This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Describe Required Secondary Powers Discussion here.
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The whole bit about not being to see at speeds near C is wrong under current understanding of light.
Very true. The way light is understood to work is that it -always- travels at ~300000 km/hr, relative to anything and everything. If person A is moving at 50000 km/hr, light will move 300000 km/hr relative to them. If person B is completely motionless (relative to person A), that same light will -still- be moving at 300000 km/hr, relative to both A and B. It's one of those little tricks that makes relativity (and hence slowed relative time at very fast speeds) possible. This also solves the problem of someone 'stopping time'. In theory, the light may still be moving at 300000 km/hr, even if time is stopped. Of course it may behave entirely differently if time itself is entirely stopped, as opposed to just slowed down to a fraction of it's normal speed (i.e. if super speed is the same effective power as time stopping), relative to the person who 'stopped time'.
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Tal9922: I find that this trope description contradicts itself: in the first paragraph it is specifically mentioned that the secondary powers may or may not be directly referred to, but in the third paragraph it says that only expamples who don't refer directly to the secondary powers count. And really, both of these comments are redundant as it all falls under Lampshade Hanging / JustifiedTropes
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Anaheyla: I've just taken a shot at organizing the entries. Someone wanna check my work?
Red Shoe: Quibble: in The Invisible Man can Darien actually see other invisible people when invisible? The instance I recall where this came up, he thought he could, but it turned out that the other invisible person he thought he was seeing was actually a figment of his imagination.
I just feel like repeating the MST Mantra for a page like this. Why try and analyse super-powers like this? It's nitpicking for the sake of it.
Benjilicious: 4/30/09. Added an expanded discussion of observations others have made about Cyclop's secondary powers.
why would being intangible result in you leaving the earth behind? You would still have the momentum as you did while tangible, and as long as you have mass your direction of travel would continue to be modified by the sun's gravity. Another problem though: whenver you become intangible, air should rush into the space you occupy, and then when you return to normal either rush out again (or just kill you as the air enters your veins).
Moved this bit about forcefield here for a review, as it seems to be full of Did Not Do The Research.
- Funnily, this wouldn't matter, because these forcefields seem to admit air, not oxygen. You don't see metal items rusting in super-speed in most forcefields, after all, and neither do people die of oxygen intoxication. So it has to admit ALL the components of air, of which chlorine is an omnipresent (but miniscule) part. At any rate, most of the oxygen in air is actually O2, which is two oxygen atoms stuck together (meaning double the mass of a single atom).
Do we have a page for Required Secondary Powers explicitly mentioned in the work? It seems there are a fair number of these, the latest example being 40K Rogue Trader Navigators and their ability to not Go Mad from the Revelation by viewing the Warp through a metaphor.
