I removed the following paragraph (which according to the edit history was added roughly two years ago) from the entry on homosexuals:
This feels a tad silly. There's debates in the LGBTQ+ community about intersectionality with identities, but this doesn't mean that a cisgender white gay man fits this trope because he's criticised for something other than being gay. It comes across as very "reverse racism", so I've removed it pending further discussion.
Edited by Bisected8 TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerWhat about the Rroma? Hungary may be getting ready to do them some serious evil, but shouldn't they get some discussion here?
What's with the current page image? The one on the left is a black dude, but the one on the right just seems to be a generic clown or something. Am I missing that it's really supposed to be a gay guy or something? And if it really is a clown, I would argue that we can find a better page image.
Hide / Show RepliesI think that the black dude is supposed to now trigger a "wait, we're supposed to throw stuff at him just because he's black? that's awful" reaction. The other guy as a clown is still an acceptable target, but shows that they were once considered equal.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.Once black people stopped being an acceptable target, the toy got Bowdlerized into a clown.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Larkmarn, this is a picture of two separate toys; it is a single item. If you look, the title is 'Twin Targets'.
Huh, interesting. I guess my mind just assumed since it made a lot more sense.
Well, I defer to Telcontar... it still works since the clown is still an acceptable target, and it shows that the black person was as well.
Thanks for clarifying that for me. Man, I've been looking at it for years.
Edited by 216.99.32.44 Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.I presume the entry that says bastards could not legally own property in Elizabethan times means bastards could not legitimately own real estate or perhaps could not inherit lest some fool cut out his firstborn son and dump everything on someone no one ever heard of. Is someone actually claiming that they could not own personal effects? If so it would be nice to have source material.
Edited by jatay3Many of these do seem less like "unacceptable targets" and more like "we'd like these to be unacceptable targets even though they still unfortunately are." Many of these groups at best have had the form of targeting changed or watered down but it's certainly still out there and generally given a pass by society.
Hide / Show RepliesExactly. I think the Once Acceptable Targets page is pretty much a waste of space.
I believe it's not meant to be unacceptable targets by society, but by media. And is unacceptable in media mainly beacuse it happens outside it.
Personally, I think that this article is useful for a few reasons.
While it's obvious that women were once acceptable targets, the write-up doesn't reflect that; it just lists examples of every time a mythological woman is ever portrayed as doing something wrong. Nothing to imply that it's a reflection on all women ever.
And besides, the implication is that portraying a woman as doing something dangerous is inherently sexist.
This has got to be like the 5,000th time I forgot my email or password... Hide / Show RepliesIndeed. Comment about women just handpicks few examples that happen to be easily interpretable as evil. Both bible and greek mythology have many examples of both good, exemplar women and vile men. Thus written reasoning is not really substantive.
Allesindesoep: Once acceptable, always acceptable. I don't think there are any targets in here that you can't find in the acceptable targets groups, with perhaps the exception of blacks.
Edited by 94.210.249.197 Hide / Show RepliesOn the whole, I think this page should be deleted. Every example of a Once Acceptable Target listed is essentially Still An Acceptable Target.
There's an entry for "Self Hating Americans", for goodness sake! The entry negates itself...
Removed natter. Saved here in case it's Troper Tales material:
- This troper's father was beaten by his teachers when he tried to write with his left hand back in The '30s. No surprise that he dropped out of school in grade four.
- On the same line, this troper's grandpa used to get his left hand tied to a belt and forced to do EVERYTHING with his correct hand, as being a southpaw was considered a bad way. Of course, he also got beaten up, but that was also for other reasons.
- Then it was discovered that left-handed people forced to write with their right hands could lead to dyslexia.
- That doesn't stop parents and teachers in China and Hong Kong tying up left-handed children's hands even today!
Redirected to Values Dissonance per TRS:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16749697730.54005700&page=2#comment-33
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.