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07:21:33 PM May 4th 2010

I think this page could be called "Books not to read" (Shows/movies not to watch, music not to listen to, etc.)

Catalogue

11:56:34 AM May 5th 2010

And why is this?

githyan

03:11:27 PM Sep 20th 2011

because imo, fiction and media are supposed to be an escape from real life. what kind of person gets home from their job/school/etc and says "you know, life isnt shitty enough, im going to go read a book about a bunch of people who are all assholes fucking up in a fucked up world, so i can feel shittier." to me, that seems to be the sentiment behind all these angsty books. i feel that media is supposed to be an escape. i guess part of my problem is that my angst tlerance is very low; i am incapable of comming to connect with and like characters in a story that i know will have a shitty ending. i dont watch horror movies for the same reason; why connect with these characters when a) they are all assholes and b) they are almost all going to die. note: am not OP, just putting out what i think

TCD

03:46:59 AM Sep 30th 2011

Well that's BS. Art is about making us feel, not escapism. Plus it's really nice to experience the whole emotion of angst and what not to know that sometimes we're not alone. On the other hand, I think that Angst only works when our protaginst is inherently good and the world around them is crap. That's one of the reasons the dark age sucked, people liked Watchmen and TDKR because even though the world was bleak, we still loved them because the characters honestly tried to make the world a better place. Later when they were going around killing and swearing at each other and not really doing a lot, it sucked, because we need some people to try and improve the world not assholes. A good example is the second Dark Knight film, we have Batman who is still good and will never break his morals yet the world around him goes to hell and audiences loved it. If we take 200 days of Sodom the book, then pretty much nobody will say "well I really enjoyed reading it" but will still analyse it as it is pretty good in creating a complete destruction of values, but it isn't really that well known amongst the general populace. Thus Bleak world + Good Hero = Good Work. Bleak World + Asshole = Shit.

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Rainbow

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07:11:12 PM May 30th 2011

When it mentions Madoka under the anime examples, there's something that says (paraphrased) Sailor Moon and Madoka are basically the same except Sailor Moon "glosses over" tragedy. That sounds like this trope in action, implying that Sailor Moon is less "real" than Madoka when both are equally fictional and that Madoka is somehow the superior version because it doesn't gloss over tragedy. Sailor Moon is a fairly different story with different premises and characters from Madoka and I don't think it could be called "the same but with the tragedy glossed over." Certainly Luna and Artemis are very different from Kyuubey. It is true that Sailor Moon has some Angst What Angst in it, but that statement bothered me because it sounded like it was implying that, well, True Art Is Angsty.

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TheUnremarkableHulk

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11:07:38 AM Aug 9th 2011

Does Joss Whedon deserve that bit under Live Action TV? The quote doesn't really demonstrate that he feels that True Art Is Angsty. He's basically saying that conflict makes shows fun to watch, and happy people lack conflict. That stands true both in comedies and tragedies.

githyan

03:14:55 PM Sep 20th 2011

they are saying that he has a propensity to create angst when none is needed. take serinity, for example (spoiler alert); when Book dies, it is a well done dramatic moment, and no one finds it stupid, but at the climax, when wash is 'impaled, out of fucking nowhere!' it seems like a needless grab for angst, when there was already plenty of tension. this is why that scene is parodied (i think CAD did one, among others), while books death was accepted.

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CabbitGirlEmi

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01:27:44 PM Oct 21st 2011
edited by CabbitGirlEmi

If True Art Is Angsty, then the people who really think that have either hearts of stone or no heart at all. Angst, conflict, and cynicism should only be in small doses, not over-taking the entire show/movie, because the latter effect makes some people actually hate what they see.

MOTHER 3, on the other hand, actually did this trope better because despite the MOTHER series being known for goofy humor and strange occurrences, the 3rd game goes a step beyond by adding it to break the repetition of goofy and weird stuff, which is still in there time after time, such as parts of Chapter 7 with the Mr. Saturns and their magic coffee table that neighs like a horse.

However, not only should the world NOT be raped by angst and cynicism, but it also cannot be like A Troll In Central Park, which is a really stupid movie, and the Tastes Like Diabetes moments should also be in small doses, unless the material is marketed at kids under 5.

I actually find cynicism to be very bad. And it's justified because I was around a really mean teacher in middle school. Fortunately, she wasn't my homeroom teacher, but she's still a terrible person who would yell at me for no reason.

And that is why my opinions in this message matter. I just don't think that feeling bitter and depressed is better than feeling overjoyed. I mean, really; it doesn't make any sense. Do you understand what I'm trying to say with all of this?

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