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Ok 1) basically everything you said here is a lie 2) I suggested having a discussion but you reverted the page anyway. Nevermind all your other edits which you had no reason for doing. 3) Ive tried to reasonable with you however the hostility was from yourside. To making false claims about me to telling me to screw off.
As for my “edits” I reverted you’re edits once. Then I tried to have a discussion which you refuse to have. The only one who lied is you. Also unlike yours nothing in my history indicates a bias.
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It was me who first contacted you, after you reverted my edits the second time. I refuse to communicate further with you because I'm tired of wasting my time when you refuse to listen.
You contacted me the first time I reverted your edits. Therefore I decided to take it to discussion, however you reverted it anyway. I fuse to argue with you here, as Ive made my case in a ask below.
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Can you explain what the game content you're edit warring about is?
The Protomen enhanced my life.
Seems to me like both you guys are causing trouble. I'll let the mods speak on this one.
Lalalei 2001 I left the pages for content below in my my ask. However here they are https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Persona3SEES
and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Persona3SocialLinksAndNPCs
Of course. The game Persona 3 has dating sim elements; however, the Main Character still has an implied love interest so to speak. One of the girls is given multiple scenes with him to suggest they have a connection. The game ends with the Main Character dying in her lap.
This has been widely accepted on the "Implied Love Interest" page. When I added it to the Persona 3 Characters page, others responded by expanding on my edit. Blazing Trolls, however, removed my edit, and after insisting that a different background character was the "true" love interest, he backtracked into arguing that multiple characters get the same treatment and thus none should be listed.
I tried to convince him that this was untrue, but he was unreasonable and continuously changed the page while we were discussing it.
I'm not really sure why you think I'm causing trouble, honestly. I made an edit that has evidently been missing from the page and attempted to discuss the topic when I noticed that Blazing Trolls was removing it. He on the other hand didn't initially bring the subject up for debate.
Technically, both of you are Edit Warring. It is delete->add->re-delete->re-add->re-delete between both of you.
Additionally, the discussion page has both of you being overly caustic toward one another; you're not being civil, nor have you waited for additional opinions and thoughts from other tropers.
Again that’s not acurate. I stated that there was no indication that the character you listed was any more a Implied Love Interest than other characters. I then proved examples romatic moments with other characters.
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^ As I said, they're both causing trouble, but neither wants to own up.
Edited by ChaoticQueen
The reason I kept editing it back was because I felt it was his responsibility to prove that my edits were wrong and that the page should stay as is. Otherwise, the situation was biased in his favor as he could just stop replying.
Also, I would have been happy to get the imput of others, but I didn't know this page existed until I got frustrated and looked up how to report a user.
How exactly am I causing trouble? I made an edit which had been accepted on another page for a long while. I defended it when it was repeatedly deleted.
^ Its doesn't matter who's right. The fact is both you guys are edit warring, and that violates policy.
@Chaotic Queen: In which case, both need a tap on the shoulder.
So then it's ok for someone to revert someone's edit and then just...not say anything about it? Doesn't that make it extremely biased towards the reverter? Blazing Trolls should have messaged me if he had an issue with the edit I made.
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Chaotic Queen I aknowledge my fault in the conflict. It takes two two dance. However I dont think my reasoning is wrong either.I only reverted Implied Love Interest once, after I decided to take it to discussion with
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@jeoshmo: when someone reverts your edit with no reason, you take it to discussion. If they do not reply either on the discussion page or via PM, take it here and report them. Bookmark the page in question. Undoing the revert is Edit War territory.
@Blazing Trolls: It doesn't change the fact you've acted rashly and continued a hostile discussion. You also contributed to the edit war.
Joeshmo, when someone reverts your edit, you bring it here first and let the mods handle it.
Blazing Trolls, like I said, it doesn't matter who's right. That's for the mods to decide.
EDIT: Double post.
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Alright, fine by me. I didn't know that was the protocol and only edit warred because I didn't want him just ignoring me and having the edit stay. Which I figured he could do since he never sent a message to begin with. I hate edit wars, they're a huge waste of time.
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I had no intention of ignoring you. Also I left my reasons in my edits.
Again I aknowlage my fault in the dispute, which is why I came here after the reverted again.
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Yes, but you didn't send me a message about the edits, which you should have done. And you say now that you wouldn't have ignored me, but the way you handled it made it seem to me as if you were trying to sneak the edit without anyone noticing.
You dont normally PM some one for edits. You leave it in edit reasons which I did.
Note: is anyone having issue with editing? Every time I edit a ask, I keep winding up with symbols.
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I'd imagine that's not the same when the edit in question was made mere hours earlier.
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I didn’t even pay attention to the time you made the edit. However I have never had to PM another person for a edit. I usually leave a reason for edit and usually we talk from there.
Edited by BlazingTrolls
Well, in the future, I'd suggest messaging someone if you want to change their edit if the edit was recent. I've had a few people do that with me and the result was much better.
I would like to report both joeshmo and Blazing Trolls for violating our Dont Be A Dick rule.
^ I contacted a mod already. Hopefully he sees this, but it is a weekend.
Bans issued.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I’m not sure it was that bad. We obviously didn’t agree but it’s not like there was name calling.
We definatly need a tap for edit warring though. I still believe my edits to be justified, but I’ll let the mods decide and accept my punishment.
I’m not sure it was that bad. We obviously didn’t agree but it’s not like there was name calling.
We definatly need a tap for edit warring though. I still believe my edits to be justified, but I’ll let the mods decide and accept my punishment.
^^^ Thanks. This was getting ugly.
Could this please be locked?
User Blazing Trolls is overtly trying to bias the Persona 3 page.
He has insisted on an edit war. When I attempted to discuss the topic with him, he refused to reason. Instead, he ignored my points and continuously lied about the game's content to support his point of view. He uses circular arguments, red herrings, and is attempting to paint me as biased simply because of my edit history (which is interesting, given his https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=blazingtrolls)
. This is a side-account that I use so that my main isn't infested with ship wars.
He repeatedly changed the page without waiting for a resolution and did not initially bring the topic up for discussion. He originally edited the page to say a random background character who is a fan favorite was a canon love interest and has since been hostile and uncooperative in my attempts to reason with him, accusing me of vandalism for no apparent reason. (Edit: If you read his comment below, he claims nothing in his edit history suggests bias...despite his aforementioned insistence that a fan-favorite background character is a canon love interest. That's just one of many of his false claims that he refuses to explain.)
Additionally, he accuses me of removing detail, but this is because I found the details to be inaccurate and biased and thought the shortened version was more accurate. I'd be happy to explain my reasoning to anyone who is interested. While I do admit that I removed a YMMV detail, I must apologize for that as I did not realize that it was against the rules. With the rest of this, however, Blazing Trolls has been dishonest and unreasonable.
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