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SomeSortOfTroper
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04:02:38 AM Apr 27th 2010
Non-examples:

The Real Life section is being filled up with things that fit the issue of the DINO and GINO that don't have anything to do with the Fox News Liberal deal. If a Fox News Liberal is a guy you get to represent the other side reasonably but doesn't stick to the actual ideals of the other side well then having a guy on your side who isn't that much of an example of your side doesn't fit the page. It doesn't do us a service to have half the page be on a Real Life section that's overinflated by people just spelling out the political views of people who aren't exact clones of their peers. By the end of the list, I think people have fotgotten what the trope actually is.
joeyjojo
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09:41:25 AM May 19th 2010
edited by joeyjojo
"Practically every human who sides with the Na'vi in James Cameron's Avatar"

Is Avatar really an example? There's no 'balance', it's clear cut pro-na'vi=good, anti-na'vi=evil. RDA isn't a part of a real world political group (although there are clear parables) it's a mining company, Being human isn't a political identity.
joeyjojo
11:42:09 PM May 19th 2010
no augments? all right i'm pulling it.
159.121.178.248
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11:11:40 AM Aug 17th 2010
It may be unfair to argue that only agnosticism is "authentic."

While atheists may agree that the question of God is not answerable on an evidenciary basis, they would argue that from an empirical perspective, there is no reason to believe that something exists (or even to believe that there is a significant chance that it does) for which there is no evidence. Some atheists would compare belief in God to belief in invisible, intangible pink unicorns living in Antarctica. You may never have been to Antarctica, and even if you have, you wouldn't have seen them or noticed their presence, so you can't falsify their existence. That does not mean, however, that it is "inauthentic" to disbelieve in them.

Similarly, theism is not inauthentic either. People genuinely believe in deities for a variety of spiritual, personal, emotional, or logical reasons. To imply that all of them are secretly uncertain seems unfair.
doctrainAUM
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12:02:32 PM Nov 7th 2010
I'm not sure why Christopher Hitchens is here. Did he ever claim to be Liberal? Because it's not mentioned in this article. In fact, it seems to imply that Atheists cannot hold conservative views, which, I think, makes little sense. I don't exactly see how one's belief or disbelief in a God would influence one's opinions on the Iraq war or similar issues.
SomeGuy
02:29:32 PM Nov 7th 2010
He's been identified as a liberal, though I doubt he'd consider himself one. It's moot point though- unless he was the token liberal in a debate about the moral efficacy of the Iraq War he's not this trope.

Blech, this page is a mess anyway. Let me fix it up a bit. Anyone feel free to bring back deleted examples if you can bring them up to code.
Alpsman
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02:11:16 PM Jun 23rd 2011
Some suggestions for an alternative name:

Straw Moderate Opposition In Name Only
muninn
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10:14:56 AM Sep 1st 2011
From the page:

Can somebody turn this into an example? (Hint to the original author: If a hypothetical page-reader has to leave this trope page to understand what's being talked about, you're not explaining it well enough)
Irish42
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06:10:46 AM Sep 11th 2011
How about a different name for the topic that isn't so partisan? Because you could just as accurately name is "MSNBC Conservative"
Captainhook
03:25:58 PM Oct 9th 2011
I agree. 'Fox News Liberal' is just ASKING for trouble.
Narsil
05:09:13 PM Jan 13th 2012
Yeah, I agree—and a lot of the examples go that way, too. (e.g. the West Wing example of the nice, moderate Republican.) And you could have examples that aren't political at all—e.g. in religious novels, there can be a tame atheist who mainly agrees about how the other atheists aren't thinking things through (and who probably ends up converting).

Maybe change it to something like "Opposition Mascot"?
DCC
10:09:09 AM Feb 9th 2012
Seriously, the trope name implies that this is something conservatives do to liberals exclusively.

Perhaps "Fake Token Opposition"? "Representative of the Strawman Party"?

wiseson
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03:35:38 PM Oct 31st 2011
A quibble about the Icon example in the comics section: Although Icon and his sidekick Rocket had opposing political views, neither was ever shown as comprehensively wrong or right. In fact, the liberal Rocket explicitly referred to Icon as the 'embodiment of the African-American experience.'

On issues of race, especially, Icon was criticised by several characters for his conservatism, saying he was "acting white". In those situations, the character always defended himself and his beliefs robustly, often pointing out that he had actually been black since before they'd been born.
DCC
10:11:13 AM Feb 9th 2012
In fact, Icon had been black in times when black people were much more oppressed, if any Misery Poker was to be played.

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