This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Heh...never thought there'd be a page for this.
Tanto: Deleted Xenogears because that doesn't seem like a particularly unreasonable opinion to me. It's far too long, uninteractive, unbelievably pretentious, and not that great as a game, really. 3.5 out of 5 seems just about right, and that's being generous.
Nezumi: I don't know how to say this... well, actually I do. It's a petty and biased reason to remove the entry. The "trope" is about scores that vary from the consensus on the game's quality drastically, not whether this is deserved. And the consensus on Xenogears is usually that it deserves a much higher score than that. Your personal opinion about whether the review is right is irrelevant. Reinserting, because the grounds for its removal just plain aren't good enough.
Tanto: Does it really vary that wildly? Xenogears has a devoted fanbase, sure enough, but you don't see people outside that fanbase declaring it "Best. Game. Ever." as with Zelda or Final Fantasy. And the game does have lots of flaws, so I don't really see how you can justify giving it astronomical scores.
tbarrie: Wait... Zelda and Final Fantasy have people outside their fanbases declaring them "Best. Game. Ever."? What do you have to do to be considered inside one of these games' fanbase?
Nezumi: The editor says that 3.5 is, on their version of the Four Point Rating System, a score reserved for horrible games. Even most of the detractors of Xenogears don't label it outright horrible. I'd say that's inconsistent.
Firelegend567: Personally I'm quite fond of Kagero, but that's besides the point. Personally I don't think the Xenogears entry really belongs here. I think it be more a case of Vindicatedby History.
Ronfar: For the record, the Xenogears review did generate hate mail.
Viewtiful Jeff: Does Gamespot's 9.5 for Halo fall here? Granted, I haven't researched every gaming community yet, but a fair amount of people seem to be freaking out over the fact that it didn't get a perfect 10.
HeartBurn Kid: Now that's just retarded. Seems like a real life version of The B Grade. "A 9.5? That means it's only better than 90% of the other games out there, not 100%! Oh noes!"
zinfandel: This might be more related to the Four-Point Scale, but I briefly had a job writing for a somewhat-popular gaming site. One of my first, and last, "major reviews" was Tony Hawk 3 (yes, this is that long ago), which I rather liked and gave it an 8. People. Went. Apeshit. People who couldn't possibly have played the game yet. I made the rookie mistake of addressing the site's forums and told everyone to cool out. They wanted my fricking HEAD.
Arakhor - This is a sad reflection of the times. If something is not considered to be absolutely perfect, it should apparently sink without a trace almost immediately. A perfect example of this is Planet Elder Scrolls' rating system, where if you like a mod, you pretty much have to vote a 10 or it disappears into the ranks of the other "non-perfect" mods.
Some Guy: Who removed my edit about the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess receiving a higher score than the Wii version? Part of the reason 8.8 became so infamous was because the Gamecube version getting a higher rating when the review itself recommended buying the Wii version seemed to be an open admittance on Gamespot's part that their numerical tabulating system was full of beans. I'm bringing the sub-entry back.
Some Guy: It happened again. How rude. Come out of hiding, you scoundrel!
Rebochan: Okay, what exactly is this trope about? Reviews that are outliers? Reviews that are outliers that get a really bad reaction from the fanbase? Or reviews with reasonable scores that get an insane amount of flames anyway? Because the examples are all over the place and a lot of them are just "I don't like this review".
Mr Death: It's basically a Fan Dumb trope specifically related to game reviews, where the fans feel that their favorite game didn't get the score it deserved.
Rebochan: Well there seems to be a lot of examples here that are simply individual tropers actually acting out the trope, but when I tried to clean it up, they all got put back.
Some Guy: It's not all that surprising the examples would skew this way. The whole reason this is a trope at all is because people love complaining about stuff. It seems to work so far as I can tell- the truly Fan Dumb arguments are still Fan Dumb. This is just one of the more meta pages on the site, is all.
Pikawil: Well, be glad I've backed up my claims on that TF 2 reviews with linkies.
Rebochan: I made another effort at, at the very least, removing the "This Troper" entries. Maybe if I put up a Troper Tales page and encourage people to post their personal stories there, it will keep the main page cleaner. I still don't think I got everything, but the effort for this page is quite...overwhelming.
Zaxser Image sucks. I suggest replacing it with this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/6/13/
Rebochan: The current image is literally the name of the trope. It's perfect.
Anonymous: I deleted this:
- Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, Disgaea was apparently released in Japan on the Playstation One. It was ported to the Playstation 2 because they wanted two voice over tracks and Nippon Ichi apparently loves wasting money.
Disgaea was a PS 2 game in Japan as well. The "two voice over tracks" reason is correct, but the change was merely from CD to DVD media, not from PS 1 to PS 2. Aside from that, it has nothing at all to do with the trope.
Could whoever wrote this please provide a citation for this claim?
"Considering both games are somewhat commonly considered to be step-backs for their respective franchises"
There was a bit of a shitstorm on the IGN Community when they gave GTA IV 10/10, a definite rarity... until MGS 4 was released a few months later and got a 10/10. Considering both games are somewhat commonly considered to be step-backs for their respective franchises, IGN's reputation suffered a bit and since then they seem to have stopped giving every game a score in the high 9s.... which has spawned even more complaining.
