Literature The Talmud Discussion

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10:49:11 AM Feb 5th 2013
To anyone that can edit the lit. page, zeraim means seeds, not plants.
11:57:17 AM Feb 5th 2013
Edit requests go here. I've posted for you; a mod should be on it shortly.
06:15:51 AM Sep 11th 2012
I am not going to get into this conversation for a third time - but taking everything that An Cat Dubh and his compatriots say literally is a very bad idea. There are reasonable ways around most of the things they claim as "evil"; some are outdated, some have never been practiced, some are practiced by a small minority of people, and others are explained allegorically. The Talmud is not a perfect work, but it there is a lot of beauty and kindness in it, and any claim that either it or the people who follow it are "evil" is pure slander, and exactly the kind of anti-Semitism that has been dogging Jews for centuries.
08:15:23 AM Sep 5th 2012
Locking the page is sheer Political Correctness Gone Mad. That book is evil, plain and simple, and while you’re living abroad in some country where Orthodox Jews are a harmless minority who may or may not interpret it more liberally (or simply find the more horrific parts inapplicable outside of the land of Israel), people with the primitive mindset here in Israel are actively working to reach the point ‘When Israel Is Mighty’. Just look up any mention of the Talmud here.
08:16:45 AM Sep 5th 2012
And why is it PCGM? Because after I wrote that the issues it brings up cause trouble only if you’re not a member of group X living in Israel (which is factually true, on many levels), it was still locked and removed. Bravo.
09:30:06 AM Sep 5th 2012
edited by desdendelle
As someone who lives in Israel, I can tell you that a) you're mostly right, and the Hallacha has some pretty nasty things but b) we're not calling RL people or things evil. In fact, whole tropes got their RL sections cut exactly because of that — see this thread's crowner.
09:35:36 AM Sep 6th 2012
My last edit was purely factual: I stated that living here without being a straight male Orthodox Jew is more troublesome due to the Halakha’s influence (mandatory service, lesser position in divorce trials, &c.). Those are facts. I did not mention anything negative that wasn’t factual. And by the way, yes, we do call people evil. Hitler was evil, and apparently Light and Dexter are evil too, yet somehow the Talmud isn’t. What the Hell, TVT?
09:51:07 AM Sep 6th 2012
edited by LordGro
@An Cat Dubh: If real life people (excluding fictional depictions of real life people) are identified as "evil" on the wiki, whether directly or through the application of "evil" tropes, you should remove or rewrite that.
01:23:26 AM Sep 7th 2012
That pretty much means rewriting Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, and others from scratch.
07:18:25 AM Sep 7th 2012
^ I don't think so. The "moral patronizing" could be toned down in some of these, but they hardly need to be "rewritten from scratch".
11:24:39 PM Sep 2nd 2012
Hey, I'm glad the page was locked, but the entry to Sealed Evil in a Can seems kind of... awful... and the video linked... um... has anyone watched it? How accurate is it? My guess would be not especially...
08:07:26 AM Sep 5th 2012
I added that, and yes, it is accurate. The person speaking is one of the most intelligent people I’ve come across, and he used to be a student in the Orthodox education system. Look up Daat Emet for more on just how evil that horrid book is.
08:44:22 AM Sep 5th 2012
I'm moving the entry here per the request on the "edit locked pages" thread.

05:46:23 AM Jan 14th 2013
edited by Meshakhad
Besides, even if it WERE an evil text, it doesn't actually contain an evil entity, hence it does not qualify.

And I was rather disappointed to see the page locked. I had tropes to add:
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