Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Characters / SpiderManInsomniacTheSinisterSix

Go To

OR

Changed: 193

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Major Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Major Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) Venom]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]Villains]]-]]]]]

Added: 44164

Changed: 419

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Per cleanup thread


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Major Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Major Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]




For tropes related to him, see [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius his page]].

to:

\n* AdaptationAmalgamation: As one of Spider-Man's greatest enemies, Doc Ock has had many variations over the years, and this version takes cues from just about all of them.
** He's a former mentor to Peter Parker before he turned evil, just as he was in [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries the Animated Series]] and ''[[Film/SpiderMan2 Spider-Man 2]]''.
** He blames Norman Osborn for his woes and seeks revenge on him, just like his cartoon counterparts from ''[[WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012 Ultimate]]'' and ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan Spectacular Spider-Man]]''.
** His insanity is at least partially due to the neural interface used to control his arms affecting his brain. In ''[[Film/SpiderMan2 Spider-Man 2]]'', the AI in Otto's tentacles drives him mad after the inhibitor chip controlling them is fried.
** His body slowly becoming crippled and useless is similar to [[ComicBook/SpiderMan the comics]], where Otto suffers from brain damage for a time thanks to taking one too many blows to the head, causing his body to waste away.
* AdaptationalBadass: Most versions of Doc Ock were foes Spider-Man could defeat with just his standard arsenal or after a modest amount of prep work (with their first fight being very early in Spider-Man's career). This version outright [[CurbStompBattle curb stomps]] Spider-Man to near death the first time they fought (with Spidey having 8 years of experience at this point) and Spidey had to build a specialized suit to counter Doc Ock's tentacles.
* AdaptationalContextChange: Like his comics counterpart, this Otto suffers from a disability which will eventually render his body incapable of doing anything. In the comics it was the ''result'' of his supervillainy (brain damage after repeated blows to the head during battles with Spider-Man), which isn't possible here for a [[AdaptationalLateAppearance multitude]] of [[AdaptationalNiceGuy reasons]]. Instead, here it's reimagined as an actual illness that partially ''causes'' his supervillainy (the research to slow down his illness ends up removing his inhibitions).
* AdaptationalLateAppearance: In the comics, Doctor Octopus was one of the first supervillains Spider-Man faced, and most adaptations have stayed true to this. Here, he first shows up [[ExperiencedProtagonist 8 years into Peter's superhero career]].
* AdaptationOriginConnection: To Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Martin Li, and Norman Osborn, none of whom factored into Otto's descent into villainy in the source material.
** Peter is a fledgling researcher working under Otto at Octavius Industries, a relationship that allows him to work out that Spider-Man and Peter are the same person late in the first game thanks to Peter using Octavius Industries hardware to fix his Spider-Man gear early on.
** Norman is a former friend and business colleague who eventually cut Otto off due to their differing goals on their research. This results in a deep-seated hatred and bitterness for what Otto perceived as an unjust life lived in Norman's shadow and the eventual acceptance of extreme methods to get justice for himself.
** While working with Norman, Octavius worked on the procedure that Norman tested on a young Martin Li (without Otto's knowledge), causing the death of Li's parents. It's implied to be the incident that turned Osborn and Octavius against one another.
* AdaptationalSympathy: Rather than being an InsufferableGenius like usual, Otto's motivation is to make Norman Osborn pay for being a KarmaHoudini that gets to live in the lap of luxury in spite of his sins, while he, who's done the right thing all his life, is barely scraping by.
* AlasPoorVillain: No matter how exaggerated his goals were, it's very hard not to feel bad for him at the end. Having gone fully insane and growing obsessed with his vengeance, Otto, after being thrown at the ground from a skyscraper and barely surviving, shares a final conversation with Peter and tries convincing him that they should team up together. Peter, while breaking down in tears, has to leave Otto [[AxCrazy for obvious reasons]], while Otto [[PleaseDontLeaveMe tries one final time to get him back]]. It hurts to watch, to say the least.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Discussed in-universe during the sequence when Spidey is going on a MushroomSamba from Scorpion's poison. Peter espouses the idea that Otto was driven mad by the flawed interface messing with his brain, while a hallucination of Doctor Octopus mocks him for his belief in Otto's innocence and says that all the interface did was convince him he didn't need to wear a MaskOfSanity anymore.
* ArchEnemy: To Peter Parker, as his former mentor and friend who turns to villainy, becomes the leader of the Sinister Six, and ends up killing Aunt May by attacking New York with the Devil's Breath bioweapon. Peter is furious when he discovers that Otto knew he was Spider-Man all along and opposed him anyway, proving Otto cares more about his revenge on Norman Osborn for shutting down his company than the wellbeing of Peter and innocent people.
* TheAtoner: It is heavily implied that he gives Martin Li his medicine and makes him his second-in-command out of remorse for being involved in the experiment that killed his parents. Although...
* AxCrazy: He's absolutely ''nuts'' by the time he gets the arms working, wreaking devastation with no remorse.
* BadBoss: When Mister Negative fails to defeat Spider-Man during the climax, Ock deems him useless and knocks him out with his tentacles.
* BaldOfEvil: More like Receding Hairline Of Evil.
* BatmanGambit: Sets up a surprisingly simple but effective one that nearly kills Spider-Man after the wall-crawler broke into his lair. The notes he left on a map of New York to destroy Oscorp had Mr. Negative attack and steal the cure to the Devil's Breath with something called "Icarus." Spider-Man searches the lair for whatever "Icarus" might be, but by the time he finds a call from Ock, he realizes there was no "Icarus", and Ock admits it was a ruse just to get Spider-Man into a position to kill him with a bomb. He obviously knew that Spider-Man would get out of the lair before it could detonate, so he had Vulture waiting for him outside.
* BenevolentBoss: Despite the above, it appears that he was genuine in paying back the other members of the Sinister Six, given that there are signs of him looking into their individual problems (curing Vulture's spinal cancer, freeing Rhino of his suit, fulfilling Electro's dreams, and so on).
* BeyondRedemption: Initially, Peter is determined to save Otto from himself and [[IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight repeatedly reminds him of the good man he once was]]... but then Otto reveals that he knew Peter was Spider-Man all along, meaning he had planned the Sinister Six formation and release of Devil's Breath (which is killing Aunt May and countless other citizens as they speak) behind Peter's back and exploited the knowledge of their borderline father-son-esque relationship to best lure him into traps and danger. Hearing this, Peter stops holding back and beats Otto down, sadly acknowledging his hero is beyond saving.
* BigBad: Though he only becomes a supervillain very late into the first game, it's his usurpation of Mr. Negative's plan that ends up posing the greatest threat to New York and the world at large: on top of personally releasing the Devil's Breath virus, the breakout that Doctor Octopus orchestrates at the Raft leaves the city at the mercy of an army of criminals and the destructive powers of the Sinister Six, whom he leads in worsening the carnage in order to satisfy his vendetta against Norman Osborn. Mr. Negative himself, despite being TheHeavy who gave Otto the idea to use the Devil's Breath, defers to his authority after Octavius breaks him out, and is ultimately smacked aside before the final confrontation as Otto personally tries to destroy the Devil's Breath cure.
* BigBadDuumvirate: PlayedWith. Despite Otto being the leader of the Sinister Six in the first game, the plan to destroy Norman's reputation with the Devil's Breath began as Mr. Negative's idea, and Otto doesn't become Doctor Octopus until after Li has been apprehended well into the second half of the story. Octavius is unquestionably the mastermind behind their shared plot for revenge once they join forces in the climax, but even he acknowledges that it was Mr. Negative who laid the groundwork for their plan and inspired him to fall to villainy in the first place.
* BigBadSlippage: He starts off as a kindly old scientist, but the untested neural implant in his tentacles brings out the demon within and turns him into Doctor Octopus, who proceeds to nearly destroy New York with the help of the Sinister Six.
* BigNo: Yells this when Peter disconnects him from his neural implant connecting his arms.
* BitchInSheepsClothing: Tragic as Otto may be, listening to his audio logs while in his lair at Oscorp and you learn that he had been planning his attack on New York as early as Martin Li's initial bombing at City Hall. Similarly, if you revisit his lab in the post-game, you learn that he had already turned on Peter and planned to eliminate him.
* BlessedWithSuck: On one hand, thanks to the neural implant, Otto now has four mechanical arms that he can use to defend himself as well as give him a [[StealthPun hand]] in actively ruining Norman and his reputation. On the other hand, it's stripped him of his inhibitions and could eventually make his neurological condition ''worse'' than it already was.
* BrokenPedestal: Peter does ''not'' take his FaceHeelTurn very well. ''At all.''
-->'''Peter:''' I worshipped you! Your mind... your conscience, wanting to help others... the way you never gave up! [...] You were everything I wanted to be! You just... threw it away!
* TheCameo: When Miles and Mister Negative are having a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind in Peter's brain, a hallucination of Doctor Octopus shows up to briefly attack the former. The real Otto later shows up in TheStinger, where he's shown to be plotting against Spider-Man from prison.
* TheChessmaster: After devolving into KnightTemplar territory thanks to the neural implant's failings, Otto has become this. He developed the mechanical arms that he now wields as weapons (with input from Peter), freed the Sinister Six from the Raft and upgraded them, unleashed [[ThePlague a bio-hazardous virus]] on the city, and ordered the Six to go on a rampage, all to distract Spidey while he and Li got their revenge on Norman. Had Peter not been there to stop him at several turns, Otto would've arguably succeeded.
* ClothesMakeTheManiac: Played with. Peter is never quite certain how much of Doc's rage, viciousness, and mania was inside of him all along and was just [[ThenLetMeBeEvil finally brought out by the implant's power]], or if it was a result of its flaws altering his personality, let alone how long Otto has been testing it on himself in secret. At the very least, Otto's paranoiac tendencies towards Peter are wholly original, horribly twisting their friendship into a bitter rivalry.
* CombatTentacles: What Otto evolved the human arm-like prostheses into, with reflexes that rival even Peter's. They even have yellow TronLines when their internal wiring is exposed, explaining why the tentacles don't look relatively the same when they extend as they do when they're retracted as in the comics.
For tropes related a more threatening appearance, the arms come with SpikesOfVillainy too.
* ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodenames: Outside of a character bio that can be gained in-game, Otto is never referred to as Doctor Octopus; even the subtitles[[note]] Except the final part of Scorpion's nightmare sequence, for some reason[[/note]] and the rest of the Sinister Six refer to him by his civilian name rather than his supervillain name. Jameson's podcasts start calling him an octopus in the postgame and DLC campaigns.
** He's finally referred to by his supervillain name in ''Miles Morales'', with the eponymous character mentioning him in relation to the Raft prisoner he and Peter are escorting.
--->'''Miles:''' One of those guys who helped Doc Ock is in there?
* CrazyPrepared: He kept the details of his plans in his hideout a secret by writing them in ink that required special light shined on them to be seen. In the event Spider-Man actually found the hideout and the plans he left notes about Mr. Negative attacking with something called "Icarus", simply to get Spider-Man looking around the building until he got near a bunch of bombs. In the event the bombs didn't kill Spider-Man, he had Electro and Vulture waiting to ambush him. He could give Batman a run for his money in his level of preperation.
* CurbStompBattle: Inflicts a brutal beatdown on Spider-Man after the second boss fight with Mr. Negative.
* CutLexLuthorACheck: Justified: Otto very much ''wanted'' to use his advanced cybernetics to benefit mankind, but a combination of Norman Osborn screwing him over and his own impatience at his condition potentially crippling him results in him becoming completely consumed by revenge.
* CyberneticsEatYourSoul: Mainly thanks to Otto's [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope reckless jump]] from simple prostheses into mechanical tentacles, as well as an unrefined neural interface.
* DealWithTheDevil: Otto has promised each of the Six their heart's desires in exchange for following his plans for vengeance against Osborn.
* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: A very downplayed example. When Otto has been defeated and Peter is preparing to turn him over to the authorities, Otto begs him to reconsider, saying that he wasn't himself due to the implant he was using that was unstable (which Peter was worried about before everything went wrong). Peter seems to seriously consider this for a moment... but then Otto throws in blackmail on top, noting that Peter will be able to rest easy knowing his secret identity is safe with Otto. At this point, Peter 100% gives up on his mentor and walks away and leaves Otto for the police, telling Otto that he'll have to do what he thinks is best with that knowledge.
* DramaticIrony: No one mentions it, but if the Devil's Breath had been perfected instead of stolen and released as a bioweapon by Otto to spite Norman, it could have ''cured'' the very neurodegenerative disease that partly drove his insanity in the first place. Though to be fair, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope he likely lost all rational thought by that point.]]
* EtTuBrute: After Peter beats him, he states he should have known Peter would "turn on him too." Peter had this reaction ''first'' when Otto reveals he knew Peter was Spider-Man and did all this to him anyway.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Has some sort of twisted dynamic of this to Peter, he even states at the end that he saw Peter as a son. That said, whether or not he actually feels this way is debatable, considering he does try to kill Peter. Even if he spoke the truth, those feelings have completely evaporated by the end of the game, replaced by pure vengeful hatred.
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: In his unstable state, Otto fails to recognize that Spider-Man has other motives for protecting Norman Osborn other than being paid to. He's also smugly unable to realize that Peter would've probably listened to his attempt at an appeal if he didn't shoot himself in the foot by adding an implied threat of revealing his true identity. He appears genuinely confused when Peter doesn't budge at said threat.
* EvilCounterpart: When Peter rebukes Otto's claim that he'd turn on him by telling him everything he'd admired about Otto, Octavius responds that he did what he did because men like them need to use their abilities in the service of others. Even if those people don't understand. They have to do what's best for those ''beneath'' them. It's a dark twist on the overarching "with great power comes great responsibility" theme of Spider-Man as a whole.
* EvilCostumeSwitch: Most obvious when he wears the suit and arms, but is especially notable with his opaque goggles. Once the goggles are on, his shift to villainy is complete.
* EvilIsHammy: Beyond his violent tendencies, you can see how far gone he is thanks to this.
* EvilOldFolks: In his 60s and by far the most dangerous antagonist Peter has yet faced.
* FaceHeelTurn: He starts off as Peter's kindly old mentor and boss, but after he finishes the tentacles, he becomes the game's BigBad.
* FallenHero: Was a genuinely good man, wanting to enrich the world through science and give mobility to those who have been stricken without it. However, his obsession with his pursuit of mobility through machinery to aid his own predicament coupled with the deep-seated bitterness over the fact his desire to do good in the world resulted in Norman Osborn screwing him over pushes him into dangerous and ultimately villainous territory.
* FatalFlaw:
** Impatience. His inability to just wait until Peter can help him iron out the kinks causes both the accident that gives Osborn the excuse to pull the plug and him to put the neural link in before it was even close to safe, which drove him insane. Furthermore, his refusal to wait for Osborn to face justice leads directly to his battle with Spider-Man, who directly mentions he only wants the antiserum to Devil's Breath to save as many people as possible, not to fight his old friend.
** Wrath. He ''hates'' Osborn and ultimately his rage is what causes him to put the neural link back on after being talked down by Peter and fall completely into supervillainy.
* FatBastard: A much bigger emphasis on "bastard" than on "fat"; he's a bit portly instead of being obese, but he's very psychotic at this point, as he's willing to destroy an entire city if it means getting his revenge.
* FauxAffablyEvil: This is pretty clear - one second he can appear charming and charismatic, the next he's staring on coldly as people are infected with Devil's Breath.
* FinalBoss: He's the last obstacle standing between Spider-Man and the cure for the Devil's Breath at the end of the first game, and he's not letting it go without a fight.
* {{Foil}}: Even though he only appears briefly in a post-credit scene in the second game he's clearly become one with Martin Li. While Otto has refused to let go of his need for vengeance against Norman even taking delight in hearing Norman is losing his son, Martin is eventually able to let his quest for revenge go. Martin even manages a sort of reconciliation with Peter and Miles, something Otto clearly has no interest in.
* ForegoneConclusion: Otto's descent into villainy doesn't happen until the game's third act, but given the character's history it was bound to happen sooner or later.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[ForegoneConclusion It's quite obvious fairly early on in the game that at some point Otto is going to become Doctor Octopus.]] Putting aside that his work on neural interfacing prosthetics lines up perfectly with the inevitable creation of his harness and tentacles, as things progress the designs for prosthetics on his whiteboard in the lab begin to look more like tentacles than arms, his voicemails to Peter excitedly talk about "going beyond the limits of the human body' with this technology, and when using the prosthetic he wears a green welding suit that looks very much like a modern re-imagining of his comic outfit. He's also repeatedly demonstrated that while he's a good man with good intensions, he's prone to emotional outbursts and willing to resort to dangerous and amoral extremes to push the boundaries of his research. Even someone only vaguely familiar with Doctor Octopus would pick up on the obvious clues that Otto is going to become a supervillain. This actually makes it more effective when the ''real'' plot twists are revealed -- that he was masterminding the Sinister Six since at least the City Hall bombing, and knows Peter's secret identity.
* FormerlyFat: [[spoiler:In TheStinger to ''Spider-Man 2'', Otto's looking worse for wear, having lost a significant amount of weight in prison. His chin has loose skin, his face is gaunt, and in his loose prison jumpsuit, he's closer to LeanAndMean than his formerly chubby physique.]]
* FreudianExcuse: Otto was once a good scientist who wanted to help people (as well as himself), but was betrayed by Osborn, and now wants revenge on him instead.
* FromNobodyToNightmare: The humble researcher Dr. Otto Octavius becomes New York City's number one menace. In fact, his status as a nobody is part of what pushed him to become a nightmare (Norman Osborn saw great success without Otto, despite a close working relationship in the dawn of their careers, while Otto's attempts to use science for the good of mankind are vastly overlooked and disregarded; he holds a deep-seated grudge against Norman and his achievements).
* GeniusBruiser: Thanks to his robotic limbs, he is extremely strong, and he is a crafty mastermind on top of being a brilliant scientist.
* GollumMadeMeDoIt: After Peter defeats Doctor Octopus, Otto blames his SanitySlippage and rampage on his tentacles' AI -- a reference to ''Film/SpiderMan2''.
* GoneHorriblyWrong: Attaching an untested, unperfected neural link directly into his brain did not go how he'd hoped.
* GreenEyedMonster: Part of the reason he hates Osborn so much is that he's jealous of all the success that Norman has enjoyed, while he works in relative obscurity and his funding is dependent on Osborn's goodwill.
* {{Hammerspace}}: He somehow manages to hide all four of his robotic tentacles from Peter behind his own back in order to pleasantly surprise his protege. In the comics, the tentacles are six feet long at minimum - longer than Octavius is tall (5'10").
* HeWhoFightsMonsters: He wants to make Osborn pay for his crimes... but becomes so consumed by his desire for revenge that he becomes a monster himself and releases a plague.
* HijackedByGanon: The main villain for most of the game is the obscure Mr. Negative, but the iconic villain Doctor Octopus seizes control of the plot in Act 3.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: On two levels: partly from Peter making the Anti-Ock suit from the same technology Otto's tentacles were made of, left lying around at their old lab which helped him keep in the fight even as the two [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beat the ever-loving hell out of each other]]; and partly because Otto decided to try to finish the fight by [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice stabbing Spider-Man with a tentacle]] and drawing him close. His emotions and rage running high blinded him to realizing that he was unwittingly keeping Spidey in reaching distance of disabling the neural transmitter, and finally gets shut down for good due to it.
* HopeSpot: Prior to his descent into madness, Peter sees Otto having finally create the arms, but turns it off after Peter tells him it's not only incomplete, prolonged use would worsen his condition. Otto agrees with a smile... until he sees Norman on the news.
* IControlMyMinionsThrough: Each of the Six wants something Otto claims he can give them. Outlined in his evil lair, where he has a station for each member of the Sinister Six. Whether or not he could actually manage to give all of them what they want as quickly as he suggests is probably debatable depending on the bribe, though Peter does note that his attempts at fulfilling his end of the bargain are extremely good.
** Martin Li's hatred of Osborn is at least as strong as Otto's, so all Otto has to do is promise a shot at {{Revenge}} and he's in. It's definitely possible that once Osborn was fully at Li's currently nonexistent mercy he and Otto would disagree about exactly how to punish him.
** Adrian Toomes is dying of cancer thanks to [[ToxicPhlebotinum his suit]] and is promised a quick, effective treatment.
** Max Dillon is in for a piece of the action, wanting to become 'pure energy'. Otto promises him power and gives him gear that boosts what he has.
** Aleksei Sytsevich wants to be able to [[ClingyCostume remove his armor]], and Otto whips up a solvent that took a sample piece off. The lure of release is enough that despite not being a team player and detesting the Scorpion he works with Mac.
** Mac Gargan has the simplest payment: Money. He could probably get it himself given time. However, unspoken there's the fact that he's a CardCarryingVillain and the sadism of the plan appeals
to him, even when it means working with the Rhino.
* IntergenerationalFriendship: It is made clear by the note Spider-Man finds in Li's lair, along with his willingness to consistently refer to him as Martin, even when he refers to the rest of the Six by their aliases shows that Octavius and Li have known each other for years, despite the fact that Li is 46, and Otto is over 60.
* ItsAllAboutMe: By the time of the climax, he's so obsessed with getting revenge on Norman, nothing else takes precedence. He seems entirely blind about the casualties he's causing, at most considering them necessary collateral damage to take down Norman. Even when Peter is practically ''begging'' him to give him the anti-serum so he can cure those affected by Devil's Breath before dealing with Osborn, he completely refuses to compromise and forces Peter into a battle since he won't get his way.
-->'''Peter:''' Can't you
see [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius all the people you're hurting!?\\
'''Otto:''' You'll never understand! You haven't suffered like I have!
* IveComeTooFar: Seems to have this mentality by the first game's final battle, even as [[SecretSecretKeeper he reveals he knew Peter was Spider-Man the entire time]]. As Peter puts on a look of disappointment seeing [[FallenHero how far Otto has gone from the man he once was]], Otto has
his page]].[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone own look of regret]], and only has this to say:
-->'''Otto:''' I won't let you win. This means too much to me!
* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: The result of the neural interface controlling his arms being unrefined by Otto and Peter turned off Otto's inhibitions and into a full-blown supervillain, going so far as to release ThePlague on the city and put thousands of lives at risk.
* KickTheDog:
** Beyond knowing that Spider-Man was Peter Parker and thus everything he did to him was pretty much this right down to exploiting their relationship to his advantage, Otto also decides to call Martin Li [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness useless for failing to stop Spider-Man]] and promptly slams him aside before utterly beating down Spidey to near-death. Keep in mind that Martin may have been on the cusp of a HeelRealization when he does this, and that he and Octavius have semi-identical motives that brought them together in the first place.
** Upon hearing Norman confirm that Harry was taken from him by the Spider-Men, an innocent person having absolutely nothing to do with their rivalry, Otto merely says "Good." Even considering Otto's hatred for Norman, saying that to a grieving parent is downright ''cold'', also even considering [[VillainHasAPoint the things Norman was previously involved with]].
* KnightTemplar: A very interesting example. While he has genuine shades of a WellIntentionedExtremist for the larger part of the game, thinking of Osborn as a criminal who needs to be punished, he becomes so obsessed with his revenge on Osborn at the end that it is hard to understand him as necessarily well-intentioned rather than obsessed.
* KnightOfCerebus: Otto's transformation into Doctor Octopus changes the tone of the entire game, as Peter's anguish reaches new heights and the entire city is in danger.
* LargeHam: He hams it up a bit at the end. [[BlatantLies "Everything you have is built on lies! LIES!!"]]
* LightningBruiser: Doctor Octopus is horrifically powerful and quick, making a late-middle-aged man more than Spider-Man's match. Otto's neural interface moves his prosthetic limbs faster than ''the speed of thought'', so once he completes his CombatTentacles, he's able to [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] Peter at the peak of his strength and is much, ''much'' stronger (to the point that Peter has to develop a specialized suit to combat him).
* LikeASonToMe: Whereas he never admitted it prior to becoming Doctor Octopus, he does now - after finally being beaten by Spider-Man, his neural interface disabled, and being left on the side of collapsed rubble begging for Peter to help and join him against Osborn. And in the same breath as accusing Peter as having turned on him like Osborn did. It hurts Peter, especially since Otto continues to try to justify his views, implying that at this point they're nothing more than a hollow declaration compared to if he had bothered saying it before.
* MadeOfIron: Doc Ock can take a hell of a beating despite being a portly man in his early 60s. [[JustifiedTrope This is justified]] in-story when you [[FreezeFrameBonus check the blueprints in Otto's Lab]] on the evolution of his harness -- his green jumpsuit reinforces the harness and serves as powerful body armor to protect the user [[{{Foreshadowing}} in the event of a fall.]]
* MirrorCharacter: With Norman Osborn, no less. Both of them are willing to take enormous risks to vanquish a disease (Otto's neural condition, and the disease affecting Harry and his mom, respectively), regardless of the price to themselves and others, and both are willing to skip steps and jump ahead to get results. In fact, this very behavior on Osborn's part is what caused their falling out. Osborn, against Otto's advice and without his knowledge, proceeded to test a cure on Martin Li, hoping it'd allow him to save his wife. Otto ends up doing the same thing himself when it comes to testing the neural interface, disregarding Peter's advice and going behind his back. Similarly, both him and Osborn hold a certain superiority complex over regular people due to their intelligence.
-->'''Otto:''' We have to do what's best for those beneath us, whether they understand it or not.
* MoralMyopia: Even after all the damage Otto has done to New York City, potential casualties included, Otto insists to Spider-Man that he's fighting the wrong man by confronting him.
-->'''Otto:''' OSBORN'S the criminal! Not me.
* MoreThanMindControl: Discussed; after Spider-Man is poisoned by Scorpion, he sees hallucinations of Otto as he was before the neural interface corrupted him. Said hallucinations state that Otto's "obsessions" were always there, and the interface just removed his inhibitions and allowed him to fully embrace them. Even this is likely Spider-Man's subconscious placing too much blame on the interface, as Octavius designs his upgrades for the Sinister Six and plans the breakout at Ryker's long before the interface is even developed.
* MovieSuperheroesWearBlack: His suit is more or less taken straight from the comics, but it's now a much darker shade of green, and the traditionally yellow collar and gloves are totally black. The yellow isn't completely gone, as some of the black parts of his suit (the aforementioned gloves in particular) are highlighted somewhat with a mustard-y color. His tentacles, meanwhile, are jet-black instead of the usual silver, with glowing yellow lights.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone:
** Otto has a brief expression of regret after throwing Spidey from atop of the Raft when the Sinister Six form.
** He also flashes the same expression when confronting Peter about knowing he was Spider-Man, after seeing Peter's distraught face under the mask/helmet. Although that could just be [[OhCrap pure terror]] at the realization [[BullyingADragon he just pissed off a very powerful superhero]] who now has a very good reason to stop pulling their punches.
* NeverMyFault:
** Minor example; he actually acknowledges the catastrophe that he's caused, but tries to justify it by saying its his way of punishing Norman, and tries to say Peter betrayed him.
** Interestingly, a lot of his vindictiveness towards Norman can also come off as that. He's spiteful over the fact that [[BreakupBreakout while Norman went on to become rich and successful]], Otto was left unacknowledged and left him penniless. Even though Otto, justifiably, was taking a moral stand, he ignores the fact that technically ''he'' was the one to cut off ties between the duo.
* NoHoldsBarredBeatdown:
** Delivers an absolutely ''brutal'' one to Peter under Oscorp's lab. It leaves the latter unconscious and bleeding heavily ''through his suit''. It takes a doctor, surgical equipment and several hours for him to recover, and even then he should be resting.
** After revealing that he [[WhamLine knew all along]] about Peter's secret identity as Spider-Man (perhaps as far back as the beginning of the game), he attempts this again hoping it broke Peter's fighting spirit. Otto quickly [[OhCrap finds out the hard way]] that he instead just pressed a BerserkButton and gets pummeled himself, only barely managing to turn it around with his tentacles and a bit of [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice stabbing]] at the last minute. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Which draws Peter in close enough to disable his neural interface anyway.]]
* NoSympathy: When Norman tells him about Harry's condition, Otto replies with an ice-cold "good". He's likewise unsympathetic to Norman's desire for revenge, refusing to even confirm that he knows who either of the Spider-Men are when asked.
* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: He tries to justify his crimes by passing them off as an attempt to bring the otherwise untouchable Norman Osborn to justice. However the fact that he is willing to release dangerous criminals to run wild on the streets and infect Manhattan with a deadly disease that could becoming a global pandemic that could kill millions if not billions, shows that all he really cares about is getting revenge, innocents be damned.
* OlderHeroVsYoungerVillain: Despite becoming Doctor Octopus a good 8 years in Peter's career as Spider-Man in this adaptation, this is actually one of the biggest [[InvertedTrope inversions]]; Peter is in his early 20s, while Otto is a 60-something year old man.
* OpaqueLenses: His goggles reflect the city, and it's used for rather great effect.
* PetTheDog: Downplayed. He sounds genuine about wanting to help the Sinister Six with their respective goals, but it's ambiguous as to whether he would follow through (though there are implications he's quite sincere about wanting to help Vulture since Octavius is also suffering from sickness). In ''2'', he actually keeps his promise about keeping Peter's identity as Spider-Man a secret when Norman demands to know his civilian identity, though it's blatantly obvious he's keeping Peter less because of whatever remains of their bond and more because he ''really'' hates Norman, still being the last person he'd ever even tell it to.
* RedHerring: Peter convinces Otto to stop using the neural interface until it is perfected since it could result in a change in his personality, implying that the tentacles are what drove him to villainy. However when Otto reveals he knew that Peter was Spider-Man all along and the implications that he was planning the attack on Rykers and the formation of the Sinister Six well before he created the tentacles, it becomes clear that he was already evil and they, at best, just removed his inhibitions.
* RevengeBeforeReason: Even though he says he'll cure the Devil's Breath victims during his boss fight, he also makes it abundantly clear that he doesn't care how many people die from it as long as Osborn suffers for everything he's done first.
* RevengeIsNotJustice: Doctor Octavius wants revenge because Norman Osborn ruined his career years ago and continues to cause trouble for him even after. When Octavius's tentacles begin to chip away his inhibitions, he becomes more and more desperate for revenge. At first, Peter assumes that it was the tentacles manipulating him until he discovers that Octavius was always in control and he knew all along that Peter was Spider-Man. Finally realizing that his friend and mentor was willing to sacrifice countless civilians to hurt Osborn and that their friendship meant nothing to him, Peter finally drops the special treatment and defeats him.
* SecondaryColorNemesis: Wears green as part of his supervillain outfit, and even wore a green sweater as a normal man.
* SecretSecretKeeper: Refers to Spider-Man as "Parker" when he gains the upper hand in their final confrontation, revealing he may have slowly realized, or just always known, that Peter was the hero rather than Spider-Man's research partner or gadget technician. The end of ''Spider-Man 2'' suggests he's not so easily going to tell Norman of all people who either of the Spider-Men are, since he of course feels Norman deserved to experience loss through what happened with Harry.
* SelfServingMemory: After Peter finally defeats his fallen idol, Otto curses Peter for "turning on him," ignoring the fact that Otto was the one who chose to turn on Peter first. Otto attacked the Raft to recruit the Sinister Six with orders to attack Spider-Man, knowing full well that Spider-Man was Peter.
* ShadowArchetype: To Ben Parker. Both are important father figures to Peter but their legacies are very different from each other. Whilst Uncle Ben ultimately dies a good, just man who (most likely) taught Peter that WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility, Otto is ultimately imprisoned for letting his rage and genius corrupt him and impose his power and intellect onto others, something he emphasizes to Peter before being sent to the Raft.
* SpandexLatexOrLeather: Leather, in this incarnation. His outfit resembles his tights from the original comics, but the suit he wears is noted to be an insulated over-clothes jumpsuit used for electro-mechanical work, has a more muted color, and is made from thicker, stiffer material.
* StartOfDarkness: Unlike his comic book counterpart, this version finds his descent into villainy happening long after Spider-Man has risen to prominence as Manhattan's friendly neighborhood superhero. The game tells the story of how his rage at Norman Osborn and the race against time he believes he's in against his degenerating condition blend together to create a powerful new enemy for Spider-Man.
* StopHittingYourself: Can be subjected to it by using a Finisher-type move on him. Spider-Man grabs one of his mechanical arms and forcibly slams the claw down over him. Ouch.
* SuperReflexes: His tentacles can transmit and receive information from his brain in under a nanosecond[[note]] equal to a billionth of a second, or 0.000000001 seconds. That's the amount of time it takes light to travel one foot.[[/note]], far faster than any signal the human brain can normally produce[[note]] which normally travel at 70-120 m/s, or a third of the speed of sound[[/note]]. This lets Otto take on Spidey and his own SuperReflexes and maintain the upper hand throughout their fight.
* ThatManIsDead: When Spider-Man tries to [[IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight reason with him]], reminding him of the good man he once was, Octavius tells him point-blank that that man is gone and Peter can't save him, regarding his former self as a weakling and a loser.
** This gets to the point where "Otto Octavius" and "Doctor Octopus" receive their own, separate bios instead of being just one; justified in that Peter himself writes the bios, and believes that he can rehabilitate Otto.
* TookALevelInJerkass: Even beyond his SanitySlippage, Otto has become so embittered during his time in prison that he tells Norman [[KickTheDog it's a good thing]] that Norman's son was left in a coma, despite Harry being innocent of Norman's crimes.
* TragicVillain: One of Octavius's main reasons for delving into neural prosthetic research is because steady exposure to toxic chemicals in his "reckless youth" left him with [[EvilCripple an undamaged brain but deteriorating motor functions]], and Osborn's betrayal ensured that he couldn't even benefit from his past -- Norman got the profits while Otto just suffered in obscurity.
* UnskilledButStrong: He had just started his stint as a rogue during the events of the game, being the least experienced in actual crime of all of Spidey's villains. That said, his arms are so powerful that Pete needs to create a suit specifically designed to fight him. He also more than makes up for his lack of experience as a criminal with his sheer brilliance, such that the Vulture praises Otto's skill as a planner.
* VengeanceFeelsEmpty: When he has Osborn hanging off a rooftop, ready to kill him, he expects Osborn to beg for his life. Instead, he proceeds to give Otto a ''scathing'' ReasonYouSuckSpeech, and his sheer anger combined with sadness gives the impression that he felt it was AllForNothing.
* VillainousBreakdown: Completely loses his cool in the final battle. When Peter leaves him for the police, Otto begs him not to leave, but Peter has already lost faith in him and has no choice but to get him to face justice for his crimes.
* VillainHasAPoint: Nobody denies Osborn has done terrible things and that Otto has every right to hate him. It's a pity that Otto's desire for revenge is going too far. Otto's words about how Norman [[LargeHam ''has to lose everything!'']] rings somewhat true since Norman avoids going to prison by the end of the game.
** In TheStinger for ''2'', he's not entirely wrong about how Norman deserved to experience loss through what happened with Harry, as with or without the more personal stuff between them or the Spider-Men, he practically brought it on himself.
* VillainTeamUp: As stated above, he's the BigBad of the Sinister Six in this game, having developed their suit upgrades, but is primarily working with Mr. Negative in taking revenge on Osborn while the other four occupy Spidey.
* WalkingSpoiler: The mere fact that Otto Octavius is in the [[SirNotAppearingInThisTrailer first game was completely left out of marketing]] because it alone spoils that [[ForegoneConclusion Doctor Octopus would be in it]].
* WasItAllALie: After he becomes Doctor Octopus, Pete and MJ discuss his feelings about the "good" Octavius:
-->'''Spider-Man:''' MJ, hey. You mind if I toss a kinda thorny ethical question at you? When is it OK to give up on a friend?\\
'''MJ:''' Oh wow, Pete. Thinking of Otto?\\
'''Spider-Man:''' That obvious, huh?\\
'''MJ:''' Yeah; understandable though. Man... [[ThePowerOfFriendship the high minded, generous part of me]] wants to say "never" -- [[UndyingLoyalty being a true friend means being there]], even when people lose their way... [[WesternTerrorists but with what Otto's done]]... I just don't know, Pete. [[Main/IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight I guess you have to decide if the Otto Octavius you knew is still in there]] or not... maybe if he was ever even in there at all...
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Now that his ties to Norman have long since devolved into unrelenting hatred, Otto ends up repeating this trope with Peter at the end. Peter and MJ discuss this after his attack on the Raft, with Peter wondering when is the right time to give up on a friend. MJ consoles him by noting that Peter should decide if the man he knew is still inside Octopus, or if he ever existed in the first place. MJ also points out that she doesn't know if Otto's rampage, and his unleashing of a biochemical weapon, injuring and killing many people, can actually be forgiven.
* WellIntentionedExtremist: He ''sees'' himself as this, failing to realize that his vengeance against Norman won't really solve much beyond self-vindication and the fact that he released Devil's Breath onto the populace of Manhattan. He tries to get Spider-Man to join him by claiming he'll cure it once he's killed Norman, but this rings hollow given the sheer apathy and/or rage he's demonstrated for the world around him at this point.
* WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility: A dark aversion of the trope. In his final monologue, Otto rants about how it's his and Peter's responsibility as superior and powerful men to guide those beneath them... whether they want it or not.
* YouAreWhatYouHate: As mentioned above, he and Osborn have a lot in common which might be part of why Otto hates him so much. Osborn represents everything bad that also exists in Otto.
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: Throws Mr. Negative aside after the latter's boss battle, calling him "useless".
* YourSizeMayVary: The size of the claws at the end of his tentacles fluctuates from scene to scene. During the CurbStompBattle he gives Spider-Man after Mr. Negative's defeat the claws are roughly the size of Spidey's head, yet during their fight on the side of Oscorp tower they're bigger than Spider-Man's torso
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Major Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMajorVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMinorVillains Minor Villains]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AdaptationalWimp: Only in one case, When creating the Anti-Venom Symbiote he puts in all of his energy into Peter who was weakened by the venom symbiote who left traces of itself inside him, to purify Peter's symbiote hence creating Anti-Venom, and is left completely powerless as a result. while in the comics Mr Negative does so to Eddie very casually when curing his cancer but accidentally making the Anti-Venom Symbiote and still has lots of power within him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ButForMeItWasTuesday: During the events of ''Spider-Man 2'', Miles brings up his dad's death when he finally confronts him. Even when Li rummages through Miles' mind and discoverd his real name and who his loved ones are, it still takes him a while to figure out whose death exactly made Miles so upset.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ItsPersonalWithTheDragon: Rhino may have become TheDragon to Simon Krieger, but the former is still regarded as Miles Morales’ ArchEnemy due to being his most reoccurring nemesis, while Miles doesn’t have much of a personal conflict with Simon beyond learning that Simon is the reason why Miles’s friend Phin has become the villain The Thinker.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: [[spoiler:As Miles brutally lays out for him during their battle in ''Spider-Man 2'', it doesn't matter what Martin Li lost; he still killed innocent people just because [[ItsAllAboutMe he decided his problems were more important than theirs]].]]

to:

* FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: [[spoiler:As Miles brutally lays out for him during their battle in ''Spider-Man 2'', it doesn't matter what Martin Li lost; he still killed innocent people just because [[ItsAllAboutMe he decided his problems were more important than theirs]].their lives]].]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ButtMonkey: In his dual-boss fight with Rhino, because Rhino is bigger and stronger of the two bosses, it's possible to let Rhino take out Scorpion and knocking him out of the fight so you'd have one less boss to worry with. Even after the fight is done, Rhino and and Scorpion start bickering at each other, resulting in another fight. Apparently, Rhino ''won'' that fight.

Added: 195

Changed: 388

Removed: 370

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trope was cut/disambiguated due to cleanup


* EvilSoundsDeep: He constantly speaks in a deep and intimidating tone, to the point it sounds like he's snarling while talking, as befitting of a perpetually pissed-off man dressed like a rhino.



* GutturalGrowler: He constantly sounds like he's snarling while talking, as befitting of a perpetually pissed-off man dressed like a rhino.
* HiddenDepths: In ''Miles Morales'', he claims to enjoy fly fishing on the river Volga when Miles asks if he has any non-violent hobbies. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] when his reason for it is [[{{Sadist}} the thrill of controlling life and death.]] Still, he definitely doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be patient enough for something like that at first glance.

to:

* GutturalGrowler: He constantly sounds like he's snarling while talking, as befitting of a perpetually pissed-off man dressed like a rhino.
* HiddenDepths: In ''Miles Morales'', he claims to enjoy fly fishing on the river Volga when Miles asks if he has any non-violent hobbies. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] when his reason for it is [[{{Sadist}} the thrill of controlling life and death.]] death]]. Still, he definitely doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be patient enough for something like that at first glance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Depower}}: [[spoiler:In ''Spider Man 2'', he [[BigDammHeroes shows up to save both Miles and Peter]] when they're being mobbed by symbiote-possessed civilians at City Hall, [[ManOfKryptonite his powers having the unique effect of countering the Symbiote matter]] because of their [[EmotionEater inherent nature]] of enhancing and corrupting the negative emotions in a target to bend them to their will -- something Li's powers also do, which Miles [[NotSoDifferentRemark takes note of]]. Due to the remnant symbiote matter still within him,, Peter is still heavily affected despite this, forcing Li and Miles into a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind to reach the source of the negative emotions the Symbiote is feeding on. To free him fully, Li decides to channel all of his powers into Peter, despite the risks to himself, the result reformatting the residual symbiote into the Anti-Venom suit whilst rendering Martin into a normal human once more, which he's perfectly okay with as part of his efforts to atone for his past]].

to:

* {{Depower}}: [[spoiler:In ''Spider Man 2'', he [[BigDammHeroes shows up to save both Miles and Peter]] when they're being mobbed by symbiote-possessed civilians at City Hall, [[ManOfKryptonite his powers having the unique effect of countering the Symbiote matter]] because of their [[EmotionEater inherent nature]] of enhancing and corrupting the negative emotions in a target to bend them to their will -- something Li's powers also do, which Miles [[NotSoDifferentRemark takes note of]]. Due to the remnant symbiote matter still within him,, him, Peter is still heavily affected despite this, forcing Li and Miles into a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind to reach the source of the negative emotions the Symbiote is feeding on. To free him fully, Li decides to channel all of his powers into Peter, despite the risks to himself, the result reformatting the residual symbiote into the Anti-Venom suit whilst rendering Martin into a normal human once more, which he's perfectly okay with as part of his efforts to atone for his past]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TokenGoodTeammate: Out of the six, Martin is the one who has an inner struggle with his superpowered negative side, and goes through several {{Heel Realization}}s over the course of the story. [[spoiler:He even undergoes a full HeelFaceTurn in the sequel, helping Miles to save Peter from the symbiote's corruption]].

to:

* TokenGoodTeammate: Out of the six, Martin is the only one who has an inner struggle with his superpowered negative side, and goes through several {{Heel Realization}}s over the course of the story. [[spoiler:He even undergoes a full HeelFaceTurn in the sequel, helping Miles to save Peter from the symbiote's corruption]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven The Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven The the Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven The Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]]) Venom]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven The Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]

to:

[-[[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacHeroes Heroes]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParker Peter Parker]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacSupportingCast Supporting Cast]] ([[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacOttoOctavius Otto Octavius]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVillains Villains]] ('''The Sinister Six''' | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacVenom Venom]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacKraven Kraven The Hunter]]) | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacPeterParkerSuits Peter's suits]] | [[Characters/SpiderManInsomniacMilesMoralesSuits Miles's suits]]-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* MoralMyopia: Is initially outraged when Miles hesitates to save him from drowning, apparently the idea that his many victims having loved ones who may want revenge on him, hadn’t occurred to him. Even later he dismisses Miles’ anger towards him, sarcastically asking if Miles expects an apology. Eventually however, after Miles saves him, it’s enough for Li to start questioning himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Walking spoilers are characters you can't really discuss at all without spoiling plot points, not just characters with big secrets.


* WalkingSpoiler: In-Universe at least; nobody was aware he was Mr. Negative. [[spoiler: There is the fact that his fate of becoming a super-villain reveals that Osborn is responsible for a lot of messed up things, however.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SparedButNotForgiven: [[spoiler:In the second game. Just before a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind to free Peter of the Venom Symbiote's corruption, Miles takes an opportunity to speak with Li. Essentially, Miles says that even though he's confident that Li's HeelFaceTurn was legit, and even though Miles will let go of his need for vengeance on Li, Miles can ultimately never forgive Li for causing his father's death. Li appears to sadly accept this conclusion.]]

to:

* SparedButNotForgiven: [[spoiler:In the second game. Just before a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind to free Peter of the Venom Symbiote's corruption, Miles takes an opportunity to speak with Li. Essentially, Miles says that that, even though he's confident that Li's HeelFaceTurn was legit, is legit and even though Miles will let go of his need for vengeance on Li, vengeance, Miles can ultimately never forgive Li for causing his father's death. Li appears to sadly accept this conclusion.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AmbiguousSituation: He is the only member of the Sinister Six to not show up or even get mentioned in ''VideoGame/MarvelsSpiderMan2'' and as a result it's never revealed if he is still imprisoned at the Raft like Doc Ock, or if he was among the villains who got captured and killed by Kraven. A DummiedOut part of Kraven's trophy room would have revealed he was indeed killed with his head mounted on the wall alongside the other killed villains, but due to being scrapped content and other inconsistencies with the final game[[note]][[spoiler:Electro]] is absent from the trophy room but is one of Kraven's confirmed victims in the final game[[/note]] it's unclear whether this should still be treated as canon.

to:

* AmbiguousSituation: He is the only member of the Sinister Six to not show up or even get mentioned in ''VideoGame/MarvelsSpiderMan2'' and as a result it's never revealed if he is still imprisoned at the Raft like Doc Ock, or if he was among the villains who got captured and killed by Kraven. A DummiedOut [[spoiler:A Dummied Out part of Kraven's trophy room would have revealed he was indeed killed with his head mounted on the wall alongside the other killed villains, but due to being scrapped content and other inconsistencies with the final game[[note]][[spoiler:Electro]] game[[note]]Electro is absent from the trophy room but is one of Kraven's confirmed victims in the final game[[/note]] it's unclear whether this should still be treated as canon.]]

Top