This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Fast Eddie: There was a bunch of stuff about guro that I cut. It might be useful if someone cares to write an article about guro.
Wascally Wabbit: I have to question the point of this change, surely the two terms are close enough to be lumped, and do we really want the google hits?
Fast Eddie: Google will hit on it whether it is in the title or in the article. Also, the text of the guro thing was about it being essentially the Japanese for "snuff-flick." The only thing it has in common with this trope is violence. Well, that, and the letters 'g','r', and 'o'.
Fast Eddie: Pulled ...
- I don't think it was the crucifixion itself that was seen as excessive, but rather the repeated beating on the way to it. If the crucifixion scene was the only gory bit, there probably wouldn't have been so many complaints.
...this is where discussion goes. Not in the article. See:Natter, and the big, bold print at the top of this edit box.
Tongpu: Pulled yet more Passion natter:
- Wait, there's actually a critic somewhere who panned Passion of the Christ but gave Saw a rave review? Wait check that - there's actually any serious movie critic anywhere on the face of the earth that gave Saw a rave review?
- We understand you're trying to be cute, but here goes anyway: "Critics" implies more than one. Passion has only a slightly higher score on the Tomatometer, but the fact stands that critics hated that movie for the same reason they praise stuff like, which means similar to, Saw. Disagree? Then explain all those four-star reviews for Grindhouse.
- Wait, there's actually a critic somewhere who panned Passion of the Christ but gave Saw a rave review? Wait check that - there's actually any serious movie critic anywhere on the face of the earth that gave Saw a rave review?
Rabrab: Can it still be gorn if it's supposed to be comedy? I'm thinking of MTV's Celebrity Death Match?
For the purpose of this page, is Gorn (1) gruesome violence (the opposite of Bloodless Carnage and the extreme case of Family-Unfriendly Violence), or (2) a story whose main purpose is to portray gruesome violence? —Document N
Caswin: Closer to 2. Simply having gruesome violence shouldn't qualify as gorn. If it seems to revel in it (the two examples I can think of off the top of my head are {{300}} and Hostel, though they go about it in very different ways) so that the draw is the violence itself, desensitization-and-its-consequences-be-darned we've got seats to fill and there's a strong target audience for it, that's gorn.
There's a well-established term for this: carnography. This trope name should be changed.
