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* Tropers/Doujinguy567: Not surprised no one would have any issues with the story of this game given its popularity, but I do. At the end of the second arc, once our heroes have seemingly defeated Alexei he releases the Adephagos upon the world and the damage on Zaude separates Yuri from the group. While this is going on, Sodia, a member of Flynn's knight brigade takes the opportunity to try and kill Yuri, sending him plummeting off the structure and into the ocean. Now why would she do this? Because she's jealous of Yuri and Flynn's friendship and she couldn't accept the idea that Flynn couldn't be anything but the perfect KnightInShiningArmor in her eyes when he has flaws, and Flynn and Yuri's friendship exposes the truth of that. Yuri himself acknowledges that he's not a "good" person, at least not the one he believes should be at Flynn's side to keep him honest, but neither is Sodia when Flynn doesn't even know what she did to Yuri, and despite the fact that Flynn willingly interacts with Yuri and calls him a friend disregarding their differing opinions, despite the good that Yuri does and has done throughout the game, despite the fact that there are more pressing matters to deal with at that moment, her main priority is to get rid of Yuri and nothing more because she believes his vigilante ways are corrupting Flynn (and she has the nerve to instantly regret her action as she sees him falling from Zaude). She's never fully reprimanded for this either. Yeah, while Yuri does call her out on her attempted murder of him and even states that he won't forgive her, he never tries to turn her in. She's doesn't even get called out for being a hypocrite. She essentially became the thing that she kept accusing Yuri of being and this never gets brought up against her. And that's not going over her abrasive attitude, constant verbal assaults at Yuri, and pigheadedness with even the most bias and unjust laws out there. This makes her a KarmaHoudini (as much as she attempts to avoid being one TBF, but she still is one). She at least deserved a punch in the face for what she did.
* Tropers/Doujinguy567: Not surprised no one would have any issues with the story of this game given its popularity, but I do. At the end of the second arc, once our heroes have seemingly defeated Alexei he releases the Adephagos upon the world and the damage on Zaude separates Yuri from the group. While this is going on, Sodia, a member of Flynn's knight brigade takes the opportunity to try and kill Yuri, sending him plummeting off the structure and into the ocean. Now why would she do this? Because she's jealous of Yuri and Flynn's friendship and she couldn't accept the idea that Flynn couldn't be anything but the perfect KnightInShiningArmor in her eyes when he has flaws, and Flynn and Yuri's friendship exposes the truth of that. Yuri himself acknowledges that he's not a "good" person, at least not the one he believes should be at Flynn's side to keep him honest, but neither is Sodia when Flynn doesn't even know what she did to Yuri, and despite the fact that Flynn willingly interacts with Yuri and calls him a friend disregarding their differing opinions, despite the good that Yuri does and has done throughout the game, despite the fact that there are more pressing matters to deal with at that moment, her main priority is to get rid of Yuri and nothing more because she believes his vigilante ways are corrupting Flynn (and she has the nerve to instantly regret her action as she sees him falling from Zaude). She's never fully reprimanded for this either. Yeah, while Yuri does call her out on her attempted murder of him and even states that he won't forgive her, he never tries to turn her in. She's doesn't even get called out for being a hypocrite. She essentially became the thing that she kept accusing Yuri of being and this never gets brought up against her. And that's not going over her abrasive attitude, constant verbal assaults at Yuri, and pigheadedness with even the most bias and unjust laws out there. This makes her a KarmaHoudini (as much as she attempts to avoid being one TBF, but she still is one). She at least deserved a punch in the face for what she did.
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* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: The end of the third arc, with Milla [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificing herself to save the others]] was a [=DMoS=] for me. First and foremost, Namco, you are not Square. Do not even attempt to make me think you are Square, because I will not believe that you would honestly kill off one of the main characters (especially the female lead) and stick with it. The scene is overall decently done, but the fact that the game is split into two routes (Jude and Milla) just made this worse. Because immediately after this [[WhamEpisode huge scene]], the game asks you [[MoodWhiplash if you want to save]]. Thanks for ruining even the potential suspense that Milla might be [[KilledOffForReal dead for good]], now I know that something is gonna happen that will make her not-dead. She has a route in the game and this event took place during the late halfway-point of the game, making me believe less that Namco would release even an admittedly rushed game with such a short main arc. Now, had Milla's route played through this scene without asking me to save before proceeding, I might have bought the idea of her dying for real. As it is, it was already unbelieveable on ground principle and suspense was ruined through gameplay mechanics popping up at an inopportune moment.
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* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: The end of the third arc, with Milla [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificing herself to save the others]] was a [=DMoS=] for me. First and foremost, Namco, you are not Square. Do not even attempt to make me think you are Square, because I will not believe that you would honestly kill off one of the main characters (especially the female lead) and stick with it. The scene is overall decently done, but the fact that the game is split into two routes (Jude and Milla) just made this worse. Because immediately after this [[WhamEpisode huge scene]], the game asks you [[MoodWhiplash if you want to save]]. Thanks for ruining even the potential suspense that Milla might be [[KilledOffForReal dead for good]], now I know that something is gonna happen that will make her not-dead. She has a route in the game and this event took place during the late halfway-point of the game, making me believe less that Namco would release even an admittedly rushed game with such a short main arc. Now, had Milla's route played through this scene without asking me to save before proceeding, I might have bought the idea of her dying for real. As it is, it was already unbelieveable unbelievable on ground principle and suspense was ruined through gameplay mechanics popping up at an inopportune moment.
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* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: As entertaining as ''Xillia 2'' was to me, the [[HotSpringsEpisode Hot Springs Scene]] was horrible. The scene is unlocked by paying off Ludger's debt of 20 Million Gald and Nova invites the party and her sister to go to a hot spring, as means of celebration. Well, the hot spring is co-ed, so the girls lock the guys inside Teepo, where it's horribly cramped, hot and their towels dissolve as well. All while the girls can enjoy the hot springs. They even locked [[TeamPet Rollo]] in there. The scene is supposed to be funny, but it's quite the opposite and it sounds like Milla was the main instigator of this, which feels horribly [[OutOfCharacterMoment out-of-character]] for her. This was the reward for paying off a huge debt that had been blocking me throughout the game? My reward for spending hours fighting the higher-powered Elite Monsters and going through the difficult BonusDungeon, just so I could watch the girls being dicks to the guys, who did nothing wrong? That's a horrible reward.
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* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: As entertaining as ''Xillia 2'' was to me, the [[HotSpringsEpisode Hot Springs Scene]] was horrible. The scene is unlocked by paying off Ludger's debt of 20 Million Gald and Nova invites invite the party and her sister to go to a hot spring, as means of celebration. Well, the hot spring is co-ed, so the girls lock the guys inside Teepo, where it's horribly cramped, hot and their towels dissolve as well. All while the girls can enjoy the hot springs. They even locked [[TeamPet Rollo]] in there. The scene is supposed to be funny, but it's quite the opposite and it sounds like Milla was the main instigator of this, which feels horribly [[OutOfCharacterMoment out-of-character]] for her. This was the reward for paying off a huge debt that had been blocking me throughout the game? My reward for spending hours fighting the higher-powered Elite Monsters and going through the difficult BonusDungeon, just so I could watch the girls being dicks to the guys, who did nothing wrong? That's a horrible reward.
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Sometimes, you have to wonder what the folks at Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment were thinking when they implemented those groan-inducing moments in the ''Tales'' series.
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Sometimes, you have to wonder what the folks at Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment were thinking when they implemented those [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck groan-inducing moments moments]] in the ''Tales'' series.
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* alienatedchaos: By the time the party reached the Main Arc's final dungeon in ''VideoGame/TalesofGraces'', I had become disturbed by how little anyone called out the genocide Lambda committed against the Fodrans. The experimentation he suffered was torturous, sure, but there is no universe in which one person's suffering, however grave, justifies the murder of a planet's worth of people.
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* alienatedchaos: By the time the party reached the Main Arc's final dungeon in ''VideoGame/TalesofGraces'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'', I had become disturbed by how little anyone called out the genocide Lambda committed against the Fodrans. The experimentation he suffered was torturous, sure, but there is no universe in which one person's suffering, however grave, justifies the murder of a planet's worth of people.
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* Tropers/{{CatMuto}}: My [=DMoS=] for ''Graces'' occurs exactly in a skit in the main arc's Final Dungeon, after the flashback scene depicting Lambda's torturous experimentations. It's a line uttered by Asbel, who suddenly thinks that he and Lambda are [[NotSoDifferent alike]]. I remember pretty much slamming my controller onto a table and ranting for a good five minutes. Asbel comparing himself to Lambda was stupid, since their circumstances and events in their life were completely different. Asbel was born as a noble and had a rather happy house, despite living under the thumb of a very strict father.\\
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* Tropers/{{CatMuto}}: My [=DMoS=] for ''Graces'' occurs exactly in a skit in the main arc's Final Dungeon, after the flashback scene depicting Lambda's torturous experimentations. It's a line uttered by Asbel, who suddenly thinks that he and Lambda are [[NotSoDifferent alike]].alike. I remember pretty much slamming my controller onto a table and ranting for a good five minutes. Asbel comparing himself to Lambda was stupid, since their circumstances and events in their life were completely different. Asbel was born as a noble and had a rather happy house, despite living under the thumb of a very strict father.\\
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* Troper/{{immortalfrieza}}: The split story perspective was an awful idea. The game allows the player to select for either Jude or Milla to be the viewpoint character, which is alright... except that it's done horribly. Jude and Milla's stories are nearly identical, with the only differences between them being the few times in the game the two split up... which they don't do often and usually for less than 5 minutes when they do. This kind of mechanic only works when two characters rarely if ever interact, allowing each perspective to have enough content to change the experience for the player. However, Milla and Jude's stories are so alike that, with the exception of Milla's "death" halfway through the game there's no real difference at all, and that one moment screws a player who played as Milla first since you miss out on some pretty significant things that occur in Jude's story. They could have easily simply had the perspective switch between Milla and Jude whenever they split as needed like a lot of games have done. It feels like a really cheap attempt to give replay value.
