History YMMV / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

29th Jan '17 7:16:44 AM Valiona
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** Did Hitomi directly cause [[spoiler:Sayaka's death]]? Is she a generally decent, if a bit oblivious, person who made an insensitive remark at exactly the wrong time? Was she really in love with Kyosuke, or was she just trying to help her friend confess? Was her time limit of twenty-four hours acceptable, or much to short of a time for Sayaka to confess within?

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** Did Hitomi directly cause [[spoiler:Sayaka's death]]? Is she a generally decent, if a bit oblivious, person who made an insensitive remark at exactly the wrong time? Was she really in love with Kyosuke, or was she just trying to help her friend confess? Was her time limit of twenty-four hours acceptable, an acceptable window of opportunity for Sayaka to make the first move, or much to too short of a time for Sayaka to confess within?



** The characters involved in the Sayaka-Kyosuke-[[spoiler:Hitomi]] LoveTriangle are controversial as people have different opinions on who was to blame for the tragic results.
** Sayaka herself has garnered divisive opinions. Depending on the fan, she's either a very well-done and sympathetic [[FallenHero tragic character]], or a whiny and felt [[EntitledToHaveYou unnecessarily entitled]] to Kyosuke's love.

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** The characters involved in the Sayaka-Kyosuke-[[spoiler:Hitomi]] Sayaka-Kyosuke-Hitomi LoveTriangle are controversial as people have different opinions on who was to blame for the tragic results.
results. One camp thinks that the main fault lies with Hitomi, who, while not knowing Sayaka's situation, told her that she intended to confess to Kyousuke, which helped put Sayaka on her downward spiral. Another group blames Kyousuke, arguing he didn't care enough for Sayaka as a person (e.g. not telling her when he was released from the hospital), and bringing up WordOfGod that he'd miss dates to practice his violin (he does the same thing with Hitomi in ''Rebellion''), meaning Sayaka made all those sacrifices for someone who didn't deserve or [[UngratefulBastard appreciate it]]. Another group believes that it was mainly Sayaka's fault for going so far for Kyousuke and expecting him to return her feelings.
** Sayaka herself has garnered divisive opinions. Depending on the fan, she's either a very well-done and sympathetic [[FallenHero tragic character]], or a whiny and whiner who felt [[EntitledToHaveYou unnecessarily entitled]] to Kyosuke's love.



** Calling ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' a "feminist" series will cause lots of fights. While supporters claim that the series portrays the female characters in higher positions of power and autonomy (such as Junko being the main supporter of her family, and Kyousuke pushed into the role of the LoveInterest that is typically reserved for girls), detractors will bring up ValuesDissonance regarding Japanese vs. white feminism, where "girl power" that MagicalGirl tropes tend to favor actually enforce gender roles. They are also quick to mention Gen Urobochi's statements about comparing magical girls to Al-Qaeda, and how that influences the creation of the series as a whole, not to mention that ''Madoka'''s intended demographic was an older male audience.
** Asking whether or not Homura is abusive/MadoHomu is an abusive relationship is a pretty easy way to start up flame wars, in part due to the sheer popularity of Homura and MadoHomu.

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** Calling ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' a "feminist" series will cause lots of fights. While supporters claim Supporters of this idea argue that the series portrays the female characters in higher positions of power and autonomy (such as Junko being the main supporter of her family, and Kyousuke Kyousuke, the only male character with any noticeable impact on the plot, pushed into the role of the LoveInterest that is typically reserved for girls), detractors girls). Those who don't believe this will bring up ValuesDissonance regarding Japanese vs. white feminism, where "girl power" that MagicalGirl tropes tend to favor actually enforce gender roles. They are also quick to mention roles, Gen Urobochi's statements about comparing magical girls to Al-Qaeda, and how that influences the creation of the series as a whole, not to mention as well as that ''Madoka'''s intended demographic was an older male audience.
** Asking whether or not Homura is abusive/MadoHomu abusive toward Madoka or whether [=MadoHomu=] is an abusive relationship is a pretty easy way to start up flame wars, in part due to the sheer popularity of Homura and MadoHomu.[=MadoHomu=].



** Likewise, [[spoiler:most people who've heard of the series are aware that witches are former magical girls]].

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** Likewise, [[spoiler:most people who've heard of the series are aware that witches are former magical girls]].girls, a twist that is revealed two thirds of the way through the series]].



** Kyoko. [[spoiler:Her father founded a new church, but the general public dismissed his teachings as heretical, so Kyoko used her wish to brainwash the crowd into believing in her father's religion. After he found out about this, he [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation became crazy]] [[PaterFamilicide and killed the whole family]]. Probably the only reason Kyoko survived was because she was a lich by that time.]] Yep, she had to live through a lot of crap in her life... but it still doesn't justify how much of an ass she was at the beginning and neither does it excuse how she's used to bash Madoka.

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** Kyoko. [[spoiler:Her father founded a new church, but the general public dismissed his teachings as heretical, so Kyoko used her wish to brainwash the crowd congregation into believing in her father's religion. After he found out about this, he [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation became crazy]] [[PaterFamilicide and killed the whole family]]. Probably the only reason Kyoko survived was because she was a lich by that time.]] Yep, she had to live through a lot of crap in her life... but it still doesn't justify how much of an ass she was at the beginning and neither does it excuse how she's used to bash Madoka.



** [[spoiler: A regenerated Kyubey eats the corpse of his body which Homura had just killed.]]

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** [[spoiler: A regenerated Kyubey eats the corpse of his body body, which Homura had just killed.]]



** Kyosuke, noted under TheScrappy, even people that don't hate usually don't think he comes off as sympathetic since a decent chunk of his screen time consists of him being a {{Jerkass}} out of frustration of his injury. Realistic, yes, but people usually don't sympathize with somebody they don't see being anything likable.

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** Kyosuke, noted under TheScrappy, even people that don't hate usually don't think he comes off as sympathetic since a decent chunk of his screen time consists of him being a {{Jerkass}} toward Sayaka out of frustration of over his injury. Realistic, yes, but people usually don't sympathize with somebody they don't see being anything likable.
24th Jan '17 6:38:28 PM JRads47
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** Homura is a CrazyPrepared badass [[HyperspaceArsenal packing heat]] who can still find time to [[CharacterTic flip her hair]] while she kicks witch ass.



** Junko Kaname is a [[MemeticBadass Memetic]] BadassNormal. She's among the few characters (from all media) the fandom assumes can take on Homura on even footing.

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** Junko Kaname is a [[MemeticBadass Memetic]] BadassNormal. She's among the few characters (from all media) the fandom assumes can take on Homura on even footing.footing in fanart.



* MemeticPsychopath: Homura is often portrayed as a [[MurderIsTheBestSolution trigger-happy]] stalker and paranoiac whose {{trigger}} is anything related to Kyubey.



* MoralEventHorizon

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4th Jan '17 7:47:49 PM JRads47
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* AmericansHateTingle: Most US fans don't like Sayaka for being too angsty and unheroic.



* FanPreferredCouple: Madoka and Homura. Even [[WordOfGod the author]] [[ShipTease acknowledges it]] in an omake at the beginning of ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]''.

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* FanPreferredCouple: FanPreferredCouple:
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Madoka and Homura. Even [[WordOfGod the author]] [[ShipTease acknowledges it]] in an omake at the beginning of ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]''.Story]]''.
** [[BetaCouple Sayaka and Kyoko]], which might have become more popular than the above couple ever since ''Rebellion'' painted Madoka/Homura in a darker light.



** Shockingly, ''Madoka'' fans are pretty amiable with fans of ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'', both series being DeconReconSwitch es of beloved genres, usage of the ClassicalAntiHero and DecoyProtagonist tropes, and the fact that Simon and Madoka share much more than a passing resemblance to one another.

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** Shockingly, ''Madoka'' fans are pretty amiable with fans of ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'', both series being DeconReconSwitch es {{Decon Recon Switch}}es of beloved genres, usage of the ClassicalAntiHero and DecoyProtagonist tropes, and the fact that Simon and Madoka share much more than a passing resemblance to one another.



** [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Sayaka]]: On the contrary, most US fans don't like Sayaka for being too angsty and unheroic.

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** [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Sayaka]]: On Kyoko is the contrary, least-marketed magical girl in Japan (though she's still very popular there), but in America, she rivals Madoka in popularity, mostly due to her brash nature appealing to Western audiences. It helps that she's an expy to [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion one of the most US fans don't like Sayaka for being too angsty and unheroic.famous examples of this trope]].
2nd Jan '17 6:33:32 AM Morgenthaler
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** Mami and Kyoko -- the two least important magical girls to the overall plot and with the least development, but the second- and third- most popular characters in many circles, behind the inevitable [[{{Badass}} Homura]].

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** Mami and Kyoko -- the two least important magical girls to the overall plot and with the least development, but the second- and third- most popular characters in many circles, behind the inevitable [[{{Badass}} Homura]].Homura.
28th Dec '16 7:08:28 PM Edgar81539
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** Mami ended up being one too, thanks to her lack of a defining relationship in the series and to the fact that some people dislike her [[NoYay being paired with Nagisa]]. There's a contingent of people that pairs her up with Kyoko thanks to Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory, another that pairs her with Madoka thanks to their dialogues in the series, and some smaller groups that pair her with Sayaka and even Homura. She's even paired with people outside the franchise. At some points it gets... [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/694229-adolf-hitler bizarre]].
26th Dec '16 1:30:36 PM MorningStar1337
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** Many fans claim that ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' is a feminist series, when in fact, Gen Urobochi had conceptualized the series through comparisons of girls' "hubris" and "self-righteousness" to Al-Qaeda, not to mention that the intended demographic was for an older, male audience.
23rd Dec '16 9:01:42 AM TheMysteriousTroper
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** The DVDs add wind chimes to the foreground of a particular scene, one with a mermaid, one with a unicorn. The mermaid obviously represents Sayaka and the unicorn, Kyouko, but if you're familiar with unicorn myths, it's a deft bit of foreshadowing. [[spoiler: In the early middle-ages, unicorns were described as being impossible to capture alive, because they would climb up a cliff and then throw themselves off of it to land horn-first on their target, ensuring both their deaths.]]

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** The DVDs [=DVDs=] add wind chimes to the foreground of a particular scene, one with a mermaid, one with a unicorn. The mermaid obviously represents Sayaka and the unicorn, Kyouko, but if you're familiar with unicorn myths, it's a deft bit of foreshadowing. [[spoiler: In the early middle-ages, unicorns were described as being impossible to capture alive, because they would climb up a cliff and then throw themselves off of it to land horn-first on their target, ensuring both their deaths.]]
15th Dec '16 4:13:18 PM Scabbard
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** Madoka enters the show as [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]]. She comes out as [[MessianicArchetype Jesus]]. Eventually we learn the truth about magical jirls and the reason why Homura actively keeps Madoka from joining a career as a magical jirl: [[spoiler:it's a DealWithTheDevil that involves transforming into a lich [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor for a single wish that you are very likely to screw up]]. Madoka became GenreSavvy enough in one of the timelines to make Homura promise to keep her from becoming a magical girl.]]

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** Madoka enters the show as [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]]. She comes out as [[MessianicArchetype Jesus]]. Eventually we learn the truth about magical jirls girls and the reason why Homura actively keeps Madoka from joining a career as becoming a magical jirl: girl: [[spoiler:it's a DealWithTheDevil that involves transforming into a lich [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor for a single wish that you are very likely to screw up]]. Madoka became GenreSavvy enough in one of the timelines to make Homura promise to keep her from becoming a magical girl.]]girl]].
15th Dec '16 12:13:28 PM Scabbard
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** The fandom is divided on when he becomes an AcceptableTarget, but the most commonly believed MoralEventHorizon crossings are either when [[spoiler: he mislead Kyoko into believing that Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch which leads to her HeroicSacrifice and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that Madoka would contract with him]], or [[spoiler: his casually delivered line asking Madoka to give his kind a call when she'd be ready to die for the universe]].

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** The fandom is divided on when he Kyuubey becomes an AcceptableTarget, but the most commonly believed MoralEventHorizon crossings are either when [[spoiler: he mislead Kyoko into believing that Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch which leads to her HeroicSacrifice and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that Madoka would contract with him]], or [[spoiler: his casually delivered line asking Madoka to give his kind a call when she'd be ready to die for the universe]].
14th Dec '16 6:39:29 PM Scabbard
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* DieForOurShip: [[spoiler: A portion of the fanbase now despises Hitomi for confessing to Kyosuke and, unbeknownst to her, breaking Sayaka mentally and emotionally which turned her into a witch and thus killing her and the person who {{Mercy Kill}}ed her.]] It's full of MoralMyopia because the major part of her haters insist on how [[spoiler: Hitomi's worth and goodness as a person relies solely on renouncing her own happiness, when Sayaka has the exact some flaw on her end -- in fact one of the lessons of her arc is that renouncing your own happiness ''leads to bad things''.]]

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* DieForOurShip: [[spoiler: A portion of the fanbase now despises Hitomi for confessing to Kyosuke and, unbeknownst to her, breaking Sayaka mentally and emotionally which turned her into a witch and thus killing her and the person who {{Mercy Kill}}ed her.]] It's full of MoralMyopia because the major part of her haters insist on how [[spoiler: Hitomi's worth and goodness as a person relies solely on renouncing her own happiness, when Sayaka has the exact some same flaw on her end -- in fact one of the lessons of her arc is that renouncing your own happiness ''leads to bad things''.]]
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