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What's the page and how do you mean "locked into spoiling"?
Edit to save some scrolling: The concern is over unmarked spoilers over the famous Character Death in VideoGame.Final Fantasy VII and how/if it should be spoiler tagged. The page is locked, so I have suggested the Final Fantasy general forum thread as there is not a Final Fantasy VII thread
Edited by sgamer82
FFVII. It's such a notable work, I'm sure someone's already brought it up.
Edited by Savini24
I'd point out it's literally there in my name, but admittedly I grew up on the SNES Final Fantasies.
Anyway, you're asking about VideoGame.Final Fantasy VII, I take it. So that's question one answered. Now how exactly is it "locked into spoiling the plot of its subject"? I confess I'm not certain what you even mean by that.
I assume you mean the edit lock?
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Sorry. I worried about going over your head and didn't look at your name.
The page is locked, and has open spoilers for a plot twist littered over the page.
If you want to make edits to a locked page here's the place to ask
. That said, is there a particular area where there's concern? Nothing in the page's description seems spoilery, and the entry section is long enough I'm not even sure what I should be looking for or if I'd agree about the spoiler nature of it if I did
Is there something specific that's violating Handling Spoilers?
If the plot twist you're thinking of is Aeris' death, I think that's considered It Was His Sled territory by now (Yep, it's listed there in the YMMV page)
Edited by sgamer82
The spoiler has to do with a character's death. Some people consider this "It was his sled," but it's a PS 1 video game, not a blockbuster film. Even if it was Star Wars, it's disrespectfully noninclusive to let newcomers to a fandom get spoiled and be denied experiences based on when they got into the fandom.
Again, PS 1 video game. It's too niche to be It Was His Sled except for the established fandom.
Edited by Savini24
Okay.
- You really need to be a lot more specific, given we just went over half a dozen posts just trying to find out what you were asking in the first place.
- There was mention of this of the discussion page but only enough to confirm there was no consensus on the subject.
- in answer to your question, since the discussion page is as locked as the actual work page, the best place to bring this up would probably be the forums. In lieu of a proper FF7 thread, my first thought is the Final Fantasy general thread.
I didn't say it straight out because I don't like spoiling other people. Thank you for your assistance.
Still, there's a difference between "don't want to spoil" and "so vague there's essentially no question to answer"
That said, you're welcome, best of luck, and my apologies for any rudeness there.
Edited by sgamer82
Okay, for the record, Aerith's death was common knowledge in the gaming community by the end of the 90's, I believe. Wreck-It Ralph has a nod to it. To my knowledge, it does not take long for major plot points regarding the numbered games to get leaked.
Also, don't forget about the Locked Pages thread. That's where most issues regarding locked pages are brought up. I think I'll create a Final Fantasy VII forum thread, but that's related to a general discussion about the game; I don't know about the treatment of asking about edits in Media forums.
Yes, one needs to spell out which spoiler you are concerned about. We cannot effectively act on vague waving. For what it's worth spoiler tags work in Ask The Tropers so you can put the spoiler under tags here if you are concerned.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Also, just for the record, we also have a thread about spoilers here, if that's relevant.
As I believe the OP's spoiler concerns are about Aerith, and the page is locked, I'm posting in the Locked Pages thread about it, if that's ok.
Edited by jameygamer
I honestly forgot about the "Violations of Spoiler Policy" thread.
@jameygamer, re: discussing edits in media forums
I suggested the FF General thread because I forgot about the spoiler thread and, on occasion, I've had the form threads for works bring up editing issues like who to include on character sheets and the like. So to me it seemed like as good a spot as any.
I see no reason to be concerned that anyone reading the FFVII article over twenty years after the game was released is going to care about spoilers, but this should be brought up in the appropriate forum topic.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I picked the most appropriate one I could think of.
Savini24's concern, as I understand it, is that precisely because of the game's age, the It Was His Sled nature of the Character Death has diminished to the point that it's looped around and become a spoiler again.
Went ahead and posted in the spoiler violations thread. I tagged Savini in it too so they'll get directed to it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13942308710A40570900&page=8#182
Questions like this could very easily be solved by simply making a common-sense, blanket rule that no work older than a certain age should have spoiler tags. If you don't know the details of a 20-year-old video game, don't read the work page for that game. Why do people assume that TV Tropes should bear responsibility for what they read?
^ Fighteer has already pointed out that this is not the place to have that conversation.
There's a page that's locked into spoiling the plot of its subject, and I'm not sure where to raise this as an issue, or if and where it's already being discussed.
Edited by Savini24