Manga Bakuman Discussion

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04:44:37 PM Nov 16th 2014
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I want to add a "Viewers Are..." trope, but I'm not sure if it's closer to Viewers Are Geniuses or Viewers Are Morons. Here's my example text, I'd like your opinion on which trope it is:

"Zigzagged. In-Universe example. The main cast is working for a magazine targeting teenage boys; mangaka who don't acknowledge that fact and make works that are too dark, surreal, or preachy usually do poorly. On the other hand, Jump readers are also shown to be savvy enough to figure out when a manga is all style and no substance- not even the coolest, flashiest art can save an uninteresting story. Ashirogi Muto has to learn to make their deep content engaging, while at the other end of the spectrum Nizuma Eiji has to learn to make his stories more than just a series of cool-looking battles."
03:42:44 AM Nov 17th 2014
Viewers Are Morons. The cast is assuming that teenage boys are too stupid to a) understand too dar, surreal or preachy works and b) that they can't tell a poorly written story either.
01:28:30 AM Jan 23rd 2014
The following trope was pulled:

  • Foregone Conclusion: As if anyone in the world had any doubt, ever, that Mashrio would marry Azuki in the end.

This trope only applies when a conclusion is made undeniably clear through its format (i.e. things like being a prequel like in Crisis Core's case or being told explicitly through narration that the story is gonna end up as such), save for a few exceptions where an author purposefully plays with those expectations.

Bakuman's listed example doesn't apply because it's quite apparent that it is based almost entirely on the opinion of its original writer that the conclusion was going to happen from day one. Contrarily, there was nothing in the early dialogue that confirmed this was going to happen to the readers. The mangaka could just as easily have thrown a curveball by having "it" (being the proposal) not go through or ended the series on a No Ending.
03:30:57 PM Nov 17th 2013
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How the hell would would get this mixed up with Pac-Man? We can't put links to every single thing that ends in man - the list of superhero comics alone would be overwhelming.
04:24:37 PM Nov 17th 2013
Pac-Man is named for the Japanese onomatopoeia for eating, "Paku Paku." As such, it's not unheard of for people to transliterate "Puck-Man" as "Pakuman."
09:17:28 PM Feb 7th 2012
Under "Take That," the copycat PCP crime was listed as an in-universe example. But the first thing that came to my mind when reading that arc was that we're dealing with the creators of Death Note here. They've seen their fair share of copycat crimes based on their own manga. So is it actually a full-fledged "take that," or were they just using this arc to show their opinions of it?
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