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nicksmi56
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06:20:39 AM Jul 24th 2013
Am I the only one that wanted Mike to stay with Louis for a while instead of crawling back to Harvey instantly, especially after the way Harvey was talking down to him? We could have had Louis and Mike's characters become stronger and more insight into Louis as a person, but instead we get Mike being totally dependent on Harvey because Status Quo is God. Dissapointed in S3 so far
nielas
09:50:41 AM Jul 24th 2013
They are all hypocrites. I would argue that the show is becoming a deconstruction of Undying Loyalty where most of the characters do not deserve the loyalty they expect. Often it is not hard to consider Louis to be the show's good guy.
romxxii
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11:59:53 PM Aug 17th 2012
edited by romxxii
Deleted because the description does not meet the terms of the The Bechdel Test. It's not just about women kicking ass in a male-dominated workplace. It has to have a scene involving two women not talking about men. Until someone comes up with a more concrete example from the show, I think this entry shouldn't be put in.

The Bechdel Test: It should be self-evident that the show passes, given that half of the Crownings and tropes involve either Jessica or Donna making fools out of the rest of the cast.
Camacan
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10:44:52 PM Oct 2nd 2011
edited by Camacan
This is a trainwreck of Example Indentation and has to be completely rewritten. Please also see Conversation in the Main Page .

This might not be an example. Despite the dodgy trope name, The laconic of Amoral Attorney is "Corrupt lawyer; normally a villain."

In any case this needs to be turned into a clear, detailed trope example written in a single voice. It is a single sub-example so it needs one double star under Amoral Attorney with the other sub-example getting its own. If the text is long and requires paragraph breaks, these can be added by putting \\ at the end of a line and \\ on the next line by itself.

  • Amoral Attorney: Harvey Specter is a borderline case, and openly claims to care only about himself. (Mike later calls him on it.)
    • It's worth noting that he really is amoral, not immoral, and clearly cares more for his clients than anything else but stays very strictly within the limits of the law. The dark side (or dickish side) of Lawful Neutral.
    • On multiple occasions it is shown that Harvey will do everything he can to further his clients' interests but will not allow an innocent person to be hurt. If professional ethics seem to make this impossible he will manipulate the situation such that the moral course of action is the one in the best interest of the client. He seems to have a very idealistic streak in him but is also extremely practical in how he accomplishes his goals.
      • He is deeply hurt when his actions on behalf of a client cause an innocent woman to be sent to prison. He manipulates the situation so that exonerating the woman is in his client's best interest, even though it will incriminate the client's company.
      • When the new CEO of a company makes a stupid and greedy decision that will put hundreds of people out of work he hatches a plan to have the CEO removed—he justifies it because his client is the company and not any one executive.
        • At least for this one, he can handwave his compassion by the fact that in the US, a corporation really is a legal entity. Also, he wrote the bylaws for the company but that's another matter.
      • He becomes incredibly upset with Louis when the latter takes the fact that he may have triggered a fatal heart attack as a badge of honor, then trying to weasel out of it when it turns out that the man was just a scapegoat. He also becomes very agitated when Louis accuses him of trying to claim all the credit for the successful case, something that it's shown he never even considered.
      • It also turns out that Harvey was mentored by the corrupt New York DA, and when Harvey discovered he was supressing evidence and tampering with witnesses, he left the prosecutor's office. Because of this, he recently discovered that he accidentally sent an innocent man to prison for a crime he did not commit (the DA suppressed the evidence that would have exonerated him) and is determined to get him out.
    • Harvey is concerned only for himself. His reputation and direct reports he considers an extension of himself and will do everything in his power to make sure they represent him properly. His clients are also an extension of his reputation and will keep their long-term interests in mind. he digs up dirt on all his clients (finds one cheating on his wife) so that he knows the worst to best defend them. He acts contrary to what the client demands to get what the client actually wants or needs in order to further himself and the firm
Camacan
moderator
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10:40:11 PM Oct 2nd 2011
edited by Camacan
If this is an example of the trope it needs to be re-written before it goes back. One trope per bullet point and this seems like WMG page theorizing, not a solid example. Also: read Example Indentation. This isn't a set of sub-examples with sub-sub-examples so using double and triple stars is incorrect.

  • Ambiguously Gay: Louis.
    • He might be Camp Straight or in a Transparent Closet. He is seen picking up and dating a woman but displays suspicious amounts of Have I Mentioned I Am Sexually Active Today?? while doing so and the relationship ends really badly. He might just be really inept when it comes to women.
      • Given his inferiority complex, he may simply be so boisterous simply to support his own ego.
    • Likewise, when Jessica rewards him with a pair of King Lear tickets, his first assumption is that they would be going together. She is clearly flustered and confused until Harvey saves the day.
Falco
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09:07:57 PM Sep 26th 2011
Characters page anyone?
IWantBeans
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09:31:40 PM Aug 4th 2011
It seems they've caught on to censoring "shit" now.
russianspy1234
12:32:52 PM Aug 30th 2011
only during rebroadcasts during the day, when it airs at night, its not censored
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