of these rules, which disqualifies them: No character reactions (characters get angry, don't forgive, don't change their personality instantly, etc.); Too fantastical (depends on the properties of magic, powers, sci-fi tech, monsters, etc.); Not surprising (a character was warned about the outcome, it's used to provide Karma or An Aesop, or it simply follows normal conventions for this genre or medium); Plot happens (the example only describes an event, but not why audiences would expect a different, unrealistic outcome); Not an outcome (a character just explains why something wouldn't work as expected, or something is just an innate aspect of the setting or character that has a logical reason for being present); More of a Deconstruction (the event has major, lasting effects on the plot, make something more realistic, but not completely realistic, or a parody/fanwork applies realistic consequences to the events of a different work); or fits better under a different trope. See the trope's definition for more details. If you believe a removal was a mistake, please bring it up in the cleanup thread.


* EpicFail: The first time Ladybug and Chat Noir outright ''fight,'' Ladybug discovers that it’s [[UnderestimatingBadassery harder than she thought]] to get Chat Noir’s ring off his finger in hand-to-hand combat. So she decides to use her Plan B- [[LethalJokeItem Lucky Charm]]- and gets [[HyperDestructiveBouncingBall a rubber ball]]. She plans out a fairly typical scenario to bring her victory- [[PinballProjectile bouncing the ball between two surfaces]] to strike Chat from his blind spot so she can grab his ring. Unfortunately, she [[DidntSeeThatComing didn’t realize at the time]] that half of "her" WindsOfDestinyChange powers had not only abandoned her, but ''turned'' on her since the last time she had used her Lucky Charm. Certainly, as the Hero of Good Fortune, things [[BornLucky naturally tend to go Marinette’s way in battle]] - but she had never put together the fact that ''[[TheJinx Chat Noir’s]]'' powers had helped make sure ''[[FinaglesLaw their enemies]]'' [[FinaglesLaw got the brunt of whatever plan she threw at them]]. With those complementing abilities now turned on each other, [[spoiler: Ladybug’s plan gets somewhat derailed by [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the rubber ball bouncing straight back into her face instead of nailing the target with pinpoint precision]]. Her ''second'' try at this plan results in her slipping and hurling the ball harmlessly into the distance.]]

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* EpicFail: The first time Ladybug and Chat Noir outright ''fight,'' Ladybug discovers that it’s [[UnderestimatingBadassery harder than she thought]] to get Chat Noir’s ring off his finger in hand-to-hand combat. So she decides to use her Plan B- [[LethalJokeItem Lucky Charm]]- and gets [[HyperDestructiveBouncingBall a rubber ball]]. She plans out a fairly typical scenario to bring her victory- [[PinballProjectile bouncing the ball between two surfaces]] to strike Chat from his blind spot so she can grab his ring. Unfortunately, she [[DidntSeeThatComing didn’t realize at the time]] that half of "her" WindsOfDestinyChange powers had not only abandoned her, but ''turned'' on her since the last time she had used her Lucky Charm. Certainly, as the Hero of Good Fortune, things [[BornLucky naturally tend to go Marinette’s way in battle]] - but she had never put together the fact that ''[[TheJinx Chat Noir’s]]'' powers had helped make sure ''[[FinaglesLaw their enemies]]'' [[FinaglesLaw got the brunt of whatever plan she threw at them]]. With those complementing abilities now turned on each other, [[spoiler: Ladybug’s plan gets somewhat derailed by [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the rubber ball bouncing straight back into her face instead of nailing the target with pinpoint precision]].precision. Her ''second'' try at this plan results in her slipping and hurling the ball harmlessly into the distance.]]



* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** The only person surprised by Chat Noir's unwillingness to give up his ring when Ladybug asks is Ladybug herself, not least because of her unwillingness to explain herself.
** Making Chat into a HeroWithBadPublicity has consequences Marinette failed to predict, like causing the owners of an animal shelter he supported to fall under suspicion of aiding and abetting him.
** Ladybug might have an innate talent for making her plans work regardless of the odds, and has no doubt [[TalentedButTrained honed it]] over her years of superhero work, but the only way her [[LethalJokeItem Lucky Charm]] can realistically work consistently is because AWizardDidIt. When [[BornLucky Ladybug]] and [[TheJinx Chat Noir's]] [[WindsOfDestinyChange powers]] turn on each other for the first time, Ladybug's plans turn out [[EpicFail to have some technical difficulties to work out]].
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Just fixing up a few mistakes!


* SecretlySelfish: Marinette is very quick to take up the position that ‘’she’s’’ the only reasonable one for looking for a win-win solution. [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Gabriel Agreste’s]] arrest would effectively orphan his innocent teenage son, an potentially leave thousands of people out of work once Gabriel’s label felt the backlash. Ladybug is therefore willing to “bite the bullet” and [[TeethClenchedTeamwork work with a man she despises]] to grant his wish and ensure Adrien has at least one actual parent left. [[TheConfidant Tikki]] is unimpressed by this argument, as she knows full well that if Hawkmoth had turned out to be anyone‘’other’’ than her crush’s father (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal a former idol of hers]],) Marinette would have focused on bringing the supervillain to justice ‘’first,’’ and done everything in [[TheAce her]] [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating considerable power]] to mitigate the fallout to their dependents afterwards.

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* SecretlySelfish: Marinette is very quick to take up the position that ‘’she’s’’ ''she's'' the only reasonable one for looking for a win-win solution. [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Gabriel Agreste’s]] Agreste's]] arrest would effectively orphan his innocent teenage son, an and potentially leave thousands of people out of work once Gabriel’s Gabriel's label felt the backlash. Ladybug is therefore willing to “bite "bite the bullet” bullet" and [[TeethClenchedTeamwork work with a man she despises]] to grant his wish and ensure Adrien has at least one ''one'' actual parent left. [[TheConfidant Tikki]] is unimpressed by this argument, as she knows full well that if Hawkmoth had turned out to be anyone‘’other’’ anyone ''other'' than her crush’s crush's father (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal a former idol of hers]],) Marinette would have focused on bringing the supervillain to justice ‘’first,’’ ''first,'' and done everything in [[TheAce her]] [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating considerable power]] to mitigate the fallout to their dependents afterwards.
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* SecretlySelfish: Marinette is very quick to take up the position that ‘’she’s’’ the only reasonable one for looking for a win-win solution. [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Gabriel Agreste’s]] arrest would effectively orphan his innocent teenage son, an potentially leave thousands of people out of work once Gabriel’s label felt the backlash. Ladybug is therefore willing to “bite the bullet” and [[TeethClenchedTeamwork work with a man she despises]] to grant his wish and ensure Adrien has at least one actual parent left. [[TheConfidant Tikki]] is unimpressed by this argument, as she knows full well that if Hawkmoth had turned out to be anyone‘’other’’ than her crush’s father (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal a former idol of hers]],) Marinette would have focused on bringing the supervillain to justice ‘’first,’’ and done everything in [[TheAce her]] [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating considerable power]] to mitigate the fallout to their dependents afterwards.
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* AllTakeAndNoGive: In a twist on this trope, everything falls apart because Ladybug and Chat Noir feel that they’re in this sort of relationship, but they both feel that they’re the exploited “Giver!” Ladybug feels that she has to be [[TheReliableOne the “responsible one,”]] the one one who ultimately needs to [[TheStrategist make all the decisions]] when it comes to the battle against Hawkmoth and can never, ever fail in battle. Meanwhile, Chat Noir appears to take absolutely nothing seriously- he shows up and battles at her direction, but does nothing else to lighten her burden. Because she feels this way, she ends up [[NoRespectGuy treating Chat Noir like her sidekick]], unknowingly or not, while in the meantime Chat is increasingly resentful that [[LockedOutOfTheLoop nobody is willing to tell him anything]]. From his perspective, he shows up whenever he’s called and fights to the best of his ability- he’s been BrainwashedAndCrazy and even [[DeathIsCheap killed]] several times in defense of Paris! - and yet, no one is willing to do much as offer him an explanation!
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** From the very beginning, Gabriel was focused always and only on subverting [[TheAce Ladybug]] to his side. First, he informed her that [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]] couldn't be trusted to keep his cool and think rationally if he was let into the negotiations. Next, he suggested that Ladybug would be able to [[UnderestimatingBadassery get the ring within an hour]] if she attempted to by ''[[CuttingTheKnot force]].'' Finally, he [[EvilMentor advises her]] that she's been ''too lenient'' in merely [[spoiler: [[MaliciousSlander framing Chat Noir for joining Hawkmoth]],]] since [[BrutalHonesty her decisions have already ensured that her partner will]] ''[[BrutalHonesty not]]'' share their "[[EarnYourHappyEnding happy ending]]." Being [[ConsummateLiar Gabriel]], it's [[AmbiguousSituation hard to tell]] how he ''really'' feels about Chat Noir, but he eventually [[spoiler: clears the way for [[PsychoSupporter Mayura]] to murder him, knowing that the Hero of Destruction {{Determinator would never stop}} until Hawkmoth was defeated.]] Naturally, Gabriel is ''[[ThisCannotBe horrified]]'' to learn that he'd been actively working to ruin his own son's life, [spoiler: and had even given the green light for his ''murder,'']] and is left [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes stammering that he "never would have" if he'd known]].

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** From the very beginning, Gabriel was focused always and only on subverting [[TheAce Ladybug]] to his side. First, he informed her that [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]] couldn't be trusted to keep his cool and think rationally if he was let into the negotiations. Next, he suggested that Ladybug would be able to [[UnderestimatingBadassery get the ring within an hour]] if she attempted to by ''[[CuttingTheKnot force]].'' Finally, he [[EvilMentor advises her]] that she's been ''too lenient'' in merely [[spoiler: [[MaliciousSlander framing Chat Noir for joining Hawkmoth]],]] since [[BrutalHonesty her decisions have already ensured that her partner will]] ''[[BrutalHonesty not]]'' share their "[[EarnYourHappyEnding happy ending]]." Being [[ConsummateLiar Gabriel]], it's [[AmbiguousSituation hard to tell]] how he ''really'' feels about Chat Noir, but he eventually [[spoiler: clears the way for [[PsychoSupporter Mayura]] to murder him, knowing that the Hero of Destruction {{Determinator would never stop}} until Hawkmoth was defeated.]] Naturally, Gabriel is ''[[ThisCannotBe horrified]]'' to learn that he'd been actively working to ruin his own son's life, [spoiler: [[spoiler: and had even given the green light for his ''murder,'']] and is left [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes stammering that he "never would have" if he'd known]].
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This is a pretty fundamental trope for this fandom, but I thought the exact circumstances were worth pointing out!


** From the very beginning, Gabriel was focused always and only on subverting [[TheAce Ladybug]] to his side. First, he informed her that [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]] couldn't be trusted to keep his cool and think rationally if he was let into the negotiations. Next, he suggested that Ladybug would be able to [[UnderestimatingBadassery get the ring within an hour]] if she attempted to by ''[[CuttingTheKnot force]].'' Finally, he [[EvilMentor advises her]] that she's been ''too lenient'' in merely [[spoiler: [[MaliciousSlander framing Chat Noir for joining Hawkmoth]],]] since [[BrutalHonesty her decisions have already ensured that her partner will]] ''[[BrutalHonesty not]]'' share their "[[EarnYourHappyEnding happy ending]]." Being [[ConsummateLiar Gabriel]], it's [[AmbiguousSituation hard to tell]] how he ''really'' feels about Chat Noir, but he eventually [[spoiler: clears the way for [[PsychoSupporter Mayura]] to murder him, knowing that the Hero of Destruction {{Determinator would never stop}} until Hawkmoth was defeated.]] Naturally, Gabriel is ''[[ThisCannotBe horrified]]'' to learn that he'd been actively working to ruin his own son's life, [spoiler: and had even given the green light for his ''murder,'']] and is left [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes stammering that he "never would have" if he'd known]].



* VirtueIsWeakness: Marinette and Gabriel might be working together for the majority of the story, but [[TeethClenchedTeamwork saying that they "have their differences" is a massive understatement]]. Still, there is ''one'' thing that they are total agreement about. Both of them agree that Adrien Agreste is a [[NiceGuy kind]], [[IncorruptiblePurePureness compassionate]], and [[PurityPersonified altogether perfect]] young man - and because of that, he ''desperately'' needs other people's protection if he's to survive in the real world. [[KnightTemplarParent Gabriel]] utterly ''refuses'' to involve Adrien in his plans. Even though he continues to claim that everything he does is for his son and his wife, he is convinced that that same son doesn't have the willpower to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stomach the unfortunate methods he needed to use]]. Marinette, meanwhile, agreed to [[FaceHeelTurn start helping Hawkmoth]] because she couldn't ''bear'' the thought of hurting her crush, and never considered asking for his opinion on the matter. She was so certain that Adrien [[HeroicBSOD wouldn't be able to handle]] the AwfulTruth- never mind [[SinsOfTheFather the storm that would follow that revelation]]- so it would be best if he [[IgnoranceIsBliss never learned who his father really was]].

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* VirtueIsWeakness: Marinette and Gabriel might be working together for the majority of the story, but [[TeethClenchedTeamwork saying that they "have their differences" is a massive understatement]]. Still, there is ''one'' thing that they are total agreement about. Both of them agree that Adrien Agreste is a [[NiceGuy kind]], [[IncorruptiblePurePureness compassionate]], and [[PurityPersonified altogether perfect]] young man - and because of that, he ''desperately'' needs other people's protection if he's to survive in the real world. [[KnightTemplarParent Gabriel]] utterly ''refuses'' to involve Adrien in his plans. Even though he continues to claim that everything he does is for his son and his wife, he is convinced that that same son doesn't have the willpower to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stomach the unfortunate methods he needed to use]]. Marinette, meanwhile, agreed to [[FaceHeelTurn start helping Hawkmoth]] because she couldn't ''bear'' the thought of hurting her crush, and never considered asking for his opinion on the matter. She was so certain that Adrien [[HeroicBSOD wouldn't be able to handle]] the AwfulTruth- never mind [[SinsOfTheFather the storm that would follow that revelation]]- so that it would be best if he [[IgnoranceIsBliss never learned who his father really was]].
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Pyrrhic Villainy has been merged into Pyrrhic Victory per TRS decision


* AllForNothing: Marinette name-drops this trope when it ''finally'' becomes clear to her that allying with Hawkmoth was a horrible mistake, and now even ''correcting'' it will probably lead to her losing nearly everything she held dear. [[ZigZaggedTrope By the end of the story]], she ''does'' manage to salvage a ''few'' more benefits, but [[PyrrhicVillainy her partnership with Hawkmoth]] ''[[PyrrhicVillainy did]]'' [[PyrrhicVillainy cost her nearly everything she had hoped to gain in the attempt]].

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* AllForNothing: Marinette name-drops this trope when it ''finally'' becomes clear to her that allying with Hawkmoth was a horrible mistake, and now even ''correcting'' it will probably lead to her losing nearly everything she held dear. [[ZigZaggedTrope By the end of the story]], she ''does'' manage to salvage a ''few'' more benefits, but [[PyrrhicVillainy [[PyrrhicVictory her partnership with Hawkmoth]] ''[[PyrrhicVillainy ''[[PyrrhicVictory did]]'' [[PyrrhicVillainy [[PyrrhicVictory cost her nearly everything she had hoped to gain in the attempt]].



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* UngratefulBastard: Ladybug not only dismisses all the times Chat Noir sacrificed himself for her but ''criticizes him for not being good enough to avoid it.'' Admittedly, several of these moments in canon have been criticized by fans as either StupidSacrifice or SenselessSacrifice, which could have been avoided if he had been more professional to begin with.

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* UngratefulBastard: Ladybug not only dismisses all the times Chat Noir sacrificed himself for her but ''criticizes him for not being good enough to avoid it.'' Admittedly, several of these moments in canon have been criticized by fans as either StupidSacrifice or SenselessSacrifice, which could have been avoided if he had been more professional to begin with.with, but still...
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* UngratefulBastard: Ladybug not only dismisses all the times Chat Noir sacrificed himself for her but ''criticizes him for not being good enough to avoid it.''

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* UngratefulBastard: Ladybug not only dismisses all the times Chat Noir sacrificed himself for her but ''criticizes him for not being good enough to avoid it.'''' Admittedly, several of these moments in canon have been criticized by fans as either StupidSacrifice or SenselessSacrifice, which could have been avoided if he had been more professional to begin with.
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** Even before [[MaliciousSlander Alya's article]], Chat Noir's behavior didn't earn him as much support as you would think, as one of the first duo of superheroes in Paris. Looking at his [[TalkingIsAFreeAction banter]], [[PopCulturedBadass constant comic references]], repeated [[TheWorfEffect defeats]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy by akuma]], and obvious crush on Ladybug, most bystanders- ''including'' Hawkmoth and Ladybug herself- saw him as a [[FightingClown goof]] that saw the whole thing as a game and was only a threat as long as Ladybug was giving him directions. [[BeneathTheMask In reality]], Adrien ''does'' [[BeingGoodFeelsGood love being a superhero]], and often jokes as a coping mechanism. But he is absolutely, unshakably driven in his determination to fight the good fight, and ultimately ''Hawkmoth'' is forced to acknowledge that he would never stop until Paris receives justice, making him perhaps Hawkmoth's greatest enemy.

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** Even before [[MaliciousSlander Alya's article]], Chat Noir's behavior didn't earn him as much support as you would think, as one of the first duo of superheroes in Paris. Looking at his [[TalkingIsAFreeAction banter]], [[PopCulturedBadass constant comic references]], repeated [[TheWorfEffect defeats]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy by akuma]], and obvious crush on Ladybug, most bystanders- ''including'' Hawkmoth and Ladybug herself- saw him as a [[FightingClown goof]] that saw the whole thing as a game and was only a threat as long as Ladybug was giving him directions. [[BeneathTheMask In reality]], Adrien ''does'' [[BeingGoodFeelsGood [[GoodFeelsGood love being a superhero]], and often jokes as a coping mechanism. But he is absolutely, unshakably driven in his determination to fight the good fight, and ultimately ''Hawkmoth'' is forced to acknowledge that he would never stop until Paris receives justice, making him perhaps Hawkmoth's greatest enemy.
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Some more tropes to add to the list! I really do love Team Paris, but the fact of the matter is, they did mess up sometimes, just as Ladybug and Chat Noir did. I thought these entries might help reflect that!

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* ConsummateLiar: Gabriel Agreste has spent four years honing his skills as a ManipulativeBastard, and the events of ''Truth and Consequences'' represent his ''masterpiece.'' This occasionally makes it [[AmbiguousSituation hard to determine]] what he ''truly'' believes, and what he's [[ILied just saying]] [[MoreThanMindControl to ensure that Ladybug stays on his side.]] This includes his actual opinions on [[VillainRespect Ladybug]] and [[NoRespectGuy Chat Noir]], what [[NoPlaceForMeThere his actual plans are]] after he gets his Wish, and how much of the situation is [[AllAccordingToPlan just as planned]].


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** Chloe is one of the self-appointed PR experts of Team Miraculous, and she makes a compelling argument to Mayura about how important it is to interact with the public on patrol. But for all she's well-versed in presenting an image to the public, she fails to really consider how things would look to Chat Noir, the hero "Team Paris" were trying to lure in for a proper explanation. By posting selfies of herself on patrol with Mayura, Queen Bee just implied that she was ''solidly'' Team Ladybug. Actually, ''immediately after'' Team Paris decided [[ChoosingNeutrality that they needed to take their time and carefully determine who to trust,]] Chloe thought it would be a good idea to milk "That horrible villain Chat Noir [[NotHelpingYourCase destroyed my childhood home"]] ''so she could [[SkewedPriorities get preferential treatment at school.]]'' In fairness, she [[DramaticIrony couldn't have known]] that Chat Noir was ''right there watching,'' but by the time the dust settles, Chloe is left sadly wondering why Adrien, her ChildhoodFriend, [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint never came to]] ''[[DramaticallyMissingThePoint her]]'' with the stolen Miraculous box, never considering that she hadn't given him many ''reasons'' to trust her.


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** Even before [[MaliciousSlander Alya's article]], Chat Noir's behavior didn't earn him as much support as you would think, as one of the first duo of superheroes in Paris. Looking at his [[TalkingIsAFreeAction banter]], [[PopCulturedBadass constant comic references]], repeated [[TheWorfEffect defeats]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy by akuma]], and obvious crush on Ladybug, most bystanders- ''including'' Hawkmoth and Ladybug herself- saw him as a [[FightingClown goof]] that saw the whole thing as a game and was only a threat as long as Ladybug was giving him directions. [[BeneathTheMask In reality]], Adrien ''does'' [[BeingGoodFeelsGood love being a superhero]], and often jokes as a coping mechanism. But he is absolutely, unshakably driven in his determination to fight the good fight, and ultimately ''Hawkmoth'' is forced to acknowledge that he would never stop until Paris receives justice, making him perhaps Hawkmoth's greatest enemy.


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* JerkassHasAPoint: The day after Chat Noir's [[NotHelpingYourCase ill-advised]] attack on the mayor's mansion, Chloe [[CrocodileTears milks the event for all it's worth]] so [[SkewedPriorities people will be nice to her at school.]] When Alya and Nino confront her about how unhelpful that is to their mission to gain Chat Noir's trust and learn what's ''really'' going on, Chloe retorts that that's rich to hear from the girl who [[EtTuBrute wrote an article]] [[MaliciousSlander accusing him of terrorism.]] She [[CharacterDevelopment immediately takes the jab back,]] but the point stands.
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** [[GoodIsNotNice Chloe]] is rather blase about the way Team Paris is forced treat [[HeroWithBadPublicity Chat Noir]] for most of the story. From her perspective, if Ladybug ''is'' telling the truth, then Chat ''does'' need to go down. If Chat is telling the truth, well, [[NothingPersonal Team Paris just did]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo what they needed to]] in order to get their Miraculous. [[LackOfEmpathy Chat would understand, surely]]. But, given that Chloe ''also'' prefaced the formation of Team Paris by admitting that she didn't trust Ladybug, things would probably go a lot differently if ''[[ChildhoodFriend Adrien]]'' gave her the full story. But given Queen Bee's [[EtTuBrute public support of Ladybug]], Chat is reluctant to so much as message her, much less unmask for her. [[spoiler: When Chloe ''does'' find out who was behind the mask, she is [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown less than pleased with Mayura and Marinette]] for what their actions [[TraumaCongaLine ended up]] [[EyeScream doing to]] [[BeingGoodSucksAdrien]].]]

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** [[GoodIsNotNice Chloe]] is rather blase about the way Team Paris is forced treat [[HeroWithBadPublicity Chat Noir]] for most of the story. From her perspective, if Ladybug ''is'' telling the truth, then Chat ''does'' need to go down. If Chat is telling the truth, well, [[NothingPersonal Team Paris just did]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo what they needed to]] in order to get their Miraculous. [[LackOfEmpathy Chat would understand, surely]]. But, given that Chloe ''also'' prefaced the formation of Team Paris by admitting that she didn't trust Ladybug, things would probably go a lot differently if ''[[ChildhoodFriend Adrien]]'' gave her the full story. But given Queen Bee's [[EtTuBrute public support of Ladybug]], Chat is reluctant to so much as message her, much less unmask for her. [[spoiler: When Chloe ''does'' find out who was behind the mask, she is [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown less than pleased with Mayura and Marinette]] for what their actions [[TraumaCongaLine ended up]] [[EyeScream doing to]] [[BeingGoodSucksAdrien]].[[BeingGoodSucks Adrien]].]]
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