I read some of what said troper posted that Enter talked about in that journal, and it appears he was simply going with the flow of everyone else who hated him. You know, you ARE ABLE to express why you hate a particular web video and not mean to be a "troll", and I put that in quotations because this troper most likely didn't mean to be a troll to begin with, thus, hurting his feelings, and leaving Tvtropes forums. And this is not ever the first time Enter did anything like this! Enter's video do have a lot of positives about them.... but again, he cannot seem to tell the difference between a troll and someone who genuinely wants to tell him he's not good. I doubt he has ever taken an actual critique in his life, like you do in school, and more likely, college!
Kyun, you're pretty transparent. And you're Shota.
Also, the guy is able to see his own mistakes and learn from them.
Breaking news; according to brave new research, everyone who has a negative opinion of Mr Enter is secretly Shota. More to follow.
I dislike Mr Enter, I'm not Shota. =[
Nope, i don't like Mr. Enter at all, not Shota. Oh and prepare to get that review flagged. You said something bad about him. His rabid fans like him apprently can dish it out, but can't take crictisism.
You never talked about how Mr. Enter was mean spirited to the other show, or even what that show was. And just because he responded to the troper, for who all we know could be a troll since you never explained what said troper's criticisms were, that doesn't mean he's telling people to attack the troper.
400 word limit Awesomekid42. There's a lot I couldn't talk about.
The other show was 'MLP Analysis' I believe; it's on his 'Moment of Awesome' page if you want to see it. Criticizing another reviewer for their review of a show in your own review of a show is petty and childish at best and malicious at worst.
I'm not going to copy and paste comments from other reviews onto this review. Go read Shota's comment if you like. I don't agree with his comment but everything he says is a matter of opinion, and his complaints are about the show, nothing personally against Mr Enter. Pretty clearly not a troll.
If you have a few thousand followers on deviantART and you link them to a review and say 'This commenter is being a douche!' then you are telling your fans to attack them, whether on purpose or accidentally (although to do so accidentally would be monumentally stupid.)
Hey I'm fine with this review, I disagree with not understanding the difference between the two, but I can see where you got everything else.
What? Why does everyone say this?? I'm not Shota.
He attacked Byter because Byter was being a pretentious douchebag and needed to be knocked down a few pegs.
Also, haters gonna hate.
While I see where you are coming from, I'd like to explain the whole situation with Mrenter responding to criticism: The criticisms were just "this part of his review sucks" with no explanation of why it sucks. It's better than most non-constructive criticisms I see, and can easily be taken as constructive... but they're really not. A constructive criticism would probably be the review that Toxic Lightning posted, or someone saying "I'm kinda scared because of the way you talk about these writers", which he has responded to the latter saying that he'll try to be less abrasive towards the writers of a show. I haven't seen him discuss the writers recently, only the writing itself. He's taking criticism. I understand where you're coming from, and I only hope that you understand where I'm coming from. Thank you for reading this, if you do, and you've made a pretty good review. Good job.
"He attacked Byter because Byter was being a pretentious douchebag and needed to be knocked down a few pegs."
Huh, sounds familiar...
Anyway you look at it, he's a popular reviewer that started a direct rivalry with a much smaller reviewer. That's a dick move, pretentious douchebag or not.
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
He didn't even attack Byter anyway. He debated with him. There's a difference.
@Elmo
I see your points. While I personally found that several of what Enter said to Shota was well deserved, I do think it was uncalled for to make an entire DA submission to respond to him. I don't have much of an opinion on what he said about MLP analysis as I haven't seen the video where he mentioned them. But I understand your view.
I'd just like to say that I'm pleasantly surprised to see that a fair few of Mr Enter's fans are understanding my view of him and responding with nothing worse than respectful disagreement. I was worried I'd get some flames or flags but you're all being quite mature. Thanks!
I wasn't there for the Byter debates, and I kind of got the impression it was a flame war. Sorry.
I so agree that him looping footage is very distracting and his editing could use some work, but I cut him some slack because he's working with zero budget.
So, first people assume other people who attack Mr. Enter are me, now people who assume people who attack him are Shota.
Alright then.
Jinbo, I don't understand that either. I recommend remembering that this is a fanbase of someone on the internet. A good majority of the people in those, at best, are Mr. Enter's fan base - people who maliciously attack others for disliking the person/thing they're a fan of. At worst, see the Sonic fanbase or the Metalhead community (the majority, not all)... it get's pretty bad. I hope that'll... give you an idea of what to expect from these people if you didn't already know. If you knew that already, sorry about that.
Honestly, I think the Nickelodeon fanbase is one of the worst fan bases I've ever been a part of.
The Nickelodeon fanbase isn't all that good, but I've seen worse. At least most people there can agree on something, the Sonic fanbase can't even do that. At least most people in the Nickelodeon fanbase can stay out of conversations with a different fanbase that didn't communicate with them, the Metalhead community is, for the most part, incapable of that. Trust me, there is always worse.
Anyways, back to the discussion of this review. I think it's pretty good (even though I disagree with a few parts), what about you? (sorry I have two comments in a row, to anyone that is bothered by that...)
Probably the worst fanbase I've seen, are the smarks or WWE fans. Look, I don't care much for WWE, but man they are some of the most whiny little brats I've ever seen (Looking at you especially Spoony)
What's with all the hate for Spoony? Seriously, Dr. Insano for president!
Spoony hate can pretty much be summed up by this 10 word sentence;
"Final Fantasy VIII sucks and YOU suck for liking it!"
I'm pretty sure Noah said that as a part of his Spoony character. Like Doug and his Nostalgia Critic character.
That's definitely part of a character. He's making fun of how everyone in the comments section says that exact kind of thing. It's supposed to be over the top and funny (remember, it's a catchphrase... and he did say in a few, not-in-character videos that he doesn't mean it). If it wasn't funny to you... I understand where you're coming from, I mean, you didn't know it was in character and he was a bit abrasive in the reviews of Final Fantasy VIII. I just don't understand how something like that would lead to people hating everything he does/say.
Tell that to the poor sap who grew up with Final Fantasy VIII and stumbles across Spoony's review. People don't like it when other people criticize their favorite thing, especially if said reviewer is being a real ass. So the fan retaliates. (Huh, sounds familiar).
Though I have heard that Spoony has a changed opinion on Final Fantasy VIII. Mostly thanks to Final Fantasy XIII.
How does it sound familiar? Either way, if your problem is that he has a negative opinion or that it's your favorite game that he's criticizing... that's not a flaw, that's an opinion. They are NOT the same thing. To screw up a review, you have to mess up on something like these: hating an adaptation/spinoff because it's not exactly like the original (example: a critic hating Shadow the Hedgehog because there are guns in the game, regardless of how the guns work or what they do for the gameplay or the fact that said guns are optional), hating a critic because they disagree with you (an infuriating example is the hate that Joshscorcher's "top 10 overrated games" got because there wasn't enough "Halo" or "Call of Duty" on the list for the people watching to be happy, even though the video itself was very enjoyable and interesting), or doing anything that the Irate Gamer does (obviously ripping off of a popular entertainer just to make himself popular, making it obvious that he's done no research on anything, etc.) Those are reasons to hate a critic, and I'm sure there are a few more, but not an opinion. Just, not an opinion.
Erm, I'm very happy that my review has caused some discussion, but it's been 10 comments since anyone mentioned Mr Enter.
Well, you mentioned him now Elmo. XD
I think the Toxic Lightning review sums up my thoughts on Mr Enter. He does a few things wrong, but he's a good critic for the most part. Also, I actually do think that making something like One Coarse Meal for KIDS would make you a bad person... but it's more like "greenlighting it makes you a bad person", because trust me, anyone (even you, me or Mrenter) would write this kind of crap just to mess with the producers... but no one except an arrogant fool like Paul Tibbit (look at his egotistical thoughts on the new designs for the SpongeBob Movie 2... that ego of his... it's so infuriating) would want that to air on a children's network.
Yes, "egotistical thoughts" which are clearly jokes.
I never thought this guy's fans would be humorless, too.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@Aldo930 I can't decide on a response that would explain to you... just how stupid a post you've just made. I guess I'll just explain the problem with that "joke". It's almost as terrible of a joke as YOU are.
That wasn't a joke. That was real.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Aldo, are you sure it isn't YOU who has no sense of humor? I mean, it actually feels like reading each thing you post actually drains emotion from me because it's that dull and... pathetic.
Now that I think about it, I'm going to go before I lose even more feeling in my mind from the dullness of an Aldo930 post.
Hey, dude/dudette. Don't personally attack people for their comments here. If someone's comment makes you angry or "drains emotion", that's your business, and maybe the business of a shared circle of friends if you're the kind of person who's like that.
Personal attacks on someone is not cool - not on TV Tropes, not anywhere. You're not making any sort of case for your own opinion, you're just discrediting yourself by blatantly attacking another commenter. Knock it off.
Y'know, since Paul Tibbitt's "egotistical thoughts" sounds serious, can someone please explain how egotistical were his thoughts, where were they and what they say?
I couldn't find what the hell that guy was referring to, but I looked on his Twitter. He has a good sense of humor about himself, apparently. People who are willing to joke about how they ruined SpongeBob don't have egos.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@Aldo930 I went on Paul's Twitter, too... nothing egotistical there.
Actually, making good reviews DOES make you a good reviewer. A reviewer is defined by their reviews. A person is defined by his actions. The title you're looking for is "Good reviewer, but not a good person"
Oh, and, by the way, Mr. Enter's problem exists not in him being unable to differentiate Trolling and Constructive Criticism, with Trolling and DESTRUCTIVE Criticism. He groups them together. This is a bad idea, as it leads his fans to automatically treat those who dislike Mr. Enter for stupid reasons as lowlife trolls just trying to get a rise out of people.
I don't know Mr Enter at all well enough to conclusively say that he's a bad person. I thought 'Good Reviews Do Not Make A Good Reviewer' was snappier than 'Good Reviews Do Not Make A Reviewer With The Capability Of Responding Professionally To Negative Feedback'.
Not sure I understand what the difference is between trolling and destructive criticism.
elmo, I think the better term is Good reviews do not make a professional reviewer.
... we know of that video already.
And in keeping with the subject of this review, his "Feeding the Troll" posts on DA have been deleted.
He seems to have realized that it was a mistake on his part, because I believe he apologized for it in the video that we all saw already and, obviously, he deleted it.
"Not sure I understand what the difference is between trolling and destructive criticism."
Sorry for responding to this so late. Anyways, my explanation.
Trolls: People who only comment on Mr. Enter's videos to get a rise out of him, blurting intentionally stupid criticisms just to get a good laugh. Destructive Critics: People who dislike Mr. Enter's content for legitimate reasons, yet choose to discuss these reasons in an intentionally and unnecessarily abrasive way and use said reasons as justification for telling Mr. Enter to quit YouTube instead of trying to help make his content better.
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Good Reviews Do Not Make A Good Reviewer
Since Mr Enter has been a hot topic lately, I thought I'd watch some of his reviews. Given that he's been a rather controversial figure, I was expecting to either come away a dedicated fan or staunch hater; instead I find myself half-heartedly raising a thumb and saying 'Eh. Seen worse.'
Let's start positively; given that it's a common complaint, I was surprised to find that I do not think his voice is annoying. Although I disagree with a few of his arguments, he backs them up a lot of the time with his own, well-reasoned opinion. Most importantly, he clearly knows a great deal about the subjects on which he speaks, and this combined with his genuine passion for cartoons makes him probably one of the best cartoon reviewers out there.
More negatively, some of his arguments did make me cringe a little regarding how much he reads into things. In his 'Breadwinners' review, he wonders why, at one point, nobody is flying the plane that the characters are occupying. This is a show about animated green ducks delivering bread in rocket-bus-thing and he's concerned that there are logical inconsistencies. He also started a rivalry with another review show, and not in the 'we're friends behind the scenes' way that others do, which can come across as pretty mean-spirited.
But the biggest thing that puts me off of Mr Enter, and the reason for the title of this review, is his public attitude as a reviewer. He seems to have a problem telling the difference between trolling and constructive criticism, and as a result fails to deal with both. Trolling is to be ignored, constructive criticism is to be taken on board. Simple rules for every reviewer.
On the other hand, Mr Enter has run his own series 'Feeding the Trolls' on his deviantART page, and although in his defence, the first few 'trolls' do seem to be people who genuinely go to some lengths to try to annoy him, his most recent target was a troper. The troper's crime was leaving a comment indicating agreement on a negative review of Mr Enter. Mr Enter maturely responded by writing a big rant and sending his fans to spam the troper until he had to abandon his account, and when this was brought up to him, he derided the troper for 'playing the victim'. Wow.
In short, Mr Enter makes good reviews. But Mr Enter is not a good reviewer.