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Working Title: Writer Revolt: From YKTTW
Denny Crane: Someone should add something about Boston Legal's final season where the writers made constant references to cancellations and nothing good bein on TV any more.
Lynceus: About the Turn A Gundam bit... doesn't Loran only actually crossdress the one time? I mean, everyone thinks that the Turn-A's pilot is a girl for most of the series, but he doesn't actually disguise himself except for that formal ball... Not that you couldn't mistake Loran for a girl in his normal clothes, but that's not really crossdressing. I'm not sure how exactly to go about editing that entry though... I guess you could just redo that whole sentence. Any thoughts?
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you look to the left, you'll see Vampire Buddha dumping a pile of natter on the discussion page.
- This editor thinks that this was for the better. The combination makes the manga much more unique and interesting than if it would have just been straight shonen.
For this troper, it hasn't stuck, mostly because despite attempts to re-emphasize the good parts of the Imperium, the Tau still come off as more likable as an institution.
- Not to this Troper. When you get down to it the Imperium is humanity. Chaos can destroy the universe before I'll condone a bunch of Xenos telling humanity what to do. One of the complaints about the Tau is they don't fit the setting. A naive belief in working for the greater good won't get you far when the Tyranids consume all life in your sector of space. Eldar good? They'd sit by and watch all other life in the galaxy become extinct if it would ensure their own survival.
- The Imperium is worse.
- Agreed. This troper has always looked at it this way: From the point of view of non-Codexed race, the Eldar will, if they can, happily divert a Waaagh! to wipe out your species if that means a single Eldar doesn't break a nail three thousand years later (actually risking Eldar lives would, of course, require more cause to act). The Imperium will wipe you out simply because they can. In the relative morality of WH40K, this makes the Eldar a lighter shade of gray than anyone but, possibly, the Tau (who, in their darkest interpretation, will mind-control your leaders and enslave you).
- The weirdest thing about this is even the best version of the Tau is pretty much Soviet Russia. And everyone else is worse.
Ununnilium: And yet more Warhammer natter:
- Nightwing, not Superboy, was supposed to die at the end of Infinite Crisis. Geoff Johns, Phil Jimenez and others convinced Dan DiDio to change it, partly because Nightwing is one of the oldest superheroes in print (he was the original Robin). To this day, he is still teased at conventions about how he "hates Nightwing".
- Siegel and Shuster's successful copyright lawsuit against DC might have more to do with it.
This doesn't actually seem to be an example of this. Where's the revolt?
Anyone else think this make the writers seem like unprofessional hacks who shouldn't be allowed to work anymore?
Filby: Took this out...
- Dan Didio, the Joe Quesada of the DCU, has had this happen to him quite a few times. One of the most striking examples involves the Amazonian matriarch Queen Hippolyta's tenure as Wonder Woman. After Infinite Crisis, Didio stated publicly that it "didn't happen". A couple weeks later, JSA comes out with an issue with the old guard drinking to Hippolyta, going on about how she was a great Wonder Woman. Isn't history fun?
...because that issue actually came out about five years before Infinite Crisis. That happened after Polly died in "Our Worlds at War".
Looney Toons: Sorata Yuy added the following comment to the Negima example. It's natter, so I snipped it, but it deserves the courtesy of a response.
- Wait, wait, wait. After finishing up a harem comedy in the first place, the publisher wanted him to do yet another? And he didn't turn to them, point at all the volumes of Love Hina he'd just done, and ask them "Wat the f*** you carr zhose?" Oh man. XD
Looney Toons: He probably did. The suits certainly didn't care. Remember — executives in media companies (be it the US or Japan) are conservative and imitative. They don't like change, they don't like the unexpected, and they don't like anything that's too different. Akamatsu had just two series under his belt at the time, Love Hina and a manga called "AI Love You", and both are romantic comedies. After LH he's one of the biggest selling mangaka out there, but when he pitches his next series, he says he wants to go completely out of the genre in which he made his mark. The typical media executive response? "Oh, no! We don't know if that will work. Do something just like you've been doing instead. We'll pay you for that, but we won't pay you for anything different from it." Negima was Akamatsu's gamble that he could get the popularity and the readership for what he really wanted to do before the executives realized he'd pulled a fast one on them.
I'm not sure I believe the David Simon example. Marlo being allowed to go free fits perfectly with the overarching themes of the show, and anyway there was no other way to resolve that season in a way that would've fit with the tone of the series. So I'm very skeptical that he did it to revolt against the fans that hated Marlo.
Paschendale: Anyone but me think that there should be a separate page for incidences of Actor Revolt?