As the film is now 10 years old, I want to propose that it be updated to become an unmarked spoiler page.
Tiana's status as a princess is pretty well entrenched by now thus "spoiling" that she becomes human again and becomes a princess.
There are far too many examples on this page where the entire example is enclosed in spoiler tags which is bad form and given that the film is a decade old, doesn't seem necessary anymore.
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I also think the casual viewer knows/expects Tiana and Naveen to become human again and get married, making Tiana a princess. The "princess" part is even in the movie title, so those parts probably don't need spoiler tags.
I'm less sure about unmarking all of the spoilers, though. I'd leave the tags for Ray's death, because that's less well-known. Maybe for Charlotte's kiss not working, too.
I'm okay with doing partial spoilers.. allowing the breaking the curse, becoming the princess, and getting married being shown but keeping Ray's death a secret. You'd have to put a warning on the page saying it contains "SOME" unmarked spoilers.
The challenge is that, in my experience, maintaining mixed spoilage doesn't hold up well over time requiring monitoring and cleanup to expose the "ok" spoilers but keeping the other spoilers hidden.
I'll follow the consensus, but for now I hold to the removing all spoilers and simply putting a warning at the top of the page that it contains unmarked spoilers.
I also support the removal of all spoiler tags from the page.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Okay, should we be using Lawrence or Larry on this page? There's been edits changing Lawrence to Larry and back, and it brought up an Ask The Tropers query about it.
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I think we should keep Larry and Lottie a few places. They weee called that a couple of times in the film.
Tiana calls Charlotte Lottie. Facilier calls Lawrence Larry. Since they are called those names in the film, I think those nicknames should stay in a few places on the trope page.
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Facilier only calls Lawrence Larry once IIRC. Tina calls Charlotte Lottie multiple times.
^^Did you change one of the instances Lawrence back to Larry? That's Edit War.
Lawrence doesn't even have "Larry" as a nickname—Facilier just calls him that once because he is being mock-friendly. As such, I'd say only use "Larry" in that specific quote.
"Lottie" is her affectionate nickname but she's usually called "Charlotte" and in the movie's end credits she's just "Charlotte". We could (sparingly) use it in a few cases. At least it helps that her Character page folder lists her as " Charlotte "Lottie" ".
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I feel the nicknames should be used if they're used in dialogue/a quote, like in the quote that was changed back, and in the character pages under their character folders (or whatever they are). Just my thoughts on this.
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I was wondering if some of the stuff under Hidden Depths should maybe be snipped and moved to analysis? It is mostly about race relations in the 20s and is more supposition than stuff actually in the move, but it is pretty well thought out:
Facilier seemed genuinely frustrated and bitter with his lot in life, (likely due to being black in 20's New Orleans). Probably what sparked his original deal with his "Friends", and after that just dug a little deeper each time... This gets obvious when he is convincing Lawrence to follow his plan, saying how he (Lawrence) should be tired of being in poverty while the big shots only get richer and richer. The expression in his face pretty much tells that he wasn't speaking much about Lawrence as he was about himself.
Facilier was apparently supposed to be a Creole, and hence an ethnic minority to boot. Free African Americans and Creoles of mixed ancestry would have been lumped in under Jim Crow laws after the Civil War. The La Bouff family were probably Creole too, but would have been considered "French" and white. Facilier also had economic motives as well as racial ones. New Orleans is run by a capitalist white patriarch, and by turning everyone into just souls for his "Friends" to collect, he's equalizing everyone—no more class system. The undertones are clear because he teams up with Lawrence, who is obviously unhappy with his role as a servant and would like to move farther up the totem pole.
I removed an example for Suspiciously Specific Denial (where Facilier dismisses the "he's got friends on the other side" at the beginning of his Villain Song as echo). But I'm wondering whether there's a subversion with Louis' line "Are you sure she's the right bind little lady that lives in a boat in a tree in the bayou?"...
I think there are some pretty Unfortunate Implications in that Tangled is so well liked and that so many prefer it to Pat F.. White blonde haired girl versus Louisianan black girl.. Should we add that to either movie page, even considering the difference in financial success between the two and taking into equation the 2D/handdrawn bias of the audience?
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You can if you want, but be sure to put it on the YMMV tab rather than the main page.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Hayleychaotix
Could Political Correctness Gone Mad go in the politics surrounding the film section, or even in the film section in general? They had to go to some pretty extreme lengths to try and avoid racism accusations.
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I think it could, and while we are on the subject, I'm moving that entire section over to analysis. any objections?
Doodles
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Why was "Alas Poor Villain" removed from this page? Personally, I do pity Facilier when he dies.
Alex Cockell
Anyone noticed that during "When we're human", Naveen is playing a woodblock line on his head? I wonder what that's signifying? ;-)
The Unremarkable Hulk
I'm pretty sure the following example doesn't fit the trope at all:
- Corrupt Hick: The three inbred frog hunters.
The frog hunters may be hicks, but their not running a town.
Possible goshdangittoheck - Charlotte's exclamation when waiting *again* for Laurence... "CHEESE AND CRACKERS!!!"
I sus,ect this is either bowdlerised or the nearest a Southern Belle would have got.
Nose Nuggets - Had anyone noticed Ray's propelled exit from a hunter's left nostril when he is helping to rescue Tiana? Within chapter stop 12, at 50 mins 32 seconds, the hunter has to blast Ray out as he would a tough piece of snot.
Could someone confirm this and release?
Removed this example:
- Hakuna Matata: "When We're Human", especially Naveen's part.
- Averted by Tiana's part, which is pretty much all about her devotion to responsibility and hard work.
Hakuna Matata was renamed to Sidekick Song since the title is misleading. This example looks like someone being mislead into thinking it was about the Hakuna Matata attitude. There's no trope for that currently as I understand it. It's not a Sidekick Song: Naveen is not a sidekick.
I take that this is an explicit rebuff? In that case it can be readded.
- The Jailbait Wait: At the end of the movie this is what Charlotte (possibly jokingly) plans to do with Naveen's 6-year old brother (considering she also is the first to catch Tiana's thrown bouquet, it's very likely a joke).
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