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* ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'': Potentially.
** The story revolves around the concept that evil wins when good people do nothing -- Lila did incredible damage thanks to Adrien's refusal to act against her. However, part of Marinette's KarmicJackpot stems from her opting to cut ties with him and the rest of her ungrateful classmates, which includes no longer going out of her way to oppose Lila. While probably good for her mental health, this could also be interpreted as "Oppose evil, but not when evil heaps consequences upon the complicit."
** The class losing their dreams and valuables to Lila is framed as LaserGuidedKarma for how they [[AllTakeAndNoGive constantly took advantage of Marinette]], sending the message that taking people for granted and exploiting them doesn't pay in the long run. However, the fact that they have no hope of gaining restitution, even for work they did honestly before Lila stole it from them (not to mention Adrien [[spoiler:losing the Agreste emergency fund solely due to terribly poor judgement on his part]]), could be interpreted as saying that people who are victimized by scammers and con artists ''deserve'' to be taken advantage of for being stupid/greedy enough to fall for their lies.
** The story revolves around the concept that evil wins when good people do nothing -- Lila did incredible damage thanks to Adrien's refusal to act against her. However, part of Marinette's KarmicJackpot stems from her opting to cut ties with him and the rest of her ungrateful classmates, which includes no longer going out of her way to oppose Lila. While probably good for her mental health, this could also be interpreted as "Oppose evil, but not when evil heaps consequences upon the complicit."
** The class losing their dreams and valuables to Lila is framed as LaserGuidedKarma for how they [[AllTakeAndNoGive constantly took advantage of Marinette]], sending the message that taking people for granted and exploiting them doesn't pay in the long run. However, the fact that they have no hope of gaining restitution, even for work they did honestly before Lila stole it from them (not to mention Adrien [[spoiler:losing the Agreste emergency fund solely due to terribly poor judgement on his part]]), could be interpreted as saying that people who are victimized by scammers and con artists ''deserve'' to be taken advantage of for being stupid/greedy enough to fall for their lies.
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* ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'': Potentially.
** The story''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'' revolves around the concept that evil wins when good people do nothing -- Lila did incredible damage thanks to Adrien's refusal to act against her. However, part of Marinette's KarmicJackpot stems from her opting to cut ties with him and the rest of her ungrateful classmates, which includes no longer going out of her way to oppose Lila. While probably good for her mental health, this could also be interpreted as "Oppose evil, but not when evil heaps consequences upon the complicit."\n** The class losing their dreams and valuables to Lila is framed as LaserGuidedKarma for how they [[AllTakeAndNoGive constantly took advantage of Marinette]], sending the message that taking people for granted and exploiting them doesn't pay in the long run. However, the fact that they have no hope of gaining restitution, even for work they did honestly before Lila stole it from them (not to mention Adrien [[spoiler:losing the Agreste emergency fund solely due to terribly poor judgement on his part]]), could be interpreted as saying that people who are victimized by scammers and con artists ''deserve'' to be taken advantage of for being stupid/greedy enough to fall for their lies.
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** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. And most importantly, Ruby's reveal only goes so smoothly because she not only had the immediately support of Jaune and Yang, but [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the mistakes they made when reacting to ''Jaune'' having his secret revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
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** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. And most importantly, Ruby's reveal only goes so smoothly because she not only had the immediately immediate support of Jaune and Yang, but [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the mistakes they made when reacting to ''Jaune'' having his secret revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
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** From the start, it says that Pure-blood extremists and HYDRA are wrong and that heritage doesn't matter and anyone can be great if they try. But the story does not follow that format at all, with apparently everyone significant having special heritage, including Lily, brilliant muggleborn witch, who's related to Jean Grey (Harry's second cousin). Also, Hermione, other brilliant muggleborn witch? No, she's actually the daughter of the Scarlet Witch, daughter of Magneto and potential Sorceress Supreme, and John Constantine. Same with [[spoiler:Carol Danvers - courageous BadassNormal (pre-powers - though as of 2019, in the comics she was always part Kree) who succeeded through wit and skill? Actually related to Captain America]].
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** From the start, it says that Pure-blood extremists and HYDRA are wrong and that heritage doesn't matter and anyone can be great if they try. But the story does not follow that format at all, with apparently everyone as every significant having character in the story has some special heritage, including heritage/bloodline. To name a few: Lily, brilliant muggleborn witch, who's witch? She's related to Jean Grey (Harry's second cousin). Also, Hermione, other brilliant muggleborn witch? No, she's She's actually the daughter offspring of the Scarlet Witch, daughter Witch (daughter of Magneto and potential Sorceress Supreme, Supreme) and John Constantine. Same with What about [[spoiler:Carol Danvers - Danvers, courageous BadassNormal (pre-powers - though as of 2019, (prior to the character's 2019 backstory retcon in the comics she was always part Kree) comics, anyway) who succeeded succeeds through her wit and skill? Actually related to Captain America]].
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** The very core of the story about ‘Jaune forging his own destiny’ is this, as the actual events see [[spoiler:he’s constantly being involved in events due to the urging and machinations of other people (particularly Ozpin), and that his very ability to become a Hero was due to [[ContrivedCoincidence conveniently]] having a wish granted by Salem, [[PlotHole despite never actually meeting her]], as part of her intent to kill him by throwing Jaune into danger she believed he couldn’t survive]]. Thus despite the core theme or various [[WordOfGod statements by the author]], the story sees Jaune mostly being thrown into things by others with him just going along.
*** Gets especially egregious in the final arc where [[spoiler:both Jaune and Ruby are guilted and politically arm twisted to become King and Queen of Vale to discourage another war with Mistral, with their only act of self-determination being taking the positions but not being actually married]].
** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. Lastly, Ruby reveals the details of her Class not only with the support of Jaune and Yang, but also after [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the atrocious actions they performed when Jaune's true nature was revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
*** Gets especially egregious in the final arc where [[spoiler:both Jaune and Ruby are guilted and politically arm twisted to become King and Queen of Vale to discourage another war with Mistral, with their only act of self-determination being taking the positions but not being actually married]].
** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. Lastly, Ruby reveals the details of her Class not only with the support of Jaune and Yang, but also after [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the atrocious actions they performed when Jaune's true nature was revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
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** The very core of the story about ‘Jaune "Jaune forging his own destiny’ destiny" is this, as the actual events see [[spoiler:he’s constantly being involved in events due to the urging and machinations of other people (particularly Ozpin), and that his very ability to become a Hero was due to [[ContrivedCoincidence conveniently]] having a wish granted by Salem, [[PlotHole despite never actually meeting her]], as part of her intent to kill him by throwing Jaune into danger she believed he couldn’t survive]]. Thus despite the core theme or various [[WordOfGod statements by the author]], the story mostly sees Jaune mostly being thrown into things by others with him just going along.
*** Getsact more like a PinballProtagonist in spite of his attempts to take control of his life. This is especially egregious in the final arc arc, where [[spoiler:both Jaune and Ruby are guilted and politically arm twisted to become King and Queen of Vale to discourage another war with Mistral, with their only act of self-determination being taking the positions but not being actually married]].
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** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]].Lastly, Ruby reveals the details of her Class And most importantly, Ruby's reveal only goes so smoothly because she not only with had the immediately support of Jaune and Yang, but also after [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the atrocious actions mistakes they performed made when Jaune's true nature was reacting to ''Jaune'' having his secret revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
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** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]].
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* ''Fanfic/ARabbitAmongWolves'': InUniverse, Ironwood tries to give Jaune a "violence solves nothing" lecture only for Jaune to throw back how Ironwood just tried to use violence to apprehend him with absolutely no diplomacy or tact. [[MoralMyopia Ironwood insists he was trying to uphold the law to capture a terrorist]].
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* ''Fanfic/ARabbitAmongWolves'': InUniverse, Ironwood tries to give Jaune a "violence solves nothing" lecture only for Jaune to throw back how Ironwood literally just tried to use violence to apprehend him with absolutely no diplomacy or tact. [[MoralMyopia Ironwood insists he was trying to uphold the law to capture a terrorist]].
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** In ''Thousand Shinji'' Shinji suffered a lot because the Emperor wanted him developing empathy and learning that mortals suffer when gods are assholes. In this story, Shinji and the other gods have forgotten about it completely.
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** In ''Thousand Shinji'' Shinji'', Shinji suffered a lot because the Emperor wanted him developing empathy and learning that mortals suffer when gods are assholes. In this story, Shinji and the other gods have forgotten about it completely.
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** When Hiei screws Sasuke, Dally is more ticked about Hiei banging a man then she is that he slept with someone else in the first place.
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** When Hiei screws Sasuke, Dally is more ticked about Hiei banging a man then than she is that he slept with someone else in the first place.
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* ''[[Fanfic/PokemonHarmonyAndChaos Pokémon Equestrian Adventures]]:'' The chapter "The Summer of Adventure" has the usual message of "don't judge a book by it's cover". When Flash is paired with a Shuckle for the first activity, and is told how Shuckle is the worst Pokémon in the activity by Timber Spruce. Flash works hard to earn Shuckle's trust by bonding with it and show that there is more to him than just his Pokédex entry might say. However, this message is ruined since despite all their efforts, Flash and Shuckle still end up losing to Timber and Politoad, and Celestia punishes Flash for staying up all night training Shuckle without permission, which not only makes his efforts AllForNothing, but counterproductive and turns his friends against him for setting them back. So apparently the real moral to take from this is "don't bother trying to prove a jerk wrong because you will just fail and be punished for your efforts".
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* ''[[Fanfic/PokemonHarmonyAndChaos Pokémon Equestrian Adventures]]:'' The chapter "The Summer of Adventure" has the usual message of "don't judge a book by it's its cover". When Flash is paired with a Shuckle for the first activity, and is told how Shuckle is the worst Pokémon in the activity by Timber Spruce. Flash works hard to earn Shuckle's trust by bonding with it and show that there is more to him than just what his Pokédex entry might say. However, this message is ruined since since, despite all their efforts, Flash and Shuckle still end up losing to Timber and Politoad, Politoed, and Celestia punishes Flash for staying up all night training Shuckle without permission, which not only makes his efforts AllForNothing, but counterproductive and turns his friends against him for setting them back. So apparently the real moral to take from this is "don't bother trying to prove a jerk wrong because you will just fail and be punished for your efforts".
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* ''[[Fanfic/PokemonHarmonyAndChaos Pokémon Equestrian Adventures]]:'' The chapter "The Summer of Adventure" has the usual message of "don't judge a book by it's cover". When Flash is paired with a Shuckle for the first activity, and is told how Shuckle is the worst Pokémon in the activity by Timber Spruce. Flash works hard to earn Shuckle's trust by bonding with it and show that there is more to him than just his Pokédex entry might say. However, this message is ruined since despite all their efforts, Flash and Shuckle still end up losing to Timber and Politoad, and Celestia punishes Flash for staying up all night training Shuckle without permission, which not only makes his efforts AllForNothing, but counterproductive and turns his friends against him for setting them back. So apparently the real moral to take from this is "don't bother trying to prove a jerk wrong because you will just fail and be punished for your efforts".
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** Following from the above, it's never really made all that clear why Unity under the domination of a single leader à la Genghis Khan or Alexander The Great would be preferable or more viable than the humanistic ideals of TheFederation. The story itself notes that Alexander's empire fell apart after his death. Except, at the end of the day, no real reason is given as to why Unity would survive Sebastian. In effect, Unity was formed from the conquest of different races that have no motivation to work together, other than against a common enemy or out of veneration for a leader-figure who will eventually die. While ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and ''Franchise/StarWars'' may each be somewhat naive in their traditionally idealistic portrayal of people, the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset of the Unity Saga winds up feeling more out-of-touch than either of its inspirations.
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** Following from the above, it's never really made all that clear why Unity under the domination of a single leader à la Genghis Khan or Alexander The Great would be preferable or more viable than the humanistic ideals of TheFederation. The story itself notes that Alexander's empire fell apart after his death. Except, at the end of the day, no real reason is given as to why Unity would survive Sebastian. In effect, Unity was formed from the conquest of different races that have no motivation to work together, other than against a common enemy or out of veneration for a leader-figure who will eventually die. While ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and ''Franchise/StarWars'' may each be somewhat naive in their traditionally idealistic portrayal of people, the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset of the Unity Saga winds up feeling more out-of-touch than either of its inspirations.inspirations.
* ''Fanfic/YearZero2016'': The "Wake up and give a shit" message (in other words, stop slacking and get involved in the revolution) is compromised when a reality-warping EldritchAbomination has the final word on humanity's fate, not helped that all the effort the resistance put into fighting off the Smith administration, including [[spoiler:assassinating Smith himself]], is shown to have little impact on the world at large.
* ''Fanfic/YearZero2016'': The "Wake up and give a shit" message (in other words, stop slacking and get involved in the revolution) is compromised when a reality-warping EldritchAbomination has the final word on humanity's fate, not helped that all the effort the resistance put into fighting off the Smith administration, including [[spoiler:assassinating Smith himself]], is shown to have little impact on the world at large.
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* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' emphasizes with the Angels that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are bad. [[AndThatsTerrible Really, really bad.]] However, compared with the Demons, they were portrayed as the more honorable and nicer faction overall. The rewrite fixes this somewhat by making the Angels [[BlackAndGrayMorality far more morally gray than the original]], even with some of more sympathetic Angel characters like Jesus. It also makes the Demons more gray too, to emphasize the fact that both sides are flawed and similar.
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* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' emphasizes with the Angels that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are bad. [[AndThatsTerrible Really, really bad.]] However, compared with the Demons, they were portrayed as the more honorable and nicer faction overall. The rewrite fixes this somewhat by making the Angels [[BlackAndGrayMorality far more morally gray than the original]], even with some of more sympathetic Angel characters like Jesus. It also makes the Demons more gray too, to emphasize the fact that both sides are flawed and similar.similar.
* ''Fanfic/ThreadbareSouthPark'': PlayedForLaughs in ''Elephant Balls''. At the end of the story, Kyle says they should never lie, when Charlie points out that although they lied about Mr. Garrison having cancer, they were still able to raise money for his scrotum elephantitis surgery (of course, they had to lie because everyone they talked to thought scrotum elephantitis was a juvenile joke they made up).
* ''Fanfic/TheUnitySaga'': The two trilogies each end in ways that come off as mutually-exclusive in what they're saying.
** [[spoiler:At the end of ''The Road to Unity'', which has devoted time to examining the cost of being a hero, Luke and Seven's retirement to raise a family is depicted in a positive light, despite the bittersweetness of how many lives were lost in the conflict. This is all rather spoiled, however, in that with the rebirth of the Galactic Empire and Luke's return to Tatooine, everything said heroes fought for has been rendered null and void]].
** [[spoiler:And then ''The Price of Unity'' has the opposite conclusion, that Sebastian Skywalker really is the one person who can unity the Galaxies and shall have to devote his whole life to it. While the trilogy does stick to its predecessor's ethos that heroes are flawed, fallible people beneath their reputation, it's hard not to feel it'd have been kinder of his parents to continue the damn fight instead of foisting this inhuman responsibility upon him]].
** Following from the above, it's never really made all that clear why Unity under the domination of a single leader à la Genghis Khan or Alexander The Great would be preferable or more viable than the humanistic ideals of TheFederation. The story itself notes that Alexander's empire fell apart after his death. Except, at the end of the day, no real reason is given as to why Unity would survive Sebastian. In effect, Unity was formed from the conquest of different races that have no motivation to work together, other than against a common enemy or out of veneration for a leader-figure who will eventually die. While ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and ''Franchise/StarWars'' may each be somewhat naive in their traditionally idealistic portrayal of people, the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset of the Unity Saga winds up feeling more out-of-touch than either of its inspirations.
* ''Fanfic/ThreadbareSouthPark'': PlayedForLaughs in ''Elephant Balls''. At the end of the story, Kyle says they should never lie, when Charlie points out that although they lied about Mr. Garrison having cancer, they were still able to raise money for his scrotum elephantitis surgery (of course, they had to lie because everyone they talked to thought scrotum elephantitis was a juvenile joke they made up).
* ''Fanfic/TheUnitySaga'': The two trilogies each end in ways that come off as mutually-exclusive in what they're saying.
** [[spoiler:At the end of ''The Road to Unity'', which has devoted time to examining the cost of being a hero, Luke and Seven's retirement to raise a family is depicted in a positive light, despite the bittersweetness of how many lives were lost in the conflict. This is all rather spoiled, however, in that with the rebirth of the Galactic Empire and Luke's return to Tatooine, everything said heroes fought for has been rendered null and void]].
** [[spoiler:And then ''The Price of Unity'' has the opposite conclusion, that Sebastian Skywalker really is the one person who can unity the Galaxies and shall have to devote his whole life to it. While the trilogy does stick to its predecessor's ethos that heroes are flawed, fallible people beneath their reputation, it's hard not to feel it'd have been kinder of his parents to continue the damn fight instead of foisting this inhuman responsibility upon him]].
** Following from the above, it's never really made all that clear why Unity under the domination of a single leader à la Genghis Khan or Alexander The Great would be preferable or more viable than the humanistic ideals of TheFederation. The story itself notes that Alexander's empire fell apart after his death. Except, at the end of the day, no real reason is given as to why Unity would survive Sebastian. In effect, Unity was formed from the conquest of different races that have no motivation to work together, other than against a common enemy or out of veneration for a leader-figure who will eventually die. While ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and ''Franchise/StarWars'' may each be somewhat naive in their traditionally idealistic portrayal of people, the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset of the Unity Saga winds up feeling more out-of-touch than either of its inspirations.
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* ''Fanfic/OneHundredPercentHero'': Discussed InUniverse. While talking with Toshinori about [[spoiler:how Stain was motivated to inspire change in hero society but failed to do so]], Shigeo questions if his philosophies about [[AGodIAmNot not thinking highly of quirks]] are able to get through to his peers because he's already considered [[InvincibleHero the fairest of them all]]. His adopted father somberly remarks that [[HardTruthAesop those with great power have a higher chance of having their beliefs known and accepted to the world compared to those with little to no power]].
* The anti-sexist message of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fanfic ''Fanfic/BecomingFemale'' would be a lot more effective if the characters didn't go around slut-shaming each other willy-nilly.
* ''Fanfic/BlueMoonNursery'':
** The author persuades its readers that the torture of smurfs, baby smurfs especially, is a repugnant act... only to then proceed to describe the horrors they went through in great detail, with pictures of said tortures accompanying them. It sends a ''very'' mixed message, to say the least.
** Even after events such as Tattlerette making a speech about how smurfs should not be trafficked and the scenes that serve evidence that smurfs are not fit to be raised by humans, neither the narrator nor the nursery staff consider that the baby smurfs should be given to a village where they can be with other smurfs. While a Smurf rights group warns the possibility of liberating the babies from the nursery after Strawberry and Pom-Pom are rescued, it's meant to be seen as a bad thing that "the precious babies could be taken away".
* ''Fanfic/CalvinAndHobbesTheSeries'': "RIP Calvin", according to WordOfGod, was supposed to teach that [[spoiler:"[[WeAllDieSomeday no one is immortal.]]"]] However, [[spoiler:the cast in said episode [[DisneyDeath are revived via time travel]]]].
* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'':
** From the start, it says that Pure-blood extremists and HYDRA are wrong and that heritage doesn't matter and anyone can be great if they try. But the story does not follow that format at all, with apparently everyone significant having special heritage, including Lily, brilliant muggleborn witch, who's related to Jean Grey (Harry's second cousin). Also, Hermione, other brilliant muggleborn witch? No, she's actually the daughter of the Scarlet Witch, daughter of Magneto and potential Sorceress Supreme, and John Constantine. Same with [[spoiler:Carol Danvers - courageous BadassNormal (pre-powers - though as of 2019, in the comics she was always part Kree) who succeeded through wit and skill? Actually related to Captain America]].
** Then there's the explanation that most Kryptonians have only the Golden Age power-set under a yellow sun, and only a 'Child of the Thirteen' (Krypton's ruling oligarchy) has the full set. However, this is regarded as suspicious InUniverse - [[LampshadeHanging why only those thirteen families?]] It's eventually explained in chapter 59 of the sequel as being a complete accident: [[spoiler:''all'' Kryptonians had/have that potential, but it was artificially limited for whatever reason. The only reason the Thirteen unlocked it was because their ancestors made diplomatic marriages with those few non-Kryptonian species they felt were worthy allies and could breed true with, and the hybrids replaced the genes that limited their potential]]. Exactly ''why'' this was done in the first place is unclear.
** It is also made clear that all those power-sets/inheritances were engineered by the series' MagnificentBastard in chief, Doctor Strange, as part of his plan to stop Thanos. He explains that it isn't so much power that counts, but personality, how the possessor ''chooses'' to use it. He explicitly says that he could have given ''anyone'' powers and all, but it takes a special person to be TheHero, and like Dr Erskine with Steve, he picked Harry because he was a hero ''in spite'' of all he had/could do, not because of it.
* In the ''Fanfic/CowardTrilogy'', both the anti-hacking Aesop of convention and the anti-anti-hacking Aesop of the first story, ''Coward'', are intentionally broken, both in and out of story, although [[WordOfGod the author says]] that the general attitude of the story is anti-anti-hacking, just like ''Coward''.
* ''Fanfic/EigaSentaiScanranger'':
** The episode after Carmen joins is supposed to be about her learning the value of teamwork. Not only does she do almost everything herself (everybody but Takeshi has been captured and as usual he’s barely around himself), what help she does get is confusing and pointless (why are they pretending Carmen's betraying the team...to save the team?), and the main group has their SixthRanger and a HumongousMecha that’s already there sit out the giant battle. Not to mention Vin [[YouJustHadToSayIt just had to say they]] could’ve gotten out of their predicament without Carmen’s help.
** Also the episode "And Voodoo to You Too" has Nick decrying the American import of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' and how the dialogue was rewritten so heavily to downplay all the death and destruction. B.C. counters that otherwise it would be too intense for kids, and the older fans have the original uncensored stuff they can still enjoy [[note]] Which begs the question of just who the author thinks the original version was meant for. [[/note]]. A couple episodes later we have the ClipShow, which is where the series makes its most blatant attacks on ''Power Rangers'' with B.C. singlehandedly defeating a group of PR-original villains. He makes fun of other aspects of the show, like how they [[NeverSayDie always have to say "destroy" instead of "kill"]], and how in ''Series/PowerRangersDinoThunder'' the villain was changed from a little girl who's the vessel of an EldritchAbomination. Does he think censoring violent kids shows is a good thing or not?
* ''Fanfic/FaceTheStrange'' tries to push that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, but aside from Jack Skellington, all of the characters who aren't straight are portrayed as villains, including the only actually canonically gay character in the fic: Dumbledore.
** Right after Professor Skellington tells the group it's okay to be gay, we get this bit:
--->Draco is straight and it’s Adam and '''[[LogicalFallacies Steve]]''' not Adam and '''[[LogicalFallacies Steve.]]'''
** When Hiei screws Sasuke, Dally is more ticked about Hiei banging a man then she is that he slept with someone else in the first place.
** Sasuke is another one of the "good" gays, but even then, [[AllGaysArePromiscuous he is a walking stereotype]].
** Another supposed [[AnAesop Aesop]] is that screwing multiple guys, especially one that isn't your true love that you're married to, is wrong, as demonstrated with Bella. However, Dally has no problem doing it with Hiei the first day she meets him and is constantly going back and forth between various men.
---> "Hi-hi-hi-hiei and I are th-th-thorough!" she sobbed, "It t-t-t-urms out hes a f-f-f-faggot just like D-d-d-dumbledooooreeee!!"
* ''Fanfic/FantasiaTimes'' has three major themes running through it that get brought up repeatedly; all of them are subjected to this.
** "Don't judge others based on who they are at first glance." A decent message, except the protagonists constantly belittle both Purebloods and Royals for nothing more than being...well, Purebloods and Royals. Main character Andi also engages in FantasticRacism against some ''other'' species (anthro tigers and vampires) that was caused by a single member of each species, and she refuses to see other members of those species as anything but the same as her tormentors.
** Another Aesop constantly espoused by Andi is that bullying is wrong and should be prevented at every opportunity...except she herself is guilty of constantly bullying the Royals as well as anyone else who so much as disagrees with her.
** Andi also believes wholeheartedly in rejecting destiny and following one's own path, and often berates those who think otherwise. This is heavily contradicted by two things: 1) the RedStringOfFate is alive and well in this series, as several characters are fated to be together; and 2) a major story arc involves her preparing her friends for ''their'' destinies, and they apparently have no way out of this. "The Sword of Ghostinya!" is a good example of how bad this gets; Danny repeatedly says he doesn't want to rule a kingdom, but is given no say in the matter when he's chosen as the next ruler of the titular kingdom.
* ''Fanfic/ForgedDestiny'':
** The very core of the story about ‘Jaune forging his own destiny’ is this, as the actual events see [[spoiler:he’s constantly being involved in events due to the urging and machinations of other people (particularly Ozpin), and that his very ability to become a Hero was due to [[ContrivedCoincidence conveniently]] having a wish granted by Salem, [[PlotHole despite never actually meeting her]], as part of her intent to kill him by throwing Jaune into danger she believed he couldn’t survive]]. Thus despite the core theme or various [[WordOfGod statements by the author]], the story sees Jaune mostly being thrown into things by others with him just going along.
*** Gets especially egregious in the final arc where [[spoiler:both Jaune and Ruby are guilted and politically arm twisted to become King and Queen of Vale to discourage another war with Mistral, with their only act of self-determination being taking the positions but not being actually married]].
** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. Lastly, Ruby reveals the details of her Class not only with the support of Jaune and Yang, but also after [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the atrocious actions they performed when Jaune's true nature was revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
** Another one comes at Salem and Jaune's confrontation in Book 8. After [[spoiler:Raven wishes to bring Salem down from an EldritchAbomination and into an immensely powerful but now kill-able RPG being]], Salem gives a rather long-winded diatribe about the inherent pettiness of humanity and how despite constantly summoning her to grant their desires, no one who makes a wish either expects to sacrifice anything nor shows any gratitude for having their dreams come true; effectively trying to give TheReasonYouSuck speech. This is a pretty nonsensical argument when one remembers that the entire story showcases how to get Salem to appear, one has to commit horrific acts deserving of death (with the few exceptions being ones the author pointedly never elaborates how they came about), and that Salem usually goes about making the wish in a way that harms more people than just the wish maker. Worse is the fact WordOfGod has constantly explained that Salem MUST grant a wish, and it MUST be in a way that results in death, thus removing any agency in Salem's actions, and indeed making her inner-character entirely irrelevant. Thus she's not only undeserving of any gratitude, one can say Salem is less of the BigBad that the characters fight, than the author's system of how her wish granting plays out as being the true evil in the story.
* The author of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come off as typical tyranny while she never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile, Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense and the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luna's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
* ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'' is principally about how great "rationality" is and how it makes you a better person. But far more often, Harry's successes are found less through intelligent and logical reasoning or research, and more through pure emotional appeals, the narrative bending the rules of magic in his favor, or blind luck.
* One of the messages the author of ''Fanfic/HogwartsSchoolOfPrayerAndMiracles'' desperately tries to hammer in during the author's notes is that sorcery and witchcraft are bad, and that's why she's rewriting the story. That said, the prayers that make food appear and perform actions around the school are much more akin to magic rather than religious faith, and God is treated as a magic wand who conjures whatever they need by just praying for it. People who dislike the moral will point out how they're just using sorcery with a religious coat of paint over it, and those who like the moral will be able to testify that praying does not magically fill a table with cooked bacon.
* ''Fanfic/TheJoysAndSorrowsOfYoungCharlesFinster'': Subverted with "Germ Warfare." After Stu gets Chas out of his TerrifiedOfGerms phase and convinces him there’s nothing wrong with playing in the mud, Chas, Stu, Melinda, and Betty all end up being made to take baths by their respective parents.
* ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'': Potentially.
** The story revolves around the concept that evil wins when good people do nothing -- Lila did incredible damage thanks to Adrien's refusal to act against her. However, part of Marinette's KarmicJackpot stems from her opting to cut ties with him and the rest of her ungrateful classmates, which includes no longer going out of her way to oppose Lila. While probably good for her mental health, this could also be interpreted as "Oppose evil, but not when evil heaps consequences upon the complicit."
** The class losing their dreams and valuables to Lila is framed as LaserGuidedKarma for how they [[AllTakeAndNoGive constantly took advantage of Marinette]], sending the message that taking people for granted and exploiting them doesn't pay in the long run. However, the fact that they have no hope of gaining restitution, even for work they did honestly before Lila stole it from them (not to mention Adrien [[spoiler:losing the Agreste emergency fund solely due to terribly poor judgement on his part]]), could be interpreted as saying that people who are victimized by scammers and con artists ''deserve'' to be taken advantage of for being stupid/greedy enough to fall for their lies.
* The ''Toys/EverAfterHigh''/''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' crossover fic ''Fanfic/KnightsOfTheOtherworld'' supposedly supports the first show's general message of "girls, you don't have to wait around for Prince Charming, you can take control of your own destiny." Unfortunately, it does this while making the fic about a bunch of (mostly male) superheroes who are the only ones who can do anything about monsters invading the kingdom. So the fic encourages the subjects of the fairytale kingdom to be free to choose their own futures, while making them completely dependent on the author's much more powerful characters. This makes the story into exactly the kind of standard plot about male heroes and damsels in distress that ''Ever After High'' was subverting. The attempted reboot has gotten even worse about this, making the people of the fairytale kingdom unable to understand the danger the invading monsters pose to them, [[MightyWhitey requiring teens from Earth to come and look after them]].
* ''Fanfic/MetallixLiloAndStitch'':
** ''ʻOhana'' means family, and family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten, but Lilo did leave several experiments behind. WordOfGod stated this did piss off Dr. Koopa and Metallix, until Angel's capture turned out to be the last straw for Metallix.
** In "Frenchfry", the Aesop is that it's important to eat healthy, but Dr. Koopa keeps babbling on how Nani can't prevent him from eating burgers, which he justifies by reminding everyone of his princiary status. Furthermore, he also states "''All'' food is healthier when homemade", which is contradicted by Frenchfry, who makes homemade food, but it's extremely unhealthy.
* ''Fanfic/TheOpenDoor'':
** In ''Thousand Shinji'' Shinji suffered a lot because the Emperor wanted him developing empathy and learning that mortals suffer when gods are assholes. In this story, Shinji and the other gods have forgotten about it completely.
** The Chaos Gods don't move their followers to other universes because they don't want their people to go down the same road that Old Chaos did and make their same mistakes, and they want to be around to watch their followers' evolution... still New Chaos makes the same mistakes and is going down that same road!
* Discussed in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic ''[[FanFic/PonyPermutationProject Twilight Switch]]''. After witnessing Applejack losing a large harvest of apples, Twilight feels guilty about not being able to help and tries to figure out a spell to fix it. Applejack eventually explains that she'd lost the apples due to her own hard-headedness; if Twilight just magicked up a solution, it'd be like a "get out of stubbornness free" card and she wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of her actions, effectively ruining a hard-learned lesson.
* ''Fanfic/ThePrayerWarriors'' keeps emphasizing that women are weak [[StayInTheKitchen and should be subservient to men]]. However, in ''[[Franchise/HarryPotter Battle with the Witches]]'', it's Ebony who does most of the work in gathering the keys to bring down Dumbledore; in ''Threat of Satanic Commonism'', it's Mary who kills "[[Music/TheBeatles John Lennon]]"; and in ''[[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians Evil Gods Part Two]]'', it's Ebony (again) who can capture {{Creator/Socrates}}. These examples, as well as several other cases of female Prayer Warriors fighting multiple enemies at once, makes one have to wonder just how weak and useless the women are.
* ''Fanfic/ARabbitAmongWolves'': InUniverse, Ironwood tries to give Jaune a "violence solves nothing" lecture only for Jaune to throw back how Ironwood just tried to use violence to apprehend him with absolutely no diplomacy or tact. [[MoralMyopia Ironwood insists he was trying to uphold the law to capture a terrorist]].
* ''Fanfic/ReflectionsLostOnADarkRoad'':
** [[GenkiGirl Anime Starfire]] [[OutOfCharacter somehow rationalises]] restraint against non-superpowered opponents as a version of supremacism, and not in the "You should show restraint against the aliens as well" direction, but rather the other one. [[note]]Possibly a very loose, some generations-removed, memetic leftover from the popular online or GTA style: "If you are willing to accept the unavoidable realities of eating animals, you have to be willing to murder, eat, and put anybody in a genocide camp, or you're a hypocrite, as benevolence has to include all or nothing, and as all is impossible per definition, you should all become casual spree-killers, or you are all horrible people" rationale.[[/note]] This despite that her teammates would have preferred to use non-lethal force against the alien war-breeds as well, but they were conceptually designed to be impossible to use it against, and near impossible to even keep alive in confinement to boot. However, she also makes a valid point about that the term "[[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inhuman inhuman]]" is contradictory, as there will always be some human perfectly willing to commit any level of atrocity.
** The psychologist that Starfire spoke to stated that UNETCO members who started to not find the act of murder unpleasant and actually greatly enjoyed it were sensibly weeded out of the organization, yet Shampoo is also portrayed as being extremely sexually stimulated from playing sadistic hunt-games with completely outmatched prey (including previously doing so for sport and training at the age of 13, against non-superhuman opponents), and then enthusiastically slaughter them in as brutal manner as possible, and she is still there without anybody batting an eyelash.
** Taking Ryoga's [[MoralMyopia advice]], everyone gave Jinx leeway for her jerkass behavior. However, this only gave her a chance to take it up to eleven.
* The ''Manga/ElfenLied'' fanfic ''FanFic/RoboBando'' goes on and on about how pedophiles are complete scum and need to die, yet one of the later main 'heroes' is the Pedobear.
* ''Fanfic/ShiningPrettyCure'': After a session at the library, Youko learns the value of studying... but the Cures only knew how to effectively defeat the MonsterOfTheWeek because of her and Hibiki's habit of spending their time at the arcade instead. This is lampshaded, of course.
* ''Fanfic/ShowaAndVampire'':
** The story tries for an anti-suicide message during the ANTI-THESIS arc. But the reason for it is...Shinichi's a powerful cyborg constantly hounded by evil cyborgs who want to reprogram him into an unstoppable killer and he was about to be defeated and captured by one of them. Never mind how, in that case, there are some defensible reasons to go through with it. Even if Shinichi did die, two of his closest friends are Rias from ''Literature/HighSchoolDXD'' and Hime from ''Manga/PrincessResurrection'' (supernatural women who use their powers to bring the male main character back from the dead as one of the first things in their respective stories).
** The story tries to incorporate the theme of "monsters and people aren't so different" as an allegory for the barriers people make between themselves that ''Rosario + Vampire'' had. It mangles this '''horribly''', however. Most of the story's villains are cyborgs sent from the same evil organization that gave a lot of the heroes their powers, but the heroes always kill them without a second thought. Whenever they actually do talk somebody from it into turning over a new leaf, it's always either a girl who falls in love with the guy who talked her into leaving, or else it's someone who was already friends with one of the heroes from when they were both evil. Turning the message into "the only people worth saving are beautiful girls who'll become your LoveInterest, or people you're already friends with." [[note]]Back when the fic was being posted, there were Kamen Rider shows where the villains were defeated non-lethally, like ''[[Series/KamenRiderDouble Double]]'' and ''[[Series/KamenRiderFourze Fourze]]''. These had the villains' powers being destroyed, but the person being left unharmed.[[/note]]
* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' emphasizes with the Angels that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are bad. [[AndThatsTerrible Really, really bad.]] However, compared with the Demons, they were portrayed as the more honorable and nicer faction overall. The rewrite fixes this somewhat by making the Angels [[BlackAndGrayMorality far more morally gray than the original]], even with some of more sympathetic Angel characters like Jesus. It also makes the Demons more gray too, to emphasize the fact that both sides are flawed and similar.
* The anti-sexist message of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fanfic ''Fanfic/BecomingFemale'' would be a lot more effective if the characters didn't go around slut-shaming each other willy-nilly.
* ''Fanfic/BlueMoonNursery'':
** The author persuades its readers that the torture of smurfs, baby smurfs especially, is a repugnant act... only to then proceed to describe the horrors they went through in great detail, with pictures of said tortures accompanying them. It sends a ''very'' mixed message, to say the least.
** Even after events such as Tattlerette making a speech about how smurfs should not be trafficked and the scenes that serve evidence that smurfs are not fit to be raised by humans, neither the narrator nor the nursery staff consider that the baby smurfs should be given to a village where they can be with other smurfs. While a Smurf rights group warns the possibility of liberating the babies from the nursery after Strawberry and Pom-Pom are rescued, it's meant to be seen as a bad thing that "the precious babies could be taken away".
* ''Fanfic/CalvinAndHobbesTheSeries'': "RIP Calvin", according to WordOfGod, was supposed to teach that [[spoiler:"[[WeAllDieSomeday no one is immortal.]]"]] However, [[spoiler:the cast in said episode [[DisneyDeath are revived via time travel]]]].
* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'':
** From the start, it says that Pure-blood extremists and HYDRA are wrong and that heritage doesn't matter and anyone can be great if they try. But the story does not follow that format at all, with apparently everyone significant having special heritage, including Lily, brilliant muggleborn witch, who's related to Jean Grey (Harry's second cousin). Also, Hermione, other brilliant muggleborn witch? No, she's actually the daughter of the Scarlet Witch, daughter of Magneto and potential Sorceress Supreme, and John Constantine. Same with [[spoiler:Carol Danvers - courageous BadassNormal (pre-powers - though as of 2019, in the comics she was always part Kree) who succeeded through wit and skill? Actually related to Captain America]].
** Then there's the explanation that most Kryptonians have only the Golden Age power-set under a yellow sun, and only a 'Child of the Thirteen' (Krypton's ruling oligarchy) has the full set. However, this is regarded as suspicious InUniverse - [[LampshadeHanging why only those thirteen families?]] It's eventually explained in chapter 59 of the sequel as being a complete accident: [[spoiler:''all'' Kryptonians had/have that potential, but it was artificially limited for whatever reason. The only reason the Thirteen unlocked it was because their ancestors made diplomatic marriages with those few non-Kryptonian species they felt were worthy allies and could breed true with, and the hybrids replaced the genes that limited their potential]]. Exactly ''why'' this was done in the first place is unclear.
** It is also made clear that all those power-sets/inheritances were engineered by the series' MagnificentBastard in chief, Doctor Strange, as part of his plan to stop Thanos. He explains that it isn't so much power that counts, but personality, how the possessor ''chooses'' to use it. He explicitly says that he could have given ''anyone'' powers and all, but it takes a special person to be TheHero, and like Dr Erskine with Steve, he picked Harry because he was a hero ''in spite'' of all he had/could do, not because of it.
* In the ''Fanfic/CowardTrilogy'', both the anti-hacking Aesop of convention and the anti-anti-hacking Aesop of the first story, ''Coward'', are intentionally broken, both in and out of story, although [[WordOfGod the author says]] that the general attitude of the story is anti-anti-hacking, just like ''Coward''.
* ''Fanfic/EigaSentaiScanranger'':
** The episode after Carmen joins is supposed to be about her learning the value of teamwork. Not only does she do almost everything herself (everybody but Takeshi has been captured and as usual he’s barely around himself), what help she does get is confusing and pointless (why are they pretending Carmen's betraying the team...to save the team?), and the main group has their SixthRanger and a HumongousMecha that’s already there sit out the giant battle. Not to mention Vin [[YouJustHadToSayIt just had to say they]] could’ve gotten out of their predicament without Carmen’s help.
** Also the episode "And Voodoo to You Too" has Nick decrying the American import of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' and how the dialogue was rewritten so heavily to downplay all the death and destruction. B.C. counters that otherwise it would be too intense for kids, and the older fans have the original uncensored stuff they can still enjoy [[note]] Which begs the question of just who the author thinks the original version was meant for. [[/note]]. A couple episodes later we have the ClipShow, which is where the series makes its most blatant attacks on ''Power Rangers'' with B.C. singlehandedly defeating a group of PR-original villains. He makes fun of other aspects of the show, like how they [[NeverSayDie always have to say "destroy" instead of "kill"]], and how in ''Series/PowerRangersDinoThunder'' the villain was changed from a little girl who's the vessel of an EldritchAbomination. Does he think censoring violent kids shows is a good thing or not?
* ''Fanfic/FaceTheStrange'' tries to push that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, but aside from Jack Skellington, all of the characters who aren't straight are portrayed as villains, including the only actually canonically gay character in the fic: Dumbledore.
** Right after Professor Skellington tells the group it's okay to be gay, we get this bit:
--->Draco is straight and it’s Adam and '''[[LogicalFallacies Steve]]''' not Adam and '''[[LogicalFallacies Steve.]]'''
** When Hiei screws Sasuke, Dally is more ticked about Hiei banging a man then she is that he slept with someone else in the first place.
** Sasuke is another one of the "good" gays, but even then, [[AllGaysArePromiscuous he is a walking stereotype]].
** Another supposed [[AnAesop Aesop]] is that screwing multiple guys, especially one that isn't your true love that you're married to, is wrong, as demonstrated with Bella. However, Dally has no problem doing it with Hiei the first day she meets him and is constantly going back and forth between various men.
---> "Hi-hi-hi-hiei and I are th-th-thorough!" she sobbed, "It t-t-t-urms out hes a f-f-f-faggot just like D-d-d-dumbledooooreeee!!"
* ''Fanfic/FantasiaTimes'' has three major themes running through it that get brought up repeatedly; all of them are subjected to this.
** "Don't judge others based on who they are at first glance." A decent message, except the protagonists constantly belittle both Purebloods and Royals for nothing more than being...well, Purebloods and Royals. Main character Andi also engages in FantasticRacism against some ''other'' species (anthro tigers and vampires) that was caused by a single member of each species, and she refuses to see other members of those species as anything but the same as her tormentors.
** Another Aesop constantly espoused by Andi is that bullying is wrong and should be prevented at every opportunity...except she herself is guilty of constantly bullying the Royals as well as anyone else who so much as disagrees with her.
** Andi also believes wholeheartedly in rejecting destiny and following one's own path, and often berates those who think otherwise. This is heavily contradicted by two things: 1) the RedStringOfFate is alive and well in this series, as several characters are fated to be together; and 2) a major story arc involves her preparing her friends for ''their'' destinies, and they apparently have no way out of this. "The Sword of Ghostinya!" is a good example of how bad this gets; Danny repeatedly says he doesn't want to rule a kingdom, but is given no say in the matter when he's chosen as the next ruler of the titular kingdom.
* ''Fanfic/ForgedDestiny'':
** The very core of the story about ‘Jaune forging his own destiny’ is this, as the actual events see [[spoiler:he’s constantly being involved in events due to the urging and machinations of other people (particularly Ozpin), and that his very ability to become a Hero was due to [[ContrivedCoincidence conveniently]] having a wish granted by Salem, [[PlotHole despite never actually meeting her]], as part of her intent to kill him by throwing Jaune into danger she believed he couldn’t survive]]. Thus despite the core theme or various [[WordOfGod statements by the author]], the story sees Jaune mostly being thrown into things by others with him just going along.
*** Gets especially egregious in the final arc where [[spoiler:both Jaune and Ruby are guilted and politically arm twisted to become King and Queen of Vale to discourage another war with Mistral, with their only act of self-determination being taking the positions but not being actually married]].
** When Ruby finally reveals the details of her Class to the rest of the guild and is then easily accepted by them, Jaune ruminates that [[spoiler:the rest of the guild might have been just as accepting of him had he not "chose not to take the plunge Ruby had" and instead [[ThePowerOfFriendship trusted his friends with his secret]]]]. The problems with this assessment are numerous. For one, Ruby was only revealing the details of her Class because the situation necessitated that she do so to effectively face [[spoiler:Raven]] and would have preferred never explaining them to the rest of the Hunters at all. Secondly, Jaune's secret was of entirely greater severity than Ruby's as the revelation of his true Class could have led to his permanent incarceration or execution while Ruby's [[spoiler:had been sanctioned by the King himself]]. Additionally, Pyrrha even admitted that had [[spoiler:Jaune revealed the truth of his Class at any point before the quest to Mistral, then she would have turned him over to the authorities, and that she would have still distrusted him had he done so at a later time]]. Lastly, Ruby reveals the details of her Class not only with the support of Jaune and Yang, but also after [[spoiler:the rest of the Hunters have already had time to learn from the atrocious actions they performed when Jaune's true nature was revealed]]. And this doesn't even address the issue that being a Reaper [[spoiler:is a new and unknown Class, and thus the whole point is to see whether or not it's appropriate for the Hero Caste, negating many of the similarities to Jaune's situation, which has a more obvious niche in society]].
** Another one comes at Salem and Jaune's confrontation in Book 8. After [[spoiler:Raven wishes to bring Salem down from an EldritchAbomination and into an immensely powerful but now kill-able RPG being]], Salem gives a rather long-winded diatribe about the inherent pettiness of humanity and how despite constantly summoning her to grant their desires, no one who makes a wish either expects to sacrifice anything nor shows any gratitude for having their dreams come true; effectively trying to give TheReasonYouSuck speech. This is a pretty nonsensical argument when one remembers that the entire story showcases how to get Salem to appear, one has to commit horrific acts deserving of death (with the few exceptions being ones the author pointedly never elaborates how they came about), and that Salem usually goes about making the wish in a way that harms more people than just the wish maker. Worse is the fact WordOfGod has constantly explained that Salem MUST grant a wish, and it MUST be in a way that results in death, thus removing any agency in Salem's actions, and indeed making her inner-character entirely irrelevant. Thus she's not only undeserving of any gratitude, one can say Salem is less of the BigBad that the characters fight, than the author's system of how her wish granting plays out as being the true evil in the story.
* The author of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come off as typical tyranny while she never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile, Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense and the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luna's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
* ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'' is principally about how great "rationality" is and how it makes you a better person. But far more often, Harry's successes are found less through intelligent and logical reasoning or research, and more through pure emotional appeals, the narrative bending the rules of magic in his favor, or blind luck.
* One of the messages the author of ''Fanfic/HogwartsSchoolOfPrayerAndMiracles'' desperately tries to hammer in during the author's notes is that sorcery and witchcraft are bad, and that's why she's rewriting the story. That said, the prayers that make food appear and perform actions around the school are much more akin to magic rather than religious faith, and God is treated as a magic wand who conjures whatever they need by just praying for it. People who dislike the moral will point out how they're just using sorcery with a religious coat of paint over it, and those who like the moral will be able to testify that praying does not magically fill a table with cooked bacon.
* ''Fanfic/TheJoysAndSorrowsOfYoungCharlesFinster'': Subverted with "Germ Warfare." After Stu gets Chas out of his TerrifiedOfGerms phase and convinces him there’s nothing wrong with playing in the mud, Chas, Stu, Melinda, and Betty all end up being made to take baths by their respective parents.
* ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'': Potentially.
** The story revolves around the concept that evil wins when good people do nothing -- Lila did incredible damage thanks to Adrien's refusal to act against her. However, part of Marinette's KarmicJackpot stems from her opting to cut ties with him and the rest of her ungrateful classmates, which includes no longer going out of her way to oppose Lila. While probably good for her mental health, this could also be interpreted as "Oppose evil, but not when evil heaps consequences upon the complicit."
** The class losing their dreams and valuables to Lila is framed as LaserGuidedKarma for how they [[AllTakeAndNoGive constantly took advantage of Marinette]], sending the message that taking people for granted and exploiting them doesn't pay in the long run. However, the fact that they have no hope of gaining restitution, even for work they did honestly before Lila stole it from them (not to mention Adrien [[spoiler:losing the Agreste emergency fund solely due to terribly poor judgement on his part]]), could be interpreted as saying that people who are victimized by scammers and con artists ''deserve'' to be taken advantage of for being stupid/greedy enough to fall for their lies.
* The ''Toys/EverAfterHigh''/''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' crossover fic ''Fanfic/KnightsOfTheOtherworld'' supposedly supports the first show's general message of "girls, you don't have to wait around for Prince Charming, you can take control of your own destiny." Unfortunately, it does this while making the fic about a bunch of (mostly male) superheroes who are the only ones who can do anything about monsters invading the kingdom. So the fic encourages the subjects of the fairytale kingdom to be free to choose their own futures, while making them completely dependent on the author's much more powerful characters. This makes the story into exactly the kind of standard plot about male heroes and damsels in distress that ''Ever After High'' was subverting. The attempted reboot has gotten even worse about this, making the people of the fairytale kingdom unable to understand the danger the invading monsters pose to them, [[MightyWhitey requiring teens from Earth to come and look after them]].
* ''Fanfic/MetallixLiloAndStitch'':
** ''ʻOhana'' means family, and family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten, but Lilo did leave several experiments behind. WordOfGod stated this did piss off Dr. Koopa and Metallix, until Angel's capture turned out to be the last straw for Metallix.
** In "Frenchfry", the Aesop is that it's important to eat healthy, but Dr. Koopa keeps babbling on how Nani can't prevent him from eating burgers, which he justifies by reminding everyone of his princiary status. Furthermore, he also states "''All'' food is healthier when homemade", which is contradicted by Frenchfry, who makes homemade food, but it's extremely unhealthy.
* ''Fanfic/TheOpenDoor'':
** In ''Thousand Shinji'' Shinji suffered a lot because the Emperor wanted him developing empathy and learning that mortals suffer when gods are assholes. In this story, Shinji and the other gods have forgotten about it completely.
** The Chaos Gods don't move their followers to other universes because they don't want their people to go down the same road that Old Chaos did and make their same mistakes, and they want to be around to watch their followers' evolution... still New Chaos makes the same mistakes and is going down that same road!
* Discussed in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic ''[[FanFic/PonyPermutationProject Twilight Switch]]''. After witnessing Applejack losing a large harvest of apples, Twilight feels guilty about not being able to help and tries to figure out a spell to fix it. Applejack eventually explains that she'd lost the apples due to her own hard-headedness; if Twilight just magicked up a solution, it'd be like a "get out of stubbornness free" card and she wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of her actions, effectively ruining a hard-learned lesson.
* ''Fanfic/ThePrayerWarriors'' keeps emphasizing that women are weak [[StayInTheKitchen and should be subservient to men]]. However, in ''[[Franchise/HarryPotter Battle with the Witches]]'', it's Ebony who does most of the work in gathering the keys to bring down Dumbledore; in ''Threat of Satanic Commonism'', it's Mary who kills "[[Music/TheBeatles John Lennon]]"; and in ''[[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians Evil Gods Part Two]]'', it's Ebony (again) who can capture {{Creator/Socrates}}. These examples, as well as several other cases of female Prayer Warriors fighting multiple enemies at once, makes one have to wonder just how weak and useless the women are.
* ''Fanfic/ARabbitAmongWolves'': InUniverse, Ironwood tries to give Jaune a "violence solves nothing" lecture only for Jaune to throw back how Ironwood just tried to use violence to apprehend him with absolutely no diplomacy or tact. [[MoralMyopia Ironwood insists he was trying to uphold the law to capture a terrorist]].
* ''Fanfic/ReflectionsLostOnADarkRoad'':
** [[GenkiGirl Anime Starfire]] [[OutOfCharacter somehow rationalises]] restraint against non-superpowered opponents as a version of supremacism, and not in the "You should show restraint against the aliens as well" direction, but rather the other one. [[note]]Possibly a very loose, some generations-removed, memetic leftover from the popular online or GTA style: "If you are willing to accept the unavoidable realities of eating animals, you have to be willing to murder, eat, and put anybody in a genocide camp, or you're a hypocrite, as benevolence has to include all or nothing, and as all is impossible per definition, you should all become casual spree-killers, or you are all horrible people" rationale.[[/note]] This despite that her teammates would have preferred to use non-lethal force against the alien war-breeds as well, but they were conceptually designed to be impossible to use it against, and near impossible to even keep alive in confinement to boot. However, she also makes a valid point about that the term "[[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inhuman inhuman]]" is contradictory, as there will always be some human perfectly willing to commit any level of atrocity.
** The psychologist that Starfire spoke to stated that UNETCO members who started to not find the act of murder unpleasant and actually greatly enjoyed it were sensibly weeded out of the organization, yet Shampoo is also portrayed as being extremely sexually stimulated from playing sadistic hunt-games with completely outmatched prey (including previously doing so for sport and training at the age of 13, against non-superhuman opponents), and then enthusiastically slaughter them in as brutal manner as possible, and she is still there without anybody batting an eyelash.
** Taking Ryoga's [[MoralMyopia advice]], everyone gave Jinx leeway for her jerkass behavior. However, this only gave her a chance to take it up to eleven.
* The ''Manga/ElfenLied'' fanfic ''FanFic/RoboBando'' goes on and on about how pedophiles are complete scum and need to die, yet one of the later main 'heroes' is the Pedobear.
* ''Fanfic/ShiningPrettyCure'': After a session at the library, Youko learns the value of studying... but the Cures only knew how to effectively defeat the MonsterOfTheWeek because of her and Hibiki's habit of spending their time at the arcade instead. This is lampshaded, of course.
* ''Fanfic/ShowaAndVampire'':
** The story tries for an anti-suicide message during the ANTI-THESIS arc. But the reason for it is...Shinichi's a powerful cyborg constantly hounded by evil cyborgs who want to reprogram him into an unstoppable killer and he was about to be defeated and captured by one of them. Never mind how, in that case, there are some defensible reasons to go through with it. Even if Shinichi did die, two of his closest friends are Rias from ''Literature/HighSchoolDXD'' and Hime from ''Manga/PrincessResurrection'' (supernatural women who use their powers to bring the male main character back from the dead as one of the first things in their respective stories).
** The story tries to incorporate the theme of "monsters and people aren't so different" as an allegory for the barriers people make between themselves that ''Rosario + Vampire'' had. It mangles this '''horribly''', however. Most of the story's villains are cyborgs sent from the same evil organization that gave a lot of the heroes their powers, but the heroes always kill them without a second thought. Whenever they actually do talk somebody from it into turning over a new leaf, it's always either a girl who falls in love with the guy who talked her into leaving, or else it's someone who was already friends with one of the heroes from when they were both evil. Turning the message into "the only people worth saving are beautiful girls who'll become your LoveInterest, or people you're already friends with." [[note]]Back when the fic was being posted, there were Kamen Rider shows where the villains were defeated non-lethally, like ''[[Series/KamenRiderDouble Double]]'' and ''[[Series/KamenRiderFourze Fourze]]''. These had the villains' powers being destroyed, but the person being left unharmed.[[/note]]
* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' emphasizes with the Angels that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are bad. [[AndThatsTerrible Really, really bad.]] However, compared with the Demons, they were portrayed as the more honorable and nicer faction overall. The rewrite fixes this somewhat by making the Angels [[BlackAndGrayMorality far more morally gray than the original]], even with some of more sympathetic Angel characters like Jesus. It also makes the Demons more gray too, to emphasize the fact that both sides are flawed and similar.
