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ManicOppressive
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07:08:34 PM Jun 12th 2015
I think this may well be the most mis-applied trope we have right now. Everyone puts this as an example for characters who are all nicey nicey but *gasp* they're actually evil!

THAT. IS WHAT. AFFABLY EVIL. MEANS.
technickal
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02:00:39 PM Jun 26th 2014
manhandled
09:13:46 PM Feb 28th 2015
Maybe a villain can be legitimately Affably Evil to some, but only faux to others?
VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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08:04:08 PM Feb 24th 2012
How is this trope different from Stepford Smiler?
Jordan
08:08:44 PM Feb 24th 2012
First, Stepford Smilers aren't necessarily evil at all, and whether evil or not, Stepford Smiler character don't "fake" being nice- it's more like they have this pleasant front but serious mental problems.
theAdeptRogue
06:46:32 PM Aug 16th 2012
Then how is it different from Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, since both are unpleasant characters with "nice" facade? And to expand, how do we know whether the niceness is facade or not?
Fantomas
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11:10:04 PM Oct 30th 2011
edited by Fantomas
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne from the Goon Show. He was almost always exquisitely polite and jovial, and at the same time, just about everything he ever did was in some way villainous, ranging from various types of petty theft and trivial scamming to bank robbery, ripping off the British government for vast sums of money, selling secret military technology to the Russians, and in one episode, setting up London to be easily bombed by the Germans during World War One.

Basically he was completely amoral, and would do absolutely anything for money without a shred of guilt, particularly in later episodes when he was usually living in dire poverty in a dustbin and eating things like newspaper stew, yet still maintaining the airs and graces of a well-off and very well-bred gentleman.

Of course, almost all of these crimes relied on the well-meaning but incredibly stupid Neddie Seagoon being persuaded to unwittingly carry out the crime or be the fall guy, so there was a method behind his Faux Affability. In one show, he even talked Neddie into taking all his clothes off and standing at ground zero for an A-bomb test, just to see what would happen to him! (Alas, he did not become the Incredible Hulk.) He was also notable for being one of the very few villains who nearly always won.

Fun Fact: Peter Sellers based the character's voice and mannerisms on the actor George Sanders - in early appearances when he was a very minor character, he was just called "Sanders". In A Shot In The Dark, Peter Sellers plays Inspector Clouseau and George Sanders is one of the bad guys, so you get to see two versions of Hercules Grytpype-Thynne shake hands with each other.
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04:55:32 PM Feb 19th 2012
Why isn't this in the examples?
Heyo
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06:10:32 AM Oct 10th 2011
Why on Earth would Someone change the entire trope? Not just the name but the basic definition. So now, instead of just being the nice of charismatic guy while commiting the worst crimes imaginable, he's just pretending. That doesn't work at all for a number of instances. For example, the fanfic "Cupcakes" has Pinkie Pie butcher Rainbow Dash. The whole time she remains perky and agreeable, referring to Dash as her friend and how glad she is they can spend her last moments together. That is not a facade, she is genuine in her treating this as a game. There is nothing "Faux" about her behaviour as an "Affably Evil" torturer. There are quite a few more like this, but this one is such a glaringly deviant example that it alone calls for a change-back.
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03:00:01 PM Oct 14th 2011
Sorry, but we don't redefine based on bad examples. We get rid of bad examples. It was changed because the trope as previously defined was not distinct enough from Laughably Evil. The trope has been redefined and renamed so of course there are going to be some examples that fit the previous trope instead of the new one. Besides, it was never about genuinely nice characters, the earlier one was supposed to be amusing while being evil, but not nice.
Sledgesaul
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08:32:09 AM Sep 13th 2011
Why change it to "Faux Affably Evil"? Isn't that redundant?
DominusTemporis
07:44:50 PM Sep 14th 2011
I dunno, I have a feeling somebody's got a trope name-changing fetish.
plcthecd
09:50:51 PM Sep 15th 2011
If it needs a name change, I say Comedic Monster would git more.
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03:52:14 AM Sep 18th 2011
^ Comedic Monster would have fit before it was redefined. Now, it's about characters who pretend to be Affably Evil, which is exactly what the new name means.
Gene0129
12:02:51 PM Sep 18th 2011
edited by Gene0129
I liked Evilly Affable better myself.

FelicitySprings
08:24:06 PM Sep 22nd 2011
The new name seems a little artistically bankrupt. If anything, it just cheapens the Affably Evil trope.
Nivenus
10:34:29 PM Sep 23rd 2011
So does anyone have anything good to say about the name change? I personally think Evilly Affable was more distinctive and fits most of the entries better (like the Joker, who isn't really faux polite so much as just fun to watch).
CharginChuck
03:43:30 PM Sep 24th 2011
Agreed. I vote to change back.
MagBas
03:56:17 PM Sep 24th 2011
^^This description belongs to Laughably Evil.
Nivenus
04:25:47 PM Sep 25th 2011
edited by Nivenus
Laughably Evil isn't quite the same thing. Laughably Evil is a character who's funny while being evil. While the Joker is certainly a case of Laughably Evil, not all Evilly Affable (by the old definition) characters are Laughably Evil.

For example, Palpatine when in full-Sith mode is arguably Evilly Affable but he's not exactly comedic. It's just that, as Plinkett put it in his review (and I'm paraphrasing), he's so into being evil that it's hard not to find it fun to watch, a sentiment Mc Diarmid has also shared when talking about playing the character. He's a Complete Monster, but somehow, that doesn't make him unpleasant from the safe perch of the audience.

Another example might be Doctor Robotnik / Eggman from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. While in some incarnations the character is definitely comedic, this doesn't hold true for every form; sometimes, he's just admirably committed to being completely maniacal.

And for a third and final example, I'll pull from the page itself the quote about Konstantin Baeyko in Alpha Protocol: "Alpha Protocol has Konstantin Brayko, a brutal Russian mob boss who is a rather sadistic and brutal individual, but ends up more entertaining than disgusting due to a strange obsession with the 80s and just how plain loopy he is."

None of these three examples are "Faux Affably Evil" (i.e., pretending to be polite and courteous) and all three are arguably not Laughably Evil either. Hence, the need for an Evilly Affable article.
Nulled
05:29:12 PM Oct 1st 2011
We could add a real life section. People with psychopathy/sociopathy/Antisocial Personality Disorder are the manifestation of Faux Affably Evil/Evily Affable.
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02:56:40 PM Oct 14th 2011
^ Not necessarily.
moonytheloony
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10:03:52 PM Sep 12th 2011
Why did the Playing With section disappear? I worked so hard on it!
moonytheloony
11:20:14 PM Sep 14th 2011
It's fine now. The Playing With section disappeared because the trope was renamed, but I brought it back. (Yes, I just responded to myself, so you'd know the issue was taken care of.)
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