History Fanfic / ANewJediInAnOldRepublic

* BothSidesHaveAPoint: When Greivous is called to explain his actions when facing Tarkin's fleet- specifically, fleeing, not recalling his fighters, and having them execute suicide attacks- Dooku reprimands him for quitting the field of battle, and for wasting the droid fighters, whose memories could be used to help improve the next generation of fighters. Greivous counters that the Republic had already destroyed one of his capital ships, and his tactic preserved several hard-to-replace capital ships from being wrecked as well. He also points out that droid fighters, by their nature, are meant to be mass-produced. Sticking around to recover them could have resulted in them losing more capital ships instead of easily replaceable fighters.

* CharacterDevelopment: Because Tarkin and Anakin meet much earlier in this story than they do in Canon, they start to affect each other differently. Anakin is given a military role model that appeals to his 'Man of Action' tendencies while tempering him with the experiences of combat away from the Jedi. Tarkin encounters the Jedi in a far more positive light, as people who are searching for a way to act properly, which military discipline and the chain of command can help with; Anakin signs on as a Fighter Pilot, where his status as an AcePilot meets Tarkin's approval, as Anakin doesn't take on responsibilities that he isn't ready for, and is sticking with something that he *is* (as opposed to what would have happened if the Jedi had all blindly taken on the role the Senate was thrusting on them, that of Generals).

** Returning to Anakin and Tarkin, in the wake of their mission together, Tarkin and Anakin have grown wiser. Anakin warns the Jedi Council that due to the empathic nature of their abilities, it is a massive emotional strain to constantly feel all your allies die around you. Tarkin, in turn, admits that he had misjudged the Jedi- while they have flaws, they're wise enough to know that they shouldn't lead and admits that empathic powers would be a hindrance on the battlefield. In short, Anakin isn't rushing into things hot-headed now, and Tarkin sees the advantages of the Jedi, rather than the pessimistic view he had earlier.

** The difference between this attitude and standard Jedi methods is shown during the "Trap" arc, when Kyle kills two dark acolytes and drives off Ventress by ''talking'' to her, and Delta Squad (following his instructions) gets rid of the other dark-side users. Mace gets bogged down with fighting ''one'' dark acolyte. In his defense, both were using Vaapad and once the fight is over he is ashamed of himself for losing control like that, and [[TheAtoner vows to atone for it]].

** According to Kyle, the Jedi do this ''every time they meet the Chancellor.'' Not the Force stuff, but because the whole office is covered in discreet Sith iconography, even as simple as the coloration.

** Padme doesn't realize that Ventress is a Sith until Obi Wan finds the two of them- with Jan- in their quarters and asks [[WhatTheHellHero why a Sith is talking to the Senator.]]
* HadToBeSharp: Jan and Kyle are implied to be this on the basis of living in a much more dangerous time than the Republic Era- which makes sense, as the galaxy they've lived through is recovering from the Clone Wars and the following Rebellion, not to mention all the various Warlords and such that started making waves as the central government was destabilized in the wake of Palpatine's death. By contrast, prior to the start of the Clone Wars, the only real armed conflicts that the Republic had engaged in was the Stark Hyperspace War (which in text is described more as a police action) and the Trade Federation Occupation of Naboo, which was over in less than a month. Other than that, they've had about roughly a thousand years of peace with only occasional flare-ups of violence.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Palpatine receives the coordinates to where the EMP guns are being made, so in his Sidious persona, he passes it on to Dooku and assumes that's the end of it. The problem is that this operation was a setup- there were multiple coordinates that were passed around for where the factory was, on different sites and worlds... and only the one that Palpatine knew about was attacked, which implicates him and his office as being a source of leaked information. He gets out of it, but it is a close call.
* InsistentTerminology: Kyle is constantly called "Master" by other Force-users who can sense his power. He repeatedly tells them to just call him "Kyle." They never do.
** Because they were programmed and trained the way they were, Clone Troopers always refer to Jedi as "General."

* NotSoAboveItAll: Dooku muses idly that the newly freed senators in the Senate of the Confederacy were gleefully passing bills that continuously got caught up in committee or were ignored by their counterparts on Courescant. Dooku thinks that they are fools... but then admits to himself that he enjoys working with them to get those same bills passed.
* OmniscientMoralityLicense: The Jedi get theirs revoked fairly early on. A recurring subplot is that the Jedi, for all their wisdom and skill, don't know certain things and are just as responsible and answerable to the people as everyone else is. Some take this lesson better than others.

** One of the Empire's big lessons taught in its schools were about the failures of the Jedi in the Clone Wars- specifically, because they treated the Clone Wars like they were an extension of normal events, they made major military blunders early on since they didn't know how to conduct a war properly.

** Kyle's attempt to blend into a temple full of telepathic space wizards who can sense emotions and are ''particularly'' on edge regarding the dark side- which Kyle has access to- goes off about as well as you could expect. Namely, he isn't in the temple for more than ten minutes before the Jedi Council ask to see him to ask "What the hell."
** Robots designed specifically to defend against lightsabers, and nothing else, can't really handle ''guns.'' Kyle takes one out before admitting that "he didn't think that would work," and promises to use his lightsabers on the other two.
** Kyle points out that the Jedi, for all their skills at individual combat, are not ideal ''commanders'', and shouldn't take the job of "Generals." He backs this up with information taught to him during his education at Imperial academies, which point out the ''many'' military failures that the Jedi had before they could become acclimated to the role. To show he's not considering just them failures, he explains that with his soldier training, he's probably the one best trained to be a general... and that he would be terrible at it, his talents leaning more towards leading small squads.
** The Jedi don't have a Public Relations expert, which Yoda quickly realizes is a mistake -- it leaves the Jedi out-of-touch with the common man, and themselves isolated from the galaxy's opinion of them.

** Palpatine is ''smart'', and a chessmaster of epic proportions. Just because Kyle has future knowledge, doesn't mean that the plans of the Sith are going to come unraveling so easily, or that Palpatine won't be able to adapt to new information.
** One skill of Jedi is that they can feel death in the force. Since the CIS don't use living beings in their army, and people form bonds when in stressful situations, Anakin points out that even the most hardened Jedi is going to have to deal with feeling the death of all of his allies- and ''only'' their allies- on the battlefield, and that strain could make them snap.
* RefusalOfTheCall: Played with. Thanks to some advice from Kyle, the Jedi decide to ''not'' become generals and admirals of the Clone Army in this story under the justification that they are not at all suited for the position. They do promise to assist in the war effort however they can in areas to which they are more suited, such as [[{{Seers}} advisors]], [[MagicKnight special]] [[CombatClairvoyance forces]], [[AcePilot pilots]], medics, diplomats, etc.

* RunningGag: Kyle repeatedly insists "Don't call me Captain[=/=]Master[=/=][Insert title here]." No one ever does.
* ShoutOut: A rabble-rouser cribs heavily from the speech in ''Film/TheGreatDictator'' in chapter 40.

* ValuesDissonance: InUniverse, this causes more than a few problems for Kyle's efforts to bring together various Jedi Sects that have split from the Coruscant Temple. Much weight is put on how ''different'' he is from the "normal" Jedi, from the version of the Jedi Code he uses to the fact that he's quite clearly in a relationship with Jan. Kyle finds them equally bizarre, and more than once he's had problems trying to figure out how to approach various Sects that are more objectionable to the current Order, with the best example being the Jensaari, who incorporate the dark side into their teachings.

* WeHaveReserves: Separatist Droid fighters threw themselves into the turbolaser blasts coming from Tarkin's fleet in Chapter 37 to prevent them from killing a Separatist ship. Grievous is eventually called to task for that by Dooku, but he does make his own case for why he did it.

** Obi-Wan has a brief one when he finds ''Ventress'' working together- and in the same suite as- Padme Amidala.
* WhyDontYouJustShootHim: Kyle decides to try this option in a training test against lightsaber-equiped droids. When the droid doesn't even try to defend itself and is reduced to smoking scrap, he promises to not do that again. This highlights the difference between Kyle, a CombatPragmatist, and the other Jedi, who are offended that a Force user will stoop to using a blaster.

** Kyle's attempt to blend into a temple full of telepathic space wizards who can sense emotions and are ''particularly'' on edge regarding the dark side- which Kyle has access to- goes off about as well as you could expect. Namely, he isn't in the temple for more than ten minutes before the Jedi Council ask to see him.

* WeHaveReserves: Separatist Droid fighters threw themselves into the turbolaser blasts coming from Tarkin's fleet in Chapter 37 to prevent them from killing a Separatist ship. [=WoG=] is that Grievous will be called to task for that.

** According to Kyle, the Jedi do this ''every time they meet the Chancellor.'' Not the Force stuff, but because the whole office is covered in discrete Sith iconography, even as simple as the coloration.

* DistinctionWithoutADifference: During Space Combat, Anakin's internal monologue goes like this.

* EarlyBirdCameo: Ahsoka Tano (of The Clone Wars fame) first makes an appearance in a class Kyle is helping with, but she's still an initiate, rather than the Padawan that we see her as in the series.

** Out of the group that stopped the Dark Accolytes on Garramond, only two out of the seven had Force abilities. The rest managed to hold off a horde of Dark Jedi with their wits and weapons.

* RunningBothSides: Palpatine, of course, is running both sides of the separatist conflict.

* WhyDontYouJustShootHim: Kyle decides to try this option in a training test against lightsaber-equiped droids. When the droid doesn't even try to defend itself and is reduced to smoking scrap, he promises to not do that again. This highlights the difference between Kyle, a CombatPragmatist, and the other Jedi, who are offended that a force-user will stoop to using a blaster.

-->"Only when Obi-wan could handle it."

* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Palpatine receives the coordinates to where the EMP guns are being made, so in his Sideous persona, he passes it on to Dooku and assumes that's the end of it. The problem is that this operation was a setup- there were multiple coordinates that were passed around for where the factory was, on different sites and worlds... and only the one that Palpatine knew about was attacked, which implicates him and his office as being a source of leaked information. He gets out of it, but it is a close call.
* InsistentTerminology: Kyle is constantly called "Master" by other force-users who can sense his power. He repeatedly tells them to just call him "Kyle." They never do.

** Mace learns swiftly how this can turn out on the mission to Garamost that he invited himself on. Not only did his presence not help as much as he thought, his presumption gets him in hot water with the Council ''and'' Republic Intelligence (for inviting himself on a classified mission and for taking a prisoner that he refuses to let RI interrogate (as said prisoner is a Jedi who fell to the Dark Side)).

* RammingAlwaysWorks: Tarkin loses his ship when General Grevious uses a ZergRush of fighters to cover his escape by setting them on a collision course.

** Kyle's attempt to blend into a temple full of telepathic space wizards who can sense emotions and are ''particularly'' on edge regarding the Dark Side- which Kyle has access to- goes off about as well as you could expect. Namely, he isn't in the temple for more than ten minutes before the Jedi Council ask to see him.

* ValuesDissonance: InUniverse, this causes more than a few problems for Kyle's efforts to bring together various Jedi Sects that have split from the Courescant Temple. Much weight is put on how ''different'' he is from the "normal" Jedi, from the version of the Jedi Code he uses to the fact that he's quite clearly in a relationship with Jan. Kyle finds them equally bizarre, and more than once he's had problems trying to figure out how to approach various Sects that are more objectionable to the current Order, with the best example being the Jensaari, who incorporate the Dark Side into their teachings.
* WeHaveReserves: Separatist Droid fighters threw themselves into the turbolaser blasts coming from Tarkin's fleet in Chapter 37 to prevent them from killing a Separatist ship. [=WoG=] is that Grevious will be called to task for that.

* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Kyle has this reaction when he realizes that Tarkin (as in "I blew up Aldaraan to make a point" Tarkin) approves of his presence and questions at the Jedi Council meeting. He openly wonders how long he'd have to bathe in lava to make the feeling go away.

* RealityEnsues: Kyle points out that the Jedi, for all their skills at individual combat, are not ideal ''commanders'', and shouldn't take the job of "Generals." He backs this up with information taught to him during his education at Imperial academies, which point out the ''many'' military failures that the Jedi had before they could become acclimated to the role. To show he's not considering just them failures, he explains that with his soldier training, he's probably the one best trained to be a general... and that he would be terrible at it, his talents leaning more towards leading small squads.

** Robots designed specifically to defend against lightsabers, and nothing else, can't really handle ''guns.'' Kyle takes one out before admitting that "he didn't think that would work," and promises to use his lightsabers on the other two.
** Kyle's attempt to blend into a temple full of telepathic space wizards who can sense emotions and are ''particularly'' on edge regarding the Dark Side- which Kyle has access to- goes off about as well as you could expect. Namely, he isn't in the temple for more than ten minutes before the Jedi Council ask to see him.

* HadToBeSharp: Jan and Kyle are implied to be this on the basis of living in a much more dangerous time than the Republic Era- which makes sense, as the galaxy they've lived through is recovering from the Clone Wars and the following Rebellion, not to mention all the various Warlord and such that started making waves as the central government was destabilized in the wake of Palpatine's death. By contrast, prior to the start of the Clone Wars, the only real armed conflicts that the Republic had engaged in was the Stark Hyperspace War (which in text is described more as a police action) and the Trade Federation Occupation of Naboo, which was over in less than a month. Other than that, they've had about roughly a thousand years of peace with only occasional flare-ups of violence.

* CharacterDevelopment: Because Tarkin and Anakin meet much earlier in this story than they do in Canon, they start to affect each other differently. Anakin is given a military role model that appeals to his 'Man of Action' tendencies while tempering him with the experiences of combat away from the Jedi. Tarkin encounters the Jedi in a far more positive light, as people who are searching for a way to act properly, which military discipline and the chain of command can help with; Anakin signs on as a Fighter Pilot, where his status as an AcePilot meets Tarkin's approval, as Anakin doesn't take on responsibilities that he isn't ready for, and is sticking with something that he *is*.

* RefusalOfTheCall: Played with. Thanks to some advice from Kyle, the Jedi decide to ''not'' become generals and admirals of the Clone Army in this story under the justification that they are not at all suited for the position. They do promise to assist in the war effort however they can in areas to which they are more suited, such as [[{{Seers}} advisors]], [[MagicKnight special]] [[CombatClairvoyance forces]], [[AcePilot pilots]], etc.

* PassThroughTheRings: Anakin briefly encounters this in a training simulator as a ShoutOut to VideoGame/TIEFighter

* RealityEnsues: Kyle points out that the Jedi, for all their skills at individual combat, are not ideal ''commanders'', and shouldn't take the job of "Generals." He backs this up with information taught to him during his education at Imperial academies, which point out the ''many'' military failures that the Jedi had before they could become acclimated to the role.

"A New Jedi in an Old Republic" is a StarWars fanfiction written by [=JonBerry=] (also of FanFic/SevenDaysSurvivor and FanFic/ACertainElectricDeliveryman) that attempts to answer these questions. When [[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors]] [[TimeTravel are thrown into the past]] via a [[NegativeSpaceWedgie Hyperspace Jump gone wrong]], what do they do? Armed with knowledge of the future, they'll now have the chance to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong set right what once went wrong]].

Starting out as a simple question on SpaceBattles, namely "How would Kyle Katarn affect the Clone Wars?", the answer to that question was agreed that the resulting conflict would be won by him. Then came the follow-up question - "How? And what happens next?"

The story is hosted on SpaceBattles [[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/a-new-jedi-in-an-old-republic-star-wars.315437/ Here.]]

* RealityEnsues: Kyle points out that the Jedi, for all their skills, are ''not'' ideal frontline commanders, and shouldn't take the job of "Generals." He backs this up with information taught by Imperial academies, which point out the ''many'' failures that the Jedi had before they could become acclimated to the role.

* CharacterDevelopment: Because Tarkin and Anakin meet much earlier in this story than they do in Canon, they start to affect each other differently. Anakin is given a military role model that appeals to his 'Man of Action' tendencies while tempering him with the experiences of combat away from the Jedi. Tarkin encounters the Jedi in a far more positive light, as people who are searching for a way to act properly; Anakin signs on as a Fighter Pilot, where his status as an AcePilot meets Tarkin's approval.

Starting out by asking the simple question, "How would Kyle Katarn affect the Clone Wars?", the response to that question was very one-sided. He would win them. Following up on that though, the question then became "How? And what happens next?"

"A New Jedi In An Old Republic" is a StarWars fanfiction written by [=JonBerry=] (also of FanFic/SevenDaysSurvivor) that attempts to answer those questions. When [[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors]] [[TimeTravel are thrown into the past]] via a [[NegativeSpaceWedgie Hyperspace Jump gone wrong]], what do they do? Armed with knowledge of the future, they'll now have the chance to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong set right what once went wrong]].

* BadassCrew: [[VideoGame/StarWarsRepublicCommando Delta Squad]] makes an appearance, working with Kyle and Mace.
* BadassNormal: The Crew above? Yeah, Jan is there too, and holds her own against [[DarkActionGirl Saato]] long enough to get away.

* FailedASpotCheck: In chapter 14, a jedi training droid, having been designed for sparring with lightsabers, fails to register Kyle's blaster pistol as a weapon. This results in [[BoomHeadshot its head being blown off]] without it even trying to block the shot.
* MoleInCharge: Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. Kyle and Jan have tried to flush him out via a sting operation, but he's managed to evade most of the suspicion.

* PassThroughTheRings: Anakin briefly encounters this in a training simulator.
* PatchworkFic: The author has stated that he's taking information and plot points from both Legends and Canon with regard to the events during the Clone Wars, as well as characterization.
* RammingAlwaysWorks: Tarkin loses his ship when General Grevious uses a ZergRush of fighters to cover his escape by setting them on a colision course.

* TimeTravel: Kyle and Jan travel to the start of the Clone Wars.

->"And a Jedi never left their partner with a problem. Anakin may have caused more than his fair share of problems for Obi-Wan, but he never left his mentor to deal with all the fallout by himself."
->"Mostly."
->"Only when Obi-wan could handle it."
->"And when he was needed elsewhere."
->"To do something important."

* WhatTheHellHero: Both [[ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge Obi-Wan]] and [[MasterSwordsman Cin Drallig]] react ''very'' negatively to Kyle using a blaster in his trial of combat against droids. Kyle rebuts that not only [[AintNoRule was it not specified that he was only supposed to use lightsabers, only implied as such]], but that it was a test of his ''combat'' skills, and that a lightsaber and a blaster are simply tools to be used for combat.

->And a Jedi never left their partner with a problem. Anakin may have caused more than his fair share of problems for Obi-Wan, but he never left his mentor to deal with all the fallout by himself.
->Mostly.
->Only when Obi-wan could handle it.
->And when he was needed elsewhere.
->To do something important.