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Escher
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10:56:18 AM Jan 7th 2014
This topic needs a great deal of cleanup, but I think there's a more base-level issue. If Required Secondary Powers are only when the work doesn't actually address them, then they are always just guesswork that depends on the precise physics of the power in question, which is often not fully clear to even the writers, and thus basically YMMV or Wild Mass Guessing.

As a secondary issue, I see a lot of examples that aren't actually required by the primary power (though they are logically connected). Being able to create fire or ice effectively does not actually require you to be immune to heat or cold, for example. (Unless you are, for example, shooting fire directly out of your body.)
MarqFJA
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01:09:49 PM Jan 4th 2014
From the description: "This only covers if the power in question is not explicitly defined."

Is this part really necessary? Heck, the example subpages seem to disregard it entirely. Besides, at point does "explicitly defined" not apply? Does One Piece character Brook's example, that the resurrective power of his Devil Fruit also compensated for the loss of various bodily functions to the natural decomposition of his corpse by the time that he found it, count as "explicitly defined" and thus not an example of the trope?
SonicLover
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12:39:50 PM Jul 17th 2013
I just added Most Common Superpower to the Analysis page. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be there. Perhaps someone more educated in the science of breasts could flesh out the entry a little? (Now there's A Rare Sentence...)
Larkmarn
12:50:15 PM Jul 17th 2013
I don't think it would count because, well, women in real life do have breasts that large. They manage to function just fine without super-strength or super-balance. The way it's phrased makes it sound like women with large breasts cannot function athletically at all.

Case in point: Strippers. It's an industry where the two most valued assets are breast size and athleticism.
SonicLover
12:51:52 PM Jul 17th 2013
Yeah... I'm not exactly an expert in the subject.
SonicLover
02:47:39 PM Jul 17th 2013
I've dropped it.
Larkmarn
03:23:11 PM Jul 17th 2013
Probably wise.
SonicLover
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05:46:17 AM Jul 4th 2013
I can see the need for folderizing the Analysis page, but each folder containing just one or two paragraphs seems wasteful. I'm going to try to reorganize them into categories.
SonicLover
10:10:20 AM Jul 4th 2013
...Apparently most of the folders contain more than a few paragraphs. Shows how good I am at sampling. Still, I think the categories won't go unappreciated.
Telcontar
moderator
11:44:16 AM Jul 4th 2013
Yes, there is quite a bit of variation, so you may have gotten really unlucky with the sampling. The headings are indeed appreciated, though!
notbobby125
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06:32:03 PM Nov 12th 2011
I we need another "commonly covered" type of power, energy porjection.

Where is the power source for these powers and how is one not effected by the blast or how do they not get their arms blown off by the recoil.
punkreader
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04:18:57 PM May 11th 2011
Would something like this woman's Journals (found on Deviantart), which analyze principles of things like aging, fighting physics, and other Required Secondary Power-type topics in a specific series apply enough to be added to the Web Original section? (See links)

On immortality and aging

On time travel part I

On time travel part II

General powers, with things like strength and anchoring, plus speed
68.42.138.244
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11:36:35 PM Apr 18th 2011
The whole "becoming intangible results in you floating in outer space" thing makes little sense. Just before your powers manifest you have the same velocity as the Earth. As long as becoming intangible doesn't change your velocity, there's no reason for the Earth to "leave you behind." The Earth is going to move at a constant velocity until a force acts to change it, and any abrupt change in the Earth's velocity would be felt (probably fatally) by every normal person on the planet. So becoming intangible and suddenly not being affected by velocity changes of the Earth isn't going to shift your position much relative to the Earth. You would have to be intangible for a really long time for the Earth to "get away from you," and it would never happen at all to an intangible person still affected by gravity.
SonicLover
05:43:31 AM Jul 4th 2013
What about air resistance?
DCarrier
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01:19:39 PM Feb 5th 2011
The time stopping section is in error, but I'm not sure how to fix it. If you move a photon from somewhere where time passes faster to somewhere that time passes slower, it will increase in frequency. For example, if you make a pulse a second, but move at double speed, everyone else will feel two pulses a second. This has been experimentally verified, since a gravitational field acts as such a time bubble.

If you have a bubble moving at a thousand times speed, and you carry a flashlight so you could at least see inside the bubble, the photons will become X-ray radiation. Also, this isn't just changing it to the same energy of X-rays; it's the same number of photons. It makes it a thousand times as powerful. I don't really know that much about this, but I suspect it would be very deadly.

If you actually stopped time, our understanding of physics breaks down. If you tried taking the limit as you slow time more, it would get more energetic, and more destructive, without limit. If you increased it by a factor of a googol or so, it would destroy your future light cone i.e. the parts of the universe that aren't causally disconnected.
taltamir
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05:51:45 PM Dec 14th 2010
ok, there are tons of "subverted", "inverted" and "played straight" examples... and none of those terms apply because the trope does not actually specify what a baseline is... the trope merely says "secondary powers are required to not harm yourself/others"; the trope even specifies that these might be acknowledged by the authors or not.

now, if the trope said "superheroes HAVE secondary required powers" then an inversion would be a superhero that DOESN'T. if the trope said "Power incontinence happens when secondary powers are missing" then a subversion is possible.
whisp
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04:03:48 PM Jun 18th 2010
Can someone with a good, working knowledge of physics consolidate the second part of the "Force Fields" section? The last bullet point there attempts to clarify, or expand, or correct the notion, but it's not exactly clear and the description would benefit from having a well-edited paragraph instead of a Justifying Edit.
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