Discussion WMG / KingdomHearts

Have people been moving the clearly confirmed or jossed WMGs from the general ones to their proper respective pages? Because I was having a look to see if anyone made any WMGs about the new instalment which was recently announced, only to find a ton of WMGs which I know had been Jossed or Comfirmed by KH3 and the Re:Mind DLC.

Edited by auroVee

Removed the following Jossed or Confirmed WM Gs:

OK, so in 358/2 Days, there's gonna be a 14th member of Org XIII. This begs two questions. The first being "what is Xion's element then?" That one is irrelevant to the current discussion. The second question is "Why is it not called Organization XIV if there's a fourteenth member?" My guess is that Xion is not a real Nobody, and is, in fact, a demon sent by some opposing force to try and destroy the Organization from within. Look at Xion's name. We all know that an Org member's name is their "real" name anagrammed with an X added. Remove the X from Xion and switch the letters and... well, well, well... "Oni". Kind of a dead giveaway, isn't it?

• Alternatively, her name is an anagram of "No I", as Xehanort is a anagram of "no heart". This would render her as soul or bodiless, or probably even as an Unbirth.
  • That would make her a deliciously appropriate opposite for Xehanort. You'd think, though, that if she was a Heartless or Unbirth, that the Org members would catch on quicker. Or maybe an Unbirth can "pretend" to have a body like the Nobodies can "pretend" to have a Heart.
    • She's Zexion in drag.
    • Close but no Cigar. Xion is an incomplete Sora Clone in drag.
    • Considering her true nature, it's better to say since Xion is a cross between Sora and Kairi, s/he is probably better considered intersexed and possessing both parts rather than being in drag. Expect lots of weird doujin exploring Xion's genitalia.
    • Its happened. I looked at 4Chan. And I will never ever return to 4Chan.

Organization XIII has some mysterious fourteenth member that's dead or gone by KHII. It's rather obvious that she's evil. On the other hand, she's either Xemnas or one of the higher members in disguise to test if the newer members, such as Roxas, are up to the task of being in the Organization.

• Alternately, Xion was a pawn of Xemnas who Axel or Roxas must eventually kill in a twisted Secret Test of Character to confirm they are still trustworthy. Roxas is so disgusted that Xemnas would throw away the life of a fellow nobody so trivially that he abandons the organization.
• Confirmed!
  • Well, no, not really...she's the final boss, but that's quite different from being the Big Bad, which would mean she was behind everything - but she was just a tool, who, in the end, committed Suicide By Best Friend.

It's just that the audience sees her in her normal form. Note that in cutscenes from the trailers, Roxas calls Xion Axel at one point, and that Axel's "no matter how many times you run away" speech is exactly his attitude towards Roxas later on. For whatever reason, Xion was masquerading as Axel and Roxas in those respective scenes.

• Confirmed, sort of. She can change into Sora and various One-Winged Angel forms.
  • She also turns into Ven of all people when confronted by Xigbar. Maybe this is related to her being a memory "mirror"? People see her as what they remember her as?

Xion has to go away between 358/2 days and Kingdom Hearts 2. Axel has the best track record for killing his teammates for the lulz, and Chain of Memories shows he's REALLY good at 'seeming' friendly and sympathetic while plotting someone's demise. AkuRoku fans can take it as Axel going Yandere on her, if that's your cup of tea, but it's likely Xion's attempts to leave the Organization causes Axel to do his job and slaughter her. Hell, he might even do it For the Evulz; Xemnas comments that Axel is the resident teamkiller in the Organization, to the point that his suggestion of not killing Roxas is wildly out of character (Like everything else involving Roxas and Axel...). He might even regret having to take her out, which is the start of his Heel–Face Turn when he has to take out another person he ostensibly likes...

• Close, but not quite. Axel attacks Xion late into the game, but he doesn't kill her. Roxas himself does that after she goes One-Winged Angel on him.

Same Japanese VA used, Roxas being a result of Sora's turning to an heartless. This is what would had happened if Kairi became an heartless.

• Except we've known exactly what Xion actually is for ages now.
  • Still, isn't irony delicious?

The noise plane is a plane defined by imaginary numbers. No. i is a possible Meaningful Name. Maybe just wishful thinking though.

Looking at the movie at the end of Final Mix, plus, with Xenmas apparently having the crazies and talking to Aqua's empty armor, Terra just sits around and rages about Xehonort, we can guess that the three knights will not meet happy ends.

• Hey, Xemnas can't be too crazy, since Xigbar heard a voice answer back once. But yeah, they probably have tragic fates in store.
• Word of God says it's a tragedy ("not of chance, but a story that becomes inevitable") and a "very sad story." So, yeah.
• Note that several of the Disney Worlds shown so far (Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty) are mentioned as having been destroyed by the time the first game starts.
• Confirmed

They think it's a possible way to get their hearts. It's also the main reason why they recruited Roxas and Xion. Since the Heartless are drawn to the Keyblade, they're hoping to use them as lures. The Organization's Heartless will act as the main antagonists of the game.

• Doubtful in my opinion. It would be quite interesting, but it seems that even strong hearts are subject to becoming Shadow heartless rather than keeping a human form. When Sora first became a heartless, he was a simple shadow. It was only through Kairi's princess powers that he regained a body. One could assume that Kairi could have done the same for the original members of the organization, but it's doubtful that she could or would have at the age she arrived at Destiny Islands.
  • This does raise the question as to why a heart would be weaker than a body though. That is, unless there was a reason for Sora being a shadow heartless. The organization was interested not only in Beast's nobody, but in his heart as well. Also other characters have been shown to have become powerful heartless, such as Scar.
    • I think that the strength of a Heartless isn't really dependent on the heart's strength, but rather on the amount of darkness it carries. How strong a heart is determines how strong its Nobody becomes, though. So, Scar definitely had much darkness in his heart, so he became a powerful Heartless, while Sora transformed into a simple Shadow because he was almost entirely pure. Beast was shown in KHI to be able to unwittingly travel to other worlds (Hollow Bastion) through willpower alone, so my guess is that he would make one frickin' powerful Nobody for the Organization. (I don't think he's completely devoid of Darkness, either; that's why he's Beast in the first place. His Heartless would be pretty strong as well.)
    • The strength that Heartless possesses seems to be derived from how powerful they were previously, as well as how much darkness that they had in their heart. Sora's power mostly revolves around the Keyblade, which he lost. The people that Pete was trying to turn into Heartless in the second game generally had a great deal of power, regardless of how dark they were. Hercules and Yen Sid were two of his targets, after all. It has been outright said and even shown that one becomes a Heartless by losing heart, so having a strong heart before hand might not make a difference.
      • One becomes a Heartless by losing ones Heart to the Darkness specifically. The Heart becomes the power source for the Heartless (the game engine prevents it from being shown explicitly, but it's very heavily implied that a random NPC's extracted Heart is turned into a Soldier Heartless after the NPC is chased down by another Soldier). I don't know of any evidence that suggests that a Heartless's strength is dependent upon someone's physical strength beforehand, however.

Leading to the simple conclusion that Axel's real name is Alex. Jury's still out on whether this applies to Xion (Onix?).

• Actually, there's a workable, real x-less name for Axel- Ale/Alé (pronounced AL-ay) It's a Finnish proper name or, in Spanish a diminutive of Alejandro. As stated above, Xion could follow the Xehanort rule and be "No I" with a bonus X.
  • Axel's real name: Jossed! Turns out, Axel's human name is "Lea" (pronouced "Li-ah"). Xion on the other hand is "No. i" coressponding with the roman numeral. I'm not sure why but it fits anyway.
    • Consequent theory: Xion was part of the same project that produced specimen Red XIII.

• Jossed. She's from Hollow Bastion.
  • Radiant Garden, you mind.

Both of them have the same hair color, they both have a similar personality; a goofy-yet-dangerous facade on top of deep pain. But the most important detail is that they both say "Burn, baby!" when they use a high-powered flame spell.

• He lied about the spelling of his name. His name would properly be spelled Exszol.
• Likewise, Zexion is totally Raine Sage's Nobody.
  • Jossed

His entire tower is filled with heartless that were sent to get him but they seem perfectly content sitting outside of his door waiting for Sora, which is because they already succeeded and Yen-Sid's nobody fought of the heartless off. The reason the fairy god mothers didn't notice is because they were hiding in the other room when the heartless attacked and Sora had cleared the tower out. After Sora and company left, Yen Sid warped out much like the nobodies and isn't seen again for the rest of the game, and after that his tower is filled with nobodies.

He told Sora what he did about nobodies as part of Xemnas' Xanatos Gambit for Sora to go and destroy the heartless in his quest to destroy all of the organization members, but it worked a little to well.

• Jossed. Yen Sid is a retired Keyblade Master, so any Heartless that attacked him would be vaporized by his Keyblade.

• But it's confirmed that Birth By Sleep is only 10 years prior, and we even have screens of a younger Riku and Sora before they met Kairi.
• Jossed.

He trains Mickey in wielding his Keyblade in a similar manner to Master Erauqs training Terra, Ven, and Aqua. His name is also Disney backwards just as Master Eraqus is "Square" mixed around. Yen Sid is also referred to as 'Master' Yen Sid and according to early BBS spoilers, Master is the name given to a Keyblade, er... Master.

• Confirmed by Birth By Sleep. Yen Sid is retired, but that didn't stop him from teaching Mickey.

Seems natural to me. With the betrayal of Xehanort and the other apprentices, the creation of the Heartless, and Maleficient taking control of the castle, there is too much story potential. I'm picturing a giant Heartless battle like the one in KH 2, but with two major differences. This will be the first time anyone meets the Heartless, and the bad guys win utterly. Terra, Aqua and Ven will fight valiantly to stop the Heartless horde (and maybe try to protect little Kairi and younger versions of the FF characters who lived there), but ultimately fail. Master Xehanort and Vanitas will have a hand in it somehow, which prompts the trio to go and confront them for the finale. The story looks to be Shaggy Dog enough as it is, why not go for the gold?

• Jossed. We get to see the heavenly place Radiant Garden once was. However, they did not show the destruction as the storyline ended with Ansem The Wise hiring Xehanort. The destruction happened after Xehanort GTFO'd Ansem The Wise to Realm of Nothingness.

And he took on Master Xehanort's name...and then Master Ansem's name...and then changed his name AGAIN to Xemnas. I mean, it's pretty obvious; yellow eyes, and virtually the same hairstyle...

• And the new trailers show him using darkness quite a bit. And he says something along the lines of "I will never forgive you, Master Xehanort!"; Xemnas was filled with rage, so it's not hard to imagine that the only thing his Somebody would remember after losing his memory would be the name of the person he "will never forgive."
  • Confirmed!

confirmed...ish.

Specifically, he only pretended to be dead by making a clone of himself that got killed in Castle Oblivion, then bid his time so that he could cockblock Roxas when he "thought" he saw Xion.

• His nickname is "Cloaked Schemer" and his tombstone at "Proof of Existence" is all smashed up. He's most definitely alive.
• Jossed. He's very dead.
  • And unlike the rest of his Org. XIII kin, he's probably Deader than Dead. While the other members were killed and presumably reunited with their hearts (Xehanort is probably the only explicit confirmation, seeing as his Heartless ["Ansem, Seeker of Darkness"] was killed before his Nobody [Xemnas]), Zexion (according to Re:CoM) was absorbed by the Riku Replica, who in turn was killed. Yeah...

Notcie how in the secret video, Ven reacts curiously, while Terra reacts immedeately, almost as if he's running TO someone. Also, he never fights Vanitas in the video, opting instead to fight Master Xenahort. After the battle, the two brothers (twins, maybe?) both lose themselves- Vanitas's powerful darkness becoming "Ansem" and Terra's strong heart becoming Xemnas. This explains the slight differences between the heartless and the nobody.

• Jossed. Vanitas is Ven's darkness.

Look at the last picture on the bottom right on the latest scan. Dosen't the eyes and eyebrows and hair look like Xion's. Nomura pulled the samus is a girl trope. in the original metroid manual samus was said to be male. in the ending samus turned out to be a girl. "but hes voiced by a male in the trailers." you say. well my friend that is because her voice is disquised by her helmet. remember darth vader's voice? remeber in return of the jedi when he was unmasked his voice sounded completly diffrent. "but he dosent have breasts" her armor is covering her breasts thats why.

• He spoke with his helmet off in the JUMP FIESTA trailor (with his head off-screen, of course). Still masculine voice.
  • Remember Doctor Girlfriend? Same principle.
• It's not so much armor as it is skintight mystery material, a la Riku's dark form. Theres no way she could pull off a masculine figure. Unless, of course, she disguised herself magically, in which case she could disguise her face.
  • Jossed.

Xehanort, knowing of the future connection between Riku and Sora, creates Vanitas from Riku to be a rival for Ventus and test his power. The newest trailer features a scene where Master Xehanort asks Vanitas "How's Ventus" and he replies "I'll need to make him stronger". The names of the two characters are also suspiciously similar (Ventus/Vanitas), which suggests a connection, and the parellels between Vanitas and Riku are obvious, from the armor he wears, to his battle pose, to his voice (sounds to this troper like they may have the same voice actor). And it may be a coincidence, but the scene mentioned above is immediatly followed in the trailer by a scene involving young Riku.

• Jossed. Vanitas is actually Ventus' dark side that broke off from his heart. And despite Riku similarities he actually looks exactly like a black-haired, yellow-eyed Sora.

Birth By Sleep still isn't out in my country (friggin' Square Enix) so this is almost certainly wrong. They both have black hair, and they're both related to Sora, though Vanitas's relationship is unknown of now. But it's wild, and it's a guess. Time travel is involved somehow.

• Actually... sorta possible. Vanitas is part of Ven, and Ven has been living inside of Sora for the past decade or so. Xion is a clone whose form is based on memories drained from Sora via Roxas. Maybe some of Vanitas was pulled in too, resulting in her hair color and maybe some of her power? She obviously didn't inherit his mind, what with him being evil and her being quite a nice person really.
  • Honestly Vanitas is what Xion would have been if Orgsnization XIII's plan had actually worked. I don't know why thy used memories when pure darkness creates a far better Evil Knockoff.

This page is a mess. It needs to be cleaned up and sorted somehow. I personally propose that the page get split, or at least that things get put into folders.