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Argument over image
Lizuka: Does anyone else think we should really change the image for this page? I know Haruhi Suzumiya is insanely popular, but the character herself barely qualifies for the trope - Tomo or Excel would probably be much better options.
Twilightdusk: I doubt anyone would object. Just find a picture and do whatever needs to be done to get it on the page.
Smokie: How is the image inappropriate? Let alone that the image note is funny.
Smokie: That new pic◊ doesn't even exemplify the trope. Looks like 2 girls bickering with each other in a friendly manner. Apart from that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old pic, which really did exemplify this trope, I can see no reason for a change. Anyway, don't tell me that she doesn't qualify, because she does. Did I mention already that the old pic◊ makes is the best example available?
Twilightdusk: I invite you to look at Chiyo's face in that picture, and that Tomo looks as though she is about to throw her. Combined with the page quote, it is just as good, if not better, than the Haruhi image, in which she looks exited about something, but not necessarily hyper.
Citizen: Denied by executive order.
Twilightdusk: OK, I won't argue the point, but (me being rather new here), what does that mean exactly and who else has the right to do it?
Citizen: It means nothing. =P My image was good enough (and better than yours); there's no need to replace it.
Adam C.: I can see the need to change the picture away from Haruhi. She gets plenty of acclaim on this site as-is (not that Azumanga doesn't), but more importantly she is hardly the clearest example. Haruhi only seems to get excited when she's ruffled or if there's a challenge, unlike Tomo, Excel, or a few others who're pure hyper energy all the time.
Smokie: It's not about who's the clearest example. By that logic, only Trope Namers and Ur Examples would fit. The pic shows you easily what this trope is about, and that's the important thing. Otherwise, just get over it.
Lizuka: Better idea. Way I count it, myself, Adam, and Twilightdusk argue for it, Smokie and Citizen against. Majority wins, Azumanga goes up.
Bufuman: As a neutral third party for this argument, I'm not against changing the picture, but the new one really doesn't inspire an image of the typical Genki Girl, which is something the Haruhi image did. At the very least find a more "energetic" picture. And for God's sakes, quit arguing like a bunch of friggin' fanboys. You sound like children.
Citizen: Argue like adults, then? ¯\(º_o)/¯ It's a disagreement over which picture is better; don't expect to get an intellectual debate out of that.
Smokie: The fact that the change was done with no other argument than "Haruhi doesn't fit", while the counter-side at least gave valuable reasons for keeping it is what's ridiculous. Yeah, I can't see how the Azumanga picture is any better. They might be more extreme Genki Girl's than Haruhi is, but that's hardly a justification for putting up a bad picture. And then I find it extremely brash and to just go "my example is better than yours, who the fuck cares about your opinion" and change the picture, ignoring reasonable objections. But yeah, it's obviously the "Haruhi fanboys" who are the bad guys here. Way to go, Tv Toads.
Citizen: I was just flippant because I didn't expect the argument to go so far. It's not about the series; it isn't a bad example, it's a good picture, and it was there first, so there's no need to change it—that's about my reasoning, and it being my picture I'm naturally biased towards it. "Haruhi fanboyism" is just a bogeyman.
Twilightdusk: I would like to note that the current image is much better then the one that had previously been fought over.
Tominator2: So, genki girls are those that know kung fu. This picture definitely gets that across better.
Chrisell: I removed the following lines from the Anne of Green Gables example: "Because she realizes, or the author does, that if she stays true to herself her chance at finding a mate will be significantly reduced (etc)" as it's completely inaccurate. In "Anne of Avonlea" it's mentioned that Anne has learned to keep her daydreams and fantasies to herself because they're too precious to expose to outside ridicule, and because as she's growing up she's learning self-control when it comes to saying what's on her mind. This is mentioned when Anne is still aged only 15 and not even thinking seriously about life partners yet.
Neo_Crimson: Why the hell is Tobi here? He's a guy for one thing and not even close to being as hyper some of these examples. That's not even including the fact that
That it's all a ruse.
In my first Japanese class, I was told that "genki desu ka" is a common term meaning "how are you?" with "genki" originally meaning "healthy".
Which I think is even more funny than "energetic", but I'm not sure enough about it to change that in the first line. If anyone does, please do so.