• 16 Nov 9th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Nov, 2017 06:16:35 PM
    I created a YMMV page for Julia Roberts a couple of days ago, and very shortly after its inception, it was deleted. I have to confess that I'm not a Julia Roberts fan, and it certainly showed in my contributions. Specifically, I described her as "the Michael Bay of actresses" when writing about the Critical Dissonance of her filmography; a cursory glance on her Rotten Tomatoes page shows that most of her films get mixed-to-negative reviews. Despite their lukewarm receptions, they tend to make back their budgets several times over. I also stated that her harshest critics accuse her of pandering to the Lowest Common Denominator. With such harsh diction, I can see why it raised eyebrows. Nevertheless, I felt obligated, as a Troper, to create it. Is it possible to reinstate the page? Reply

      You can't create YMMV pages for creators. That's why it was cutlisted.

      You follow the rules, not whatever your "Troper Gut" tells you.

      Creator Page Guidelines (the rules in question) do not disallow opinions on a creator's work, just opinions on their person.

      Thank you, Septimus. I agree.

      It wasn't necessarily about Roberts as a person, but rather the Love It or Hate It nature of her work and the potential audience reactions to it. The fact that I am not a fan of her work does not imply that I hate her as a human being; her movies simply aren't my cup of tea, and I'm not alone in holding that view. It's a sentiment shared by a considerable amount of critics and audience members. Likewise, I don't hate Michael Bay, even if I believe he isn't the finest director around.

      The creator page is about them as a person. You can post (polite, neutral-voiced) criticism of their work on the work pages for their films.

      "Everything they've ever done sucks" is just too much like a personal attack no matter how you try to phrase it.

      The thing is, Critical Dissonance is a YMMV item, so it can't fit on the creator page.

      Creator Page Guidelines: "Please don't list Audience Reactions or YMMV for a creator (unless it's for one of their works that doesn't already have a page or for their general work)."

      And creator pages are about their work as well.

      The only time a YMMV item is valid on a Creator subpage is:
      • It is about a specific work (as opposed to their general body of work).
      • That specific work does not already have an article.

      That's it, no exceptions.

      Not a mod but if you do have an issue with an actor, than if you feel that strongly about something, consider if it is something you should bring up before adding.

      There's review sections for works, and other sites that allow expressing opinions about real life people. But we don't trope real life people here.

      @Fighteer: The guidelines do not disallow YMMV items on a creator's general body of work. And there is no reason for such to be disallowed, either.

      You mean Examples Are Not General allows for examples to refer to no specific work?

      One can argue so in the context of a specific creator, yes. The Creator guidelines assuredly do not disallow it.

      Okay, we have mods disagreeing on policy. Should there maybe be a forum thread made to hash out consensus on this?

      If it helps, I always understood it to be don't ymmv creators, but you can ymmv their works without pages or their body of work in general, as long as it's explicitly work-centric, rather than audience- or creator-centric (e.g. acceptable may be Most Annoying Sound: this creator's voice is often criticized as being a negative aspect in their movies/work without page) on a YMMV/CreatorName page, but with fair judgment calls because real life is always uncertain. So — if you're not sure it's kosher, don't. Like, the examples in the description may be interpreted as "her work does X", but also as "she does X through her work", so shouldn't be in.
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