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Working Title: Van Helsings Hate Crimes: From YKTTW
Frank75: Hey, this reminds me of something... did we have this trope before The Great Crash?
- In Redwall, foxes, weasels, stoats, ferrets, and rats are considered 'vermin' to the other woodland creatures and are actively sought out and killed by some, and hated by all of them. Although some probably deserved the reputation, others... not so much.
- Some of the good "woodlanders" say that they don't follow this belief, but the vermin almost invariably prove them wrong. Very, very occasionally some vermin have pulled MookFaceTurns, and two of those survived and eventually been accepted by woodlander society, but this is extremely rare - five reformations in twenty books which each have Loads And Loads Of Characters.
So... this shouldn't count, then, if they're right.
- I am surprised that no one has mentioned the novel that started it all, Dracula by Bram Stoker. The novel is epistolary and told ONLY from the viewpoints of the "good guys" such as Harker, Mina, etc. There is nothing in the novel directly from Dracula's point of view—it's all filtered through other people's repressed Victorian sensibilities, and I read a persuasive essay that suggests that because of this, we cannot accurately judge Dracula's true character or villainy.
- Aside from the fact that he kills people for sustenance. Or amusement, in the case of a woman whose baby he had fed to his brides.
That's nice, but it doesn't actually show up in the book. `` Link to the essay if you want, but...
- I'm shocked no one's mentioned Twilight with the werewolves and the Cullens.
I'm more shocked that you didn't say why or how it's an example!
- Buffy strangely ignores this. In Season 1, she's tasked with slaying demons and vampires to keep mortals safe. By Season 6, it turns out a vampire can be "corrected" out of their demonic nature by persuasive aversion therapy, and Buffy ends up leaving her sister in the care of a friendly neighborhood demon when she's off saving the world. The Moral Dissonance of this is not explained.
...the Watchers are jerks? I dunno, I thought it was pretty well-covered, though not by this trope.
Pig_catapult: The "Unknown Armies" example is completely Blue Shifted for no reason. Can someone who is more familiar with the setting's tropes please fix this?
