There's kind of an arrangement problem I kinda see with that. It's also one that carries over a prior arrangement problem that I've had with Meliodas in this page.
Prior to Meliodas being revealed to be the former leader of the Ten Commandments, he was kinda hard to place in this page in a way that didn't stick out. A single character entry in the middle of a page of character/group folders that's not even a complete entry since it's essentially a redirect link. He could've been placed in a subsection called "Other Demons" but he was the only one then that fit the bill. So he kinda stuck out like a sore thumb.
Even in a subsection with a Level 2 heading, he stuck out. He almost looked like a part of the Ten Commandments section since the section's under them. If any character should have an entire Level 2 heading section to themselves, it should be the yet unrevealed Demon King whose entry should be placed atop the Ten Commandments and any other demons.
Now that Meliodas is revealed to have been a Ten Commandment, he has a more clearer place where he can be sorted into. Leaving him poses the problem I stated. It's even moreso if he's in an entire Level 1 section since it suggests the "Tropes pertaining to the Demon Clan in general" don't apply to him.
And then there's Gowther. Even if Gowther didn't leave the group of his free will, he's still a former member. So you have the problem of giving a former member an entire section while including one with the current roster. Either include both of them or exclude both. It's kind of a Double Standard and doesn't look good design-wise.
Uncanny Family Resemblance. Both entries for Zeldoris and Estarossa have them but they're drawing attention to the wrong thing. Uncanny Family Resemblance is about relatives looking almost identical or very closely to one another regardless of how closely related they are.
Arguably, seeing as the characters in question are the brothers of the one they're being compared to, one likely being his twin, they don't belong they're at all. Attention is also being brought to not knowing birth order when it also doesn't matter.
After looking again, Strong Family Resemblance works much better, and I might add it in.
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Asked about whether Uncanny Family Resemblance or Strong Family Resemblance fits this situation in Ask The Tropers
. Got at least one reply of this writing saying Strong Family Resemblance.
Looking at the tropes though, many of the examples in Uncanny Family Resemblance mentions siblings, not just distant relatives and Strong Family Resemblance apparently involves children who look like their parents.
Zeldoris looks like Meliodas but that doesn't instantly mean that they're twins, it just means that they're related. It's somewhat similar to Disney/Frozen where Anna and Elsa look almost alike except for hair color but they aren't stated to be twins.
All that's been confirmed so far is that Zeldoris is Meliodas' younger brother. I don't see the reasoning for omitting this fact or at least mentioning it somewhere.
Estarossa looks like an older Meliodas indeed however it might be presumptuous to assume that he's the elder brother on looks alone especially considering that the characters are Really 700 Years Old despite looks.
Galan has also mentioned that apparently Demons only live for 1000 years and it's apparently only thanks to being locked in stasis that they're alive at present. Meliodas however is 3000 years old. This could imply that Demons may not change in appearance as they age but if that's so then saying Estarossa is the elder brother maybe speculation. True this could also imply that Meliodas may have done something to stop his aging but doesn't seem to be any evidence currently to support this. We don't know yet what's going on with Meliodas however it's probably best at the moment to at least assume that some weird Demon physiology is going on.
There has also been a character who's Younger Than They Look. Theo the druid looks old but is actually younger than Arthur. If that's the case for Theo, who's to say that could also be the case for Estarossa in regards to his relationship with his other brothers.
All that's been confirmed so far is that Estarossa is Meliodas and Zeldoris' brother. So saying that it's not known yet who's older I guess is relevant to a degree.
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I never claimed that Estarossa was older, though we can assume. And we can assume Zeldris is his twin because of Japanese convetion (older or younger twins still refering to their twin as their younger or older brother") the fact that they're voices sound exactly a like, and a comment that their power feels indistinguishable from one another.
I didn't put that he was his twin or that Estarossa was older because it's speculation but the fact remains that the phrasing "We don't know their relationsip besides being brothers" has no barring hear. Whether or not they're younger or older then him does not make their resemblance to him stranger. The story has given us no reason to believe that Meliodas' appearance is just due to being a demon. As you pointed out, Meliodas has lived much longer than he normally would have and Galan has made it a point to mention that Meliodas hasn't changed ''at all'' in that time. We may not know why hasn't been aging but it clearly isn't because he's a demon. This also means that at the time of the sealing Zeldris and Meliodas still looked the same with Estarossa appearing significantly older than both.
All of this is besides the point though because their ages in relationship to one another have nothing to do with either Uncanny Family Resemblance or Strong Family Resemblance.
The main description of Uncanny Family Resemblance makes it seem like it's not supposed to be used for very close blood relatives. If siblings are there, it sounds like it might be being misused. We have one character who is Older Than They Look and it was for a joke. Again, I'm not going to put Zeldris as Meliodas twin, or Estarossa as his older brother, because it hasn't been stated, and really has nothing to do with my point, though all the evidence points to both of those being the case.
Meanwhile, even if Strong Family Resemblance is mostly used for parent and child, the description makes it sound like it giving the characters obvious traits to show that they're related, even if it's acknowledged as obvious in story or not.
Furthermore, in Estarossa's case, the thing he uncannily resembles is not actually Meliodas himself, but a wanted poster of him, though he does have traits that obviously make you think of Meliodas. Between the two, it seems like Strong Family Resemblance is more fitting.
Edited by LSBK
Okay but why is it irrelevant to state certain facts and things? Why is "We don't know their relationsip besides being brothers" has no barring hear? We do know that they're brothers but beyond that we really don't know what's their relationship as brothers or otherwise.
We know that Zeldris is the younger brother of Meliodas and they both look almost alike, but we don't know yet if they're twins or not. Why is a statement just saying that he's the younger brother and that he almost looks like Meliodas' twin not worth stating or incorrect?
We know that Estarossa is the brother of Meliodas and he looks like Meliodas' wanted poster but nothing else so far. Why is statements that we don't know yet anything about "their familial relationship other than that they are brothers", or that we don't know yet "their familial relationship as brothers" not worth stating or incorrect?
Where exactly does it seem that Uncanny Family Resemblance is not supposed to be used for very close blood relatives? Excerpts from the trope description say that family members tend to look like each other. Normally, this follows bloodline meaning you tend to look a lot more like your parents than you do your second cousin, for example. Generally, only identical twins can pass for each other but even then there are differences. Media, on the other hand, are a little loose with the rules. Meaning you can have a visiting aunt who looks like her nephew and somehow a character resembles the man who adopted their great-great-grandfather.
The trope description also namedrops Eddie Murphy who most notably played Sherman Klump, Sherman's father, Sherman's mother, Sherman's grandma, and Sherman's brother in the Nutty Professor. Those are very close blood relatives who all look alike.
Strong Family Resemblance mentions in it's description that to establish a familial relationship, a child looks more or less identical to one of his or her parents. Most of the description talks about this, a parent and child having similar traits to establish that they are related. Where exactly does it sound that it can be applied to just simply siblings without a parent?
From the looks of it, Strong Family Resemblance is for when a child looks like their parent therefore establishing that they're related, and Uncanny Family Resemblance is the more exaggerated version of the trope wherein there's more than one character who looks alike establishing that they're all related.
Should Gowther and Meliodas actually be under the Ten Commandments. Yes, they were in the past, but they clearly aren't now. It should still obviously be mentioned, but for Meliodas, at least, I don't think he should actually be under the rooster for current members, because he very clearly left them of his own free will.
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