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All of this bashing in such a short period of time is weird. Its also rather suspicious as you said.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I'll remove the Puella Magi Madoka Magica stuff citing this thread as it's misrepresenting and missing key context.
The behavior doesn't ring any bells, and no IP overlap with existing accounts, for what it's worth.
They undid Ferot's edits, which makes them an edit warrer now.
Not only were Ferot's edits based on faulty reasoning, but one of them was explicitly a "Your Mileage May Vary" trope, in effect disallowing an opinion people hold based on their Ferot's own disagreement with that opinion.
Their edits have been nothing more than "I don't agree so the example is not allowed to exist." Anyone could claim such for every single example on those trope pages.
The edits have been commented out until a consensus is reached.
Healinfine's posts in the Puella Magi Madoka Magica forum thread
have also shown that he has a few.... issues with the show.
There are entire forum threads inhabited solely by people attacking the work(s) in question.
Discussion is allowed to include criticism. No specific work is entitled to have any criticism or acknowledgement of its flaws stricken from history.
Not my point. Discussion is always welcome but tone is important there are better ways to phrase things than:
And dismissing people simply for having a different opinion is not discussion.
Edited by SebastianGray
^ Yeah, that's not formulated like you're just sharing an opinion- it's formulated like you're stating objective facts about the show that nobody can argue with because they're facts, putting you in a position where any debators would have to work that much harder to try and defend the show, while you can just continue claiming "it's sexist".
That's not how these things work; criticism is all well and good, but be cool when you express it.
And I don't know anything about the show, for all I know you're entirely correct, but I do know how debates work, and that ain't it, chief.
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Okay, let's rewrite the Broken Aesop example:
- Puella Magi Madoka Magica:
- Throughout the story, it's shown that simply wishing for solutions doesn't solve problems, with every wish going horribly wrong through unexpected consequences. When Madoka makes her wish, it instantly resolves the entire plot and brings most of the cast back from the dead, with no unexpected consequences whatsoever.
- Madoka's speech about never giving up hope rings hollow given that, earlier in the story, Kyoko refusing to give up hope that Sayaka could be brought back from becoming a witch is what leads to Kyoko's death.
- Sayaka is meant to show how setting unrealistic ideals for oneself only leads to disaster. Yet Madoka decides to become God, and at no point is this extreme ideal ever depicted as anything but ideal and selfless.
- The show also makes a point of calling out most of its cast for being selfish, while depicting Madoka as a selfless Messianic Archetype. Yet nothing the other magical girls do actually harms or takes away from anyone else, and all of them are willing to risk their lives to fight horrific monsters, while Madoka plays the least proactive role in the story and offers no resistance to Homura impeding her from helping others. Even Madoka's "selfless" wish amounts to becoming God and simply cheering on the people who actually put themselves in harm's way.
healinfine has also been making ranty, bad faith posts in the Sleepless Domain thread.
This troper has been suspended for some persistent bashing/hate-posting.
^ On that note, here's the thread that did it.
Here is why I removed them. Can it be explained what is the problem with my reasoning.
- The Aesop isn’t you can’t wish problems away, unless it was stated as such in work. It’s that even seemingly selfless wishes have prices. Madoka’s wish doesn’t break that as it has the price of her being Ret-Gone but worked out because she was willing to accept it. And the Kyoko thing isn’t treated as an Aesop.
Btw healinfine has now been bounced.
Could we remove their Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on madoka since their hate bashing seems strong and it seems to be frankly incorrect.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Yes, please. Clearly, this troper has a Single-Issue Wonk- they think that Everything Is Sexist. As such, their agenda-based edits should be removed.
Edited by MasterN One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
That said, are their revised Broken Aesop examples valid? I don't know the work enough to tell.
Ferot seems to think it isn't; other opinions?
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I'm with Ferot, it isn't.
Removing both entries per this thread.
Update: Done.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
I found Healinfine's passive-aggressive response
to nombretomado's request to improve their proposed addition to Double Standard a bit concerning, so I checked out their recent edits
. There's not many, but it shows a like for the Pretty Cure series and complaining about Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Their edit for BrokenAesop.Anime And Manga is incorrectly indented, and I'm not so sure their edit for UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Anime And Manga is okay either. Does this fit the behaviour of anyone that's been recently banned?
Edited by homogenized