Discussion YMMV / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

"[...]though this is of the somewhat squicky variety because she's underage (which is par for the course for many series)."

Aren't many of the fans underage too, though? I guess Most Writers Are Adults really holds true on TV Tropes as well, huh. I just think it's stupid to imply that teens being attracted to other teens is bad (obviously, it's very much not). It also feels a bit complain-y in general.

I don't wanna remove it without consensus though.

I've nuked the Memetic Molester entry because I don't know that I can add to it, and the links which were there were NSFW, as admitted by the entry, and I think would have been illegal in some nations.

Given the Google Incidents, I felt it best to remove it unless somebody can explain why he is regarded as a molestor, which the entry did not and used many links to do so in adult fanart.

Edited by RatherRandomRachel "Did you expect somebody else?"

Can someone explain to me why people see Homura as an abuser and condemn the story for treating her like a hero?

She's not emotionally abusive, because she's not doing anything to try to hurt or traumatize Madoka. Sure, there's a lot of Awful Truth in the mix, but she's not responsible for the shit Kyubey pulls or the situation they're all in. She begs Madoka not to get involved and she admits that it must be creepy for her to be so attached after only a month, but it's only been a month for Madoka, it's been over ten years for Homura.

She's not controlling, because a) Madoka always makes the contract regardless and b) she's obeying Madoka's last wishes from a previous timeline. Just because Madoka doesn't know that it doesn't mean that isn't what she's doing.

She does treat the other magical girls pretty coldly, but of course she'd do that, she has no reason to hope that they'll all survive Walpurgis and allowing herself to grieve for them every time would make her witch out.

Removed this:

• Unfortunate Implications: The ending holds this for Homura's character arc. Throughout the story, Homura is antagonistic to others, displays controlling and obsessive behaviour towards Madoka, denies Madoka the choice to become a magical girl and outright tells her not to change for anyone else's sake, or she'll "lose everything"; Homura demeans and belittles her and her friends, especially Sayaka, and attempts to kill Sayaka in an act that she believes is best for Madoka's sake... despite the fact that Sayaka's death would only serve to hurt Madoka even more. Homura is shown to be very capable of doing terrible things and justifying it all by saying it's for Madoka's sake... and then, in the ending, Homura is completely forgiven of her bad actions, her antagonism and abuse justified by the fact that Madoka was able to create a better world for magical girls, and the story was able to reach a happy ending, as a result of Homura's hard work. During the final scenes, Homura displays no regret, remorse or guilt for the bad things nor abuse she's done, and both the characters and the narrative commend her as a hero. In short, the whole case reeks of abuse erasure and justification, which is an incredibly uncomfortable message to expose towards people, as well as people who have been or are survivors of abuse.

As per the Unfortunate Implications page: 'no example may be added in this article or on a work article, without proof that it's not just one person thinking'. Citation is required.

I'm a little skeptical about the claim that all the great women from history were the result of magical girls making wishes, since Kyubey only seems to make contracts with teenage girls who have a shelf-life of maybe a few years, so it's not like Marie Curie made her discoveries in her adolescence.

Joan of Arc might be affected, though.

I'm thinking these revolutionary girls did things like wish that the nobles would stop abusing their powers, and revolutions like the French Revolution followed, and it's not exactly public record that Napoleon was eventually able to take power because a teenaged girl made a Faustian deal with an alien bunnycat.

Edited by 216.99.32.43

• Unfortunate Implications: From this blog...
  Young teenage girls in that show are shown as psychotic time bombs waiting to explode, and are blamed for exploding, even though the things they go evil about (love problems, family problems, money, grades, magical powers having side-effects they didn’t ask for,) are not female-exclusive issues or even teenager-exclusive issues IRL or in other shows, for obvious reasons.
  • Chew on that and remember the old magical girl genre conundrum... why are there no magical boys? Surely not only females are so ruled by their emotions that only they can possess such unstable powers? Just sayin'.

I would consider rewording this article, as it sound a bit... obnoxious to me. Also, there are more posts on that blog that further elaborate on the issue, so should they be taken into account? I just felt that this trope in regards to the show would need some consideration (it was discussed a bit on the show's thread on the forum (after page 452), as I feel that, if left alone, it might degenerate into a string of arguments at some point.

Apologies for any repetitiveness.

Edited by Ikiniks but maybe somewhere Hide / Show Replies