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I believe that a past query stated that those subpages should be spoilers off. The rule is just not enforced as much.
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Funny Moments should be given a bit of leniency since I believe our Spoiler Policy allows keeping tags up for the sake of hiding punchlines.
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I agree that those pages should be spoilers-off, mainly because people don't follow the spoiler-tag rules that are written on Handling Spoilers, where it talks about how completely blanked out entries are discouraged; people STILL do a completely blanked out spoiler-tag entry. So I agree with Zuxtron.
Edited by mouschilight "In conversation, do you listen or wait to talk?" "I have to admit that I wait to talk, but I'm trying harder to listen." — Pulp Fiction
If these pages are already supposed to be spoilers-off, that should be mentioned somewhere in the definition. The closest one is Tear Jerker saying to expect spoilers, but never explicitly stating that spoiler tags are forbidden.
Honestly, there are several things that should be added to the spoiler policy. However, one of the mos has warned that little, if anything, is added since it might turn the page into a cluttered mess.
I'm conflicted. I agree with Zuxtron; if those pages are supposed to be spoilers-off, then the Spoilers Off page should say something about it. However, The Nerf Guy also has a point, because I too discussed this spoiler-tagging issue with a mod and I was told that if there is indeed a spoiler-tag anywhere, no matter the page, it should NOT be completely whited-out because that's not proper editing (see Handling Spoilers) and it ends up looking like a cluttered mess, so, if there needs to be a spoiler-tag, you need to leave enough words unspoilered to make sense. At least, that's what I took away from my conversation with that mod.
Now I'm unsure about the Awesome/Heartwarming/Funny/etc. pages because there's the Administrivia pages and then what Berrenta just said... :/
"In conversation, do you listen or wait to talk?" "I have to admit that I wait to talk, but I'm trying harder to listen." — Pulp Fiction
I did a little digging on old queries and found the one
Berrenta was talking about.
If a mod said it, then do I have permission to add "no spoiler tags" to the pages' definitions?
Yeah, I'd say that's okay. Spoiler tags on Moments pages are both pointless and counterproductive.
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Agreed, those pages are after action report so to speak, highlights of key elements, you haven't much business reading them without watching the work first, in my opinion.
Would this be a long term or short term project? I mean, there are a ton of these subpages that have spoiler markup on them, and other tropers are adding spoiler markup to them all the time.
^ I agree with The Nerf Guy; there are A LOT of subpages that still have BAD spoiler markup (i.e., completely whited-out entries). I confess, I spoiler-tagged those subpages as well, but my objective in doing that was to minimize the all-whited-out entries due to what was said in Handling Spoilers, and that alone took about half an hour to do, for each subpage. However, that was before I saw this ATT post.
TheNerfGuy, I think it should be a long-term project specifically because of the many, many, MANY works that have bad spoiler markup in their subpages.
What does anyone else think?
Edited by mouschilight "In conversation, do you listen or wait to talk?" "I have to admit that I wait to talk, but I'm trying harder to listen." — Pulp Fiction
We might need a Long-Term Project since new pages are constantly being created, but this might fall under the jurisdiction of the pre-existing Violations of the Spoiler Policy thread.
Would a new thread be needed, or can we just use that one?
Can the current thread handle the load?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
The spoiler policy violation thread is not very busy (it's been about two weeks since the last post), but at the same time this is a pretty huge undertaking considering how many pages are involved.
In the Nightmare Fuel cleanup thread
, one of our goals is to remove spoiler tags from Nightmare Fuel pages, in accordance with the guidelines of that page. The topic of whether or not similar pages, such as Awesome Moments, Heartwarming Moments, and Tear Jerker should also have no spoilers came up in the discussion.
My stance is that Tear Jerker, Awesome Moments, and Heartwarming Moments should probably be spoilers-off, since these moments are almost always crucial to the plot. Funny Moments isn't as spoiler-heavy since jokes aren't always plot-relevant, but we could also make it spoilers-off just for the sake of consistency.
Any opinions on this, and should this be made into a Trope Repair Shop thread?