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* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone either seems to [[TheScrappy hate Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him to death]].
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* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone Ashfur has become one of the most divisive characters in ''all of fiction'', even serving as the trope's page image. He's either seems a sympathetic cat who let his emotions get to [[TheScrappy hate him during a particularly tense moment, or a creepy incel who deserves neither sympathy nor the fanbase he accrued. Things only worsened when it was revealed that he [[KarmaHoudini went to StarClan]], causing the debate to intensify. [[spoiler:Ashfur became a fair bit less divisive come the ''Broken Code'' arc, which played fully into his villainous {{Yandere}} interpretation, with his entry into [=StarClan=] serving as an enabler for his villainy. Still, some find Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him return to death]].be blatant {{Pandering}} to his nostalgic fans.]]
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* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone either seems to [[TheScrappy hate Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him to death]]. There's a reason the image page for BaseBreakingCharacter is about him.
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* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone either seems to [[TheScrappy hate Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him to death]]. There's a reason the image page for BaseBreakingCharacter is about him.
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* Flamepaw/Nightheart. Many fans love him and relate to him having a estranged, neglectful family and grappling with his heritage to Firestar. Others find his personality and character arc cliche at best, unbearable at worst, and usually consider the whole thing ''very'' misogynistic in practice because of how his presence affects the female characters around him. A third faction decided that while Nightheart is a bad person, it makes him more appealing to them.
* Flamepaw/Nightheart. Many fans love him and relate to him having a estranged, neglectful family and grappling with his heritage to Firestar. Others find his personality and character arc cliche at best, unbearable at worst, and usually consider the whole thing ''very'' misogynistic in practice because of how his presence affects the female characters around him. A third faction decided that while Nightheart is a bad person, it makes him more appealing to them.
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* Nightcloud and Crowfeather. Generally, you love one and hate the other. There was a point in time on the official forums where [[UpToEleven every single topic featuring them resulted in a flame war.]]
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* Nightcloud and Crowfeather. Generally, you love one and hate the other. There was a point in time on the official forums where [[UpToEleven every single topic featuring them resulted in a flame war.]]
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** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
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** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her father and adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
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** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who suffers from understandable [[SinsOfOurFathers insecurities]], but genuinely wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, even if their multiple issues cause them plenty of heartaches. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring, and overhyped character who doesn't get to [[InformedAttribute show his skill as much as it is told]], and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves. Other fans, tired of the MasochismTango that he and Squirrelflight constantly go through, often portray him as either a HenpeckedHusband whose love for his mate is misplaced due to her stubbornness and refusal to compromise ''or'' a selfish prick who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling, and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, since his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling, and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, since his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
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** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who suffers from understandable and sympathetic [[SinsOfOurFathers insecurities]], but genuinely wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, even if their multiple issues cause them plenty of heartaches. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring, and overhyped character who doesn't get to [[InformedAttribute show his skill as much as it is told]], and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves. Other fans, tired of the MasochismTango that he and Squirrelflight constantly go through, often portray him as either a HenpeckedHusband whose love for his mate is misplaced due to her stubbornness stubbornness, rudeness and refusal to compromise compromise, ''or'' a selfish prick who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] andhypocrisy [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling, and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as anevil counterpart EvilCounterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, since his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat because of how rude she can be, how overly confident she is herself, how she took advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question challenge the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat because of how rude she can be, how overly confident she is in herself, how she often took advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and how she never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, even if their multiple issues cause them plenty of heartaches. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring, and overhyped character who doesn't get to [[InformedAttribute show his skill as much as it is told]], and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves. Other fans, tired of the MasochismTango that he and Squirrelflight constantly go through, often portray him as either a HenpeckedHusband whose love for his mate is misplaced due to her stubbornness and refusal to compromise ''or'' a selfish prick who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of cruelty from those around her (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of cruelty from those around her (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
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** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who suffers from understandable [[SinsOfOurFathers insecurities]], but genuinely wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, even if their multiple issues cause them plenty of heartaches. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring, and overhyped character who doesn't get to [[InformedAttribute show his skill as much as it is told]], and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves. Other fans, tired of the MasochismTango that he and Squirrelflight constantly go through, often portray him as either a HenpeckedHusband whose love for his mate is misplaced due to her stubbornness and refusal to compromise ''or'' a selfish prick who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face ofcruelty from those around her any hardship (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day day, and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's [[PoorCommunicationKills inability to communicate communicate]] and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her rashness [[DidntThinkThisThrough rashness]] and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat because of how she took advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat because of how rude she can be, how overly confident she is herself, how she took advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of cruelty from those around her (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]] Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
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** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]], her resilience in the face of cruelty from those around her (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]] Ashfur]], losing her adoptive daughter and father in the same day and two of her biological children shortly after birth) and her position as a capable deputy and ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Her detractors, meanwhile, often point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict, and that compared to other characters similar to her she gets off with a lighter sentence.
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* Onestar was always a contentious character for his slide from NiceGuy to {{Jerkass}}, but the reveal of his secret half-Clan BastardBastard and subsequent MutualKill with his son did split some fans, with half viewing it as a cheap reveal that undermined the existing motivations of the characters, and the other half absolutely thrilled to see the final battle between Onestar and Darktail, and who think that the reveal actually strengthens a previously weak character.
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* The Sisters. Either they're an interesting look into a non-Clan society that has actual flaws and problems they need to work on while still maintaining their unique culture and traditions, or they're a cheap plot device that weakens the already bloated lore of Warriors by adding game-breaking abilities that fail to do anything interesting with all their potential.
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* The two main protagonists of the Arc are hit with this, and hit with this '''hard'''. While fans initially tended to love them both, as time went on and they went through OfficialCoupleOrdeal several times over, breaking up twice and going through a break once, the fandom quickly became polarized.
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* The two main protagonists of the Arc are hit with this, and hit with this '''hard'''. While fans initially tended to love them both, as time went on and they went through OfficialCoupleOrdeal OfficialCoupleOrdealSyndrome several times over, breaking up twice and going through a break once, the fandom quickly became polarized.
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The original phrasing of that sentence felt a little too close to Flame Bait for my tastes. This version keeps the spirit of the text while removing the inflammatory tone.
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* Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, and who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict. Also, some people feel that Squirrelflight's flaws and mistakes are always whitewashed by the narrative in favor of making her in the right.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict. Also, some people feel that Squirrelflight's flaws and mistakes are always whitewashed by the narrative in favor of making her in the right.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
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* The two main protagonists of the Arc are hit with this, and hit with this '''hard'''. While fans initially tended to love them both, as time went on and they went through OfficialCoupleOrdeal several times over, breaking up twice and going through a break once, the fandom quickly became polarized.
** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight,succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. even if their multiple issues cause them plenty of heartaches. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, boring, and overhyped character who doesn't get to [[InformedAttribute show his skill as much as it is told]], and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, solves. Other fans, tired of the MasochismTango that he and Squirrelflight constantly go through, often portray him as either a HenpeckedHusband whose love for his mate is misplaced due to her stubbornness and refusal to compromise ''or'' a selfish prick who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. ** Squirrelflight. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. thing]], her resilience in the face of cruelty from those around her (her various conflicts with Brambleclaw/star, being manipulated and coerced into raising her sister's kits, [[{{Yandere}} everything]] [[IfICantHaveYou about]] [[PsychoEx Ashfur]] Her detractors, meanwhile, will often point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict. Also, some people feel conflict, and that Squirrelflight's flaws and mistakes are always whitewashed by the narrative in favor of making compared to other characters similar to her in the right.
she gets off with a lighter sentence.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable,compelling compelling, and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because since his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, power-hungry like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
* Daisy. Either she's a hysterical idiot who prefers to spend her time raising kittens instead of hunting or fighting for her clan, or she's a woman doing her best for her children who eventually grows to become the denmother to all the kittens in [=ThunderClan=]. This has died down somewhat as ''A Vision Of Shadows'' and ''Daisy's Kin'' showed her at her best, comforting expectant mothers and keeping the nursery in working order.
** Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight,
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable,
* Daisy. Either she's a hysterical idiot who prefers to spend her time raising kittens instead of hunting or fighting for her clan, or she's a woman doing her best for her children who eventually grows to become the denmother to all the kittens in [=ThunderClan=]. This has died down somewhat as ''A Vision Of Shadows'' and ''Daisy's Kin'' showed her at her best, comforting expectant mothers and keeping the nursery in working order.
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** Cinderheart. Either she's a well-written character who's just as likable as her pre-incarnation, Cinderpelt, or a bitchy character whose very existence as a reincarnation of Cinderpelt completely warps canon. There's little to no middle ground on this.
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** Mapleshade. One side sees her as an incredibly enjoyable villain with a cool, but tragic past. The other side sees her as a failed attempt at a creepy villain, who keeps getting shoehorned into the books. Then there's a [[DracoInLeatherPants third side that tries to whitewash her completely.]]
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* Depending on who you ask, Bumblestripe is either a genuinely nice guy whose unrequited love for Dovewing is a tragic element of his character, or an entitled Nice Guy™ who can't accept that Dovewing just isn't into him and harasses her into accepting a relationship with him. It only got worse after the bonus scene in Shattered Sky showed him trying to pressure Dovewing into resuming their relationship and having children with him, shortly after her ''friend's funeral''.
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* Depending on who you ask, Bumblestripe is either a genuinely nice guy whose unrequited love for Dovewing is a tragic element of his character, or an entitled Nice Guy™ who can't accept that Dovewing just isn't into him and harasses her into accepting a relationship with him. It only got worse after the bonus scene in Shattered Sky ''Shattered Sky'' showed him trying to pressure Dovewing into resuming their relationship and having children with him, shortly after her ''friend's funeral''.
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat who takes advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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* Needletail. Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, angry and manipulative cat who takes because of how she took advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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* Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, and who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. The other side sees him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. The other side sees him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
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* Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing, thing and tries his best to do so, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, and who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict. \n Also, some people feel that Squirrelflight's flaws and mistakes are always whitewashed by the narrative in favor of making her in the right.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw.The other side sees Others see him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw.
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* Needletail. Feisty and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel, or an arrogant, annoying, and angry cat who doesn't take the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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* Needletail. Feisty Some see her as a feisty, brave, and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel, or apprentice-turned-rebel because of her willingness to question the rigid rules of the warrior code and her sacrifice to save Violetpaw. Others see her as an arrogant, annoying, and angry and manipulative cat who doesn't take takes advantage of her friendship with Violetpaw and never accepts the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
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For such a long-running series, it's inevitable that there'd be some contentious characters, but these ones take the cake.
%%Please add characters based on when they break the base. Ashfur is introduced in the Original Series, but his actions in The Power Of Three are what led to the base breaking.%%
!!The Original Series
* Firestar, our original protagonist, is viewed either as a courageous [[TheHero hero]] who challenges expectations and goes beyond what anyone ever thought possible of him, or a boring, generic protagonist who stagnates as a flawless BigGood instead of having to grow and improve the same way that protagonists after him would.
* Graystripe, Firestar's best friend, very quickly lost sympathy once his romance with Silverstream started. Was he an example of StarCrossedLovers who lost his first love before her time and moved to [=RiverClan=] to try and keep the peace while raising his children properly, or an idiot who put his clan and his best friend at risk to get with a girl he barely knew, and who abandoned his home only to be disloyal to his new clan?
* Bluestar. While she was the wise and noble leader of [=ThunderClan=] for the first three books, her refusal to accept criticism against her deputy and her blind spots in regards to what went on in her clan rubbed some people the wrong way. Then, after her mental breakdown between the third and fourth books, she quickly polarized the fandom, with some people viewing her as a callous brat refusing to care for her clan properly and letting them rot while she wallowed in paranoia, and others seeing her as a broken woman who has lost everyone she thought she could trust in a very short period of time and whose eventual HeroicSacrifice redeems her and allows her to reconcile with her kits at the very end.
!!The New Prophecy
* Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, and who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. The other side sees him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
!!The Power Of Three
* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone either seems to [[TheScrappy hate Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him to death]]. There's a reason the image page for BaseBreakingCharacter is about him.
* Yellowfang. She was a well-liked, sympathetic character early on in the series, and some still like her to this day, but her frequent harassment of Jayfeather and later Dovewing to take up their responsibilities as the Three when they're still young, has left a bad taste in many readers' mouths. The revelation that she [[spoiler: lied to Squirrelflight about her being barren in order to get her to take in Leafpool's kits]] has led many to straight-up despise her.
** Cinderheart. Either she's a well-written character who's just as likable as her pre-incarnation, Cinderpelt, or a bitchy character whose very existence as a reincarnation of Cinderpelt completely warps canon. There's little to no middle ground on this.
* Nightcloud and Crowfeather. Generally, you love one and hate the other. There was a point in time on the official forums where [[UpToEleven every single topic featuring them resulted in a flame war.]]
!!Omen Of The Stars
* Dovewing. While many fans hate her for the frequent {{Wangst}} and indecisiveness that appears in her chapters, especially early on in Omen Of The Stars, another subset of the fandom empathizes with her struggle to balance her relationship with her sister and her clan against the responsibilities foisted upon her by [=StarClan=]. This has mellowed out as Dovewing settled into adulthood and became a mother, but you'll occasionally find some fans who loathe or love her with a passion.
* Depending on who you ask, Bumblestripe is either a genuinely nice guy whose unrequited love for Dovewing is a tragic element of his character, or an entitled Nice Guy™ who can't accept that Dovewing just isn't into him and harasses her into accepting a relationship with him. It only got worse after the bonus scene in Shattered Sky showed him trying to pressure Dovewing into resuming their relationship and having children with him, shortly after her ''friend's funeral''.
* Millie. Abusive, terrible Silverstream replacement, or compassionate heroine?
!!A Vision Of Shadows
* Needletail. Feisty and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel, or an arrogant, annoying, and angry cat who doesn't take the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
!!Other
** Mapleshade. One side sees her as an incredibly enjoyable villain with a cool, but tragic past. The other side sees her as a failed attempt at a creepy villain, who keeps getting shoehorned into the books. Then there's a [[DracoInLeatherPants third side that tries to whitewash her completely.]]
%%Please add characters based on when they break the base. Ashfur is introduced in the Original Series, but his actions in The Power Of Three are what led to the base breaking.%%
!!The Original Series
* Firestar, our original protagonist, is viewed either as a courageous [[TheHero hero]] who challenges expectations and goes beyond what anyone ever thought possible of him, or a boring, generic protagonist who stagnates as a flawless BigGood instead of having to grow and improve the same way that protagonists after him would.
* Graystripe, Firestar's best friend, very quickly lost sympathy once his romance with Silverstream started. Was he an example of StarCrossedLovers who lost his first love before her time and moved to [=RiverClan=] to try and keep the peace while raising his children properly, or an idiot who put his clan and his best friend at risk to get with a girl he barely knew, and who abandoned his home only to be disloyal to his new clan?
* Bluestar. While she was the wise and noble leader of [=ThunderClan=] for the first three books, her refusal to accept criticism against her deputy and her blind spots in regards to what went on in her clan rubbed some people the wrong way. Then, after her mental breakdown between the third and fourth books, she quickly polarized the fandom, with some people viewing her as a callous brat refusing to care for her clan properly and letting them rot while she wallowed in paranoia, and others seeing her as a broken woman who has lost everyone she thought she could trust in a very short period of time and whose eventual HeroicSacrifice redeems her and allows her to reconcile with her kits at the very end.
!!The New Prophecy
* Brambleclaw, later Bramblestar. Some fans like him, seeing him as an interesting, enjoyable, complex, and noble cat who wants to do the right thing, and is a good leader who puts his Clan first while also trying to be a good mate to Squirrelflight, succeeding for the most part but sometimes being unable to cope with her various personal failings. Others hate his guts, seeing him as a generic, boring character, and a useless clone of Firestar who causes more problems than he solves, and who would rather abuse his power over Squirrelflight than try to work things out with her.
* Squirrelflight has become one of the biggest ones. Her fans appreciate her brash and reckless nature that eventually mellows out into a level-headed but still somewhat rebellious spirit who, like her father, will bend and break rules to [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight do the right thing]]. Her detractors, meanwhile, will point out that Squirrelflight's inability to communicate and willingness to go behind people's backs and lie to them has repeatedly led to damaging her personal relationships and hurting the people she loves most, and that her rashness and hypocrisy has led to more than one unnecessary conflict.
* Hawkfrost. Some see him as an enjoyable, compelling and interesting villain because of his ferocity as a fighter, his cold, calculating efficiency as a ManipulativeBastard, and his status as an evil counterpart to Brambleclaw. The other side sees him as a dull and predictable Tigerstar rip-off, because his motivation for turning evil is ultimately just that he's power-hungry, like his father, and because he is stated to look dangerous right from the start, making his turn to evil seem rather predictable.
!!The Power Of Three
* Ever since ''Long Shadows'' came out, everyone either seems to [[TheScrappy hate Ashfur's guts]] or [[DracoInleatherPants adore him to death]]. There's a reason the image page for BaseBreakingCharacter is about him.
* Yellowfang. She was a well-liked, sympathetic character early on in the series, and some still like her to this day, but her frequent harassment of Jayfeather and later Dovewing to take up their responsibilities as the Three when they're still young, has left a bad taste in many readers' mouths. The revelation that she [[spoiler: lied to Squirrelflight about her being barren in order to get her to take in Leafpool's kits]] has led many to straight-up despise her.
** Cinderheart. Either she's a well-written character who's just as likable as her pre-incarnation, Cinderpelt, or a bitchy character whose very existence as a reincarnation of Cinderpelt completely warps canon. There's little to no middle ground on this.
* Nightcloud and Crowfeather. Generally, you love one and hate the other. There was a point in time on the official forums where [[UpToEleven every single topic featuring them resulted in a flame war.]]
!!Omen Of The Stars
* Dovewing. While many fans hate her for the frequent {{Wangst}} and indecisiveness that appears in her chapters, especially early on in Omen Of The Stars, another subset of the fandom empathizes with her struggle to balance her relationship with her sister and her clan against the responsibilities foisted upon her by [=StarClan=]. This has mellowed out as Dovewing settled into adulthood and became a mother, but you'll occasionally find some fans who loathe or love her with a passion.
* Depending on who you ask, Bumblestripe is either a genuinely nice guy whose unrequited love for Dovewing is a tragic element of his character, or an entitled Nice Guy™ who can't accept that Dovewing just isn't into him and harasses her into accepting a relationship with him. It only got worse after the bonus scene in Shattered Sky showed him trying to pressure Dovewing into resuming their relationship and having children with him, shortly after her ''friend's funeral''.
* Millie. Abusive, terrible Silverstream replacement, or compassionate heroine?
!!A Vision Of Shadows
* Needletail. Feisty and well-developed apprentice-turned-rebel, or an arrogant, annoying, and angry cat who doesn't take the blame for taking part in [=ShadowClan=]'s ruin.
!!Other
** Mapleshade. One side sees her as an incredibly enjoyable villain with a cool, but tragic past. The other side sees her as a failed attempt at a creepy villain, who keeps getting shoehorned into the books. Then there's a [[DracoInLeatherPants third side that tries to whitewash her completely.]]
