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* AmbiguouslyEvil: It's unclear exactly what he did in his years prior to meeting Ellie, but it's implied that he may have harmed or even killed innocent people, and not in self-defense. When Ellie questions him about this, he only replies with a simple "Hmm."
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: It's unclear exactly what he did in his years Much of Joel's past prior to meeting Ellie, Ellie is shrouded in mystery, but it's implied that he may have harmed or even killed innocent people, and not in self-defense. When Ellie questions him about this, he neither confirms nor denies it, and only replies with a simple "Hmm."
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->''"If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again."''
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler: His fate in Part 2 in a nutshell. Joel was on the verge of mending his father-daughter bond with Ellie, only for his time to be cut short by Abby and the WLF, on account of a brutal beating with a golf club. Many of Jackson knew Joel used to be ruthless, but everyone was sad when he was brutally murdered.]]
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* OffscreenVillainy: He's claimed to have "been on both sides," which is implied to have involved robbing and even killing innocent people.
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: It's unclear exactly what he did in his years prior to meeting Ellie, but it's implied that he may have harmed or even killed innocent people.people, and not in self-defense. When Ellie questions him about this, he only replies with a simple "Hmmph."
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* MisanthropeSupreme: A possible reason why [[spoiler: Joel chose to save Ellie rather than let the Fireflies kill her to extract the cure that might have saved the rest of humanity. Having suffered at the hands of humanity itself during their journey to find a cure, particularly David, causes Joel to decide that what is left of humanity might not be worth saving after all, especially at the cost of Ellie's life.]]
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* MisanthropeSupreme: A possible reason why [[spoiler: Joel chose to save Ellie rather than let the Fireflies kill her to extract the cure that might have saved the rest of humanity. Having suffered at the hands of humanity itself during their journey to find a cure, particularly David, causes Joel to decide that what is left of humanity might not be worth saving after all, especially at the cost of Ellie's life. Not to mention Sarah was killed by a person, not an Infected.]]
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* HeelFaceDoorSlam: [[spoiler:Soon after he was starting to make amends with Ellie for preventing her sacrifice to be a cure for humanity, he is killed by Abby before Ellie can officially forgive him.]]
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* HeelFaceDoorSlam: [[spoiler:Soon after he [[spoiler:Joel was starting to make amends with Ellie for preventing her sacrifice to be a cure for humanity, but he is killed by Abby before Ellie can the day after, denying him the opportunity to officially forgive him.earn Ellie's forgiveness.]]
