History Characters / SawJigsawAndAccomplices

* TheDragon: Jigsaw blackmails him into this position in the first film. Though later films show that he was already working with Amanda on that game and Hoffman on different games at that same time.

** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.

** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a medical examiner and former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.

** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.

* DrowningMySorrows: One of the flashbacks in ''Film/SawV'' features him drinking alcoholic drinks at a bar to emphasize his depression at the moment. It's implied in flashbacks taking place at similar points in ''Film/Saw3D'' that this ended up boiling into alcoholism, hence Hoffman's unusual open violence towards criminals while on his police job.

-->''"What do you think you're doing? What the fuck do you think you're doing?! Huh?! No! You can't fucking do this to me! Fuck you! No! NO!"''

'''Hoffman:''' You're sure about that?

* TheCameo: Makes an appearance in TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', helping John trap one of his victims.

* EvilHasABadSenseOfHumor: In TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', he rather cruelly tells Kessler that he'd call Kessler's group's choice of scamming John "epic bad luck".

** Replacing John's letter to Amanda with one of his own that threatened to reveal her secret.

* BleedEmAndWeep: Did this after killing Donnie Greco, covered in blood no less.

* BoyishShortHair: She sports this style in ''Saw II'' and ''X'', but later grows her hair again in ''III''.

* RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver: Amanda wears a red cloak alongside a pig mask with black hair when capturing victims. She also dresses in a more casual red and black outfit in ''III''.

** In ''Saw X'', Amanda is as horrified by Cecilia's cold-blooded ruthlessness as John is. She is deeply furious when Cecilia snaps Gabriela's neck as casually as if she were killing an insect, and is disturbed when Cecilia places Carlos (a child) to die in the bloodboarding trap simply out of spite towards John.

* DecoyDamsel: Combined with a SequencingDeception in ''Saw II''. Amanda is set up to be the FinalGirl of the Nerve Gas House to Daniel's FinalBoy, with Eric seemingly coming to find and rescue them. By the time Eric enters were Amanda and Daniel were last seen, however, it turns out that their presence was at different times, and Eric is promptly anaesthetised and locked up by Amanda, who reveals herself as Jigsaw's protége at the house.

* EvilCounterpart: Ironically, Hoffman somewhat reflects a more twisted and evil version of John. Both were ostensibly kind men until the death of a loved one changed them for the worse. Like John, Hoffman's first victim was a man who killed his relative.

* EvilCounterpart: Ironically, Hoffman somewhat reflects a more twisted and evil version of John. Both were once kind man until the death of their loved ones changed them for the worse. Like John, Hoffman's first victim was a man who killed his relative.