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You can nuke the scanlation links full stop. They're completely against policy.

Random X made a lot of the most recent edits. I think that third-level bullet may count as natter.

For everything, use lots of detailed edit reasons when fixing, and if anyone reverts the edits (or gets nasty with you), report it here.

Edit: also, send notifiers where appropriate.

@Candi, don't worry, I do plan on nuking those scanlations. And even without the third-level bullets (which aren't necessary I think, since they were written fine before he/she messed it up), that person did employ Natter, because he/she started to use the trope as a forum, which is bad editing etiquette.

Report it here...? You mean, make another post about it and call them out (in a nice neutral way, of course)? Again, I'm new to ATT, so any friendly advice on how to go about all this is much appreciated!

Lastly, Candi, what are notifiers? Or is that just P Ming the tropes? How does that work?

Thanks so much for your help Candi, and any further help you can offer to help this noob here (me)!

You can make a new post or bump this one. Name the troper and provide links.

If you go into the edit history, you'll see a link under the editor's name that says 'send a message'. Clicking that leads to the list of notifiers for various issues. Pick the necessary one(s) to send a PM to that editor about that issue.

Nasty or rude behavior over P Ms is also reportable, as is ignoring them and continuing to make mistakes.

@Candi: Bump this post? As in, reply to this post again? And name the actual troper's name? (In this case, @Random X)? Again, I still don't know all the lingo on TVTropes, so I'm not sure what "bumping" is.

Thing is, how would I report nasty/rude behavior over PMs? Would I come back on here and post about it, possibly citing "cyber-bullying"?

And if this person pretty much undermines my edit (I plan to revert the edits back to the original ones, and I already got a good Edit Reason to back up why I'm doing so), I can report them on here too?

Replying to an existing thread kicks it to the top of the current list. We call that bumping.

Yes, report the user name.

First rule of TV Tropes is 'Don't be a dick.' Violating that in PM's is as reportable as anywhere else. You would come here (or PM a mod) and report the troper's name and an outline of what happened. Don't copy paste the text; it's against the rules and the mods can look inside the PM's when needed anyway.

If the person reverts your edit again, come back here and report again.

Also, spend some time reading pages in the Administrivia namespace. :) Rules, policies, and how we do things here.

@Candi: Ohhhhh, okay, now I get it. I've seen some tropers just say "Bump." in their original post and that has usually worked.

Right, being mean online is horrible no matter what or where, yet people do it anyways. :/ Sadly, we can't stop people from acting like trolls, whether it was intentional or not (most likely intentional).

Oh believe me, I've looked through a lot of Administrivia pages since I got my ban lifted; I'm taking that ban seriously and am trying to correct my previous errors and any other errors I see based on the editing rules, with just enough detailed Edit Reasons to back up my edits. No worries there :) Some of the ones I've paid particular attention to are Sink Hole, Conversation in the Main Page, Righting Great Wrongs, Word Cruft, How to Write an Example, Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them, Handling Spoilers and Spoilers Off.

I just noticed that there's that "Watch" button at the top of each trope page, no matter what type of page it is. How does that work exactly? If someone makes an edit on a page that you're "Watching," you'll get a notification about the edit? If that is indeed the way it works, that would be really helpful in finding out whether someone messed with my edit in a bad way, that very clearly shows bad editing etiquette, then come back here and report it.

@mouschilight; yeah, that's how the watchlist works. When someone edits a page you're watching, it'll get sent to the top of the list with a little red circle next to it until you look at the page again.

@Crossover-Enthusiast: Thank you! I didn't notice it for the longest time, and then I didn't know exactly what it did, though I had an idea and you confirmed what I thought. I'm definitely going to use the Watch list from now on.

Looking at the page's history counts for a watch as well.

@MaLady: Wow, I had no idea that you could "Watch" not just any trope page, but even any trope page's History. This just makes "Watching" an even more helpful feature than it already was!

However, when you're "Watching" a trope page's History, do you get notified the same way as when you get notified for "Watching" a trope page? Or are the notifications between "Watching" a trope page and "Watching" a trope page's History different?

Also, in general, are there any differences between "Watching" a trope page and "Watching" a trope page's History? I feel like there aren't any differences between "Watching" both pages, but since I don't know, that's why I ask: are there any differences? And also, what are the benefits to "Watching" both a trope page and its History?

Sorry for the questions, but I've only been a troper since March, so I don't know how all these extra features work yet, and I'm the type who gathers all the information before I go ahead and do something, especially for anything on the Internet where everything lives forever.

On a different note, I've been thinking that the Naruto part, or maybe all the folders, should have their own subpages. I know Naruto has a Die for Our Ship page.

@Pichu-kun: You make a very good point. I think all of the longer entries on Ship Tease's Anime And Manga page should be put in their respective works trope page. It would make editing those individual entries a lot easier.

However, I still want to revert those edits to how they were originally written before that can happen. I haven't gotten around to doing that just yet because I'm still editing other things first.

@Candi, @Crossover-Enthusiast, @MaLady, @Pichu-kun: How does this look for an Edit Reason, for my reasons for reverting Ship Tease (Anime And Manga, at least Naruto's entries), back to the earlier version? Let me know what you think:

"Restored to earlier version. Links to scanlations are not permitted. Pot Holing in the spoiler-tag is not proper editing etiquette, as described in Handling Spoilers. Sink Holes are not allowed. Third-bullets are not legitimate, as described in Example Indentation in Trope Lists. Got rid of Natter, which includes shipping bias. Got rid of Word Cruft, including long-winded entries and biased wording. Got rid of false information that has been repeatedly denied by the original creator. Fixed the spelling and grammar issues."

My problem here is, that's 81 words, according to WordCounter.net. I need to reduce it to 50 words or less, as described in Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them. How should I shorten this Edit Reason, guys?

Personally, when making an edit based on stuff on ATT, I just link to the query. ... Also, hollers don't work in ATT. I think?

@MaLady: "Link to the query"? Uh... I'm so sorry, but I don't understand what that means. I know I sound like such a noob, but I don't want to do something wrong :(

Also, what's a holler?

Again, I'm such a noob! I apologize, but I would really appreciate if you helped me understand, @MaLady.

I call them hollers, but others may have other names for when you call someone to take a look at things, when you go ~mouschilight, as said in the second-last folder of Text-Formatting Rules.

Every ATT has a link to the thread itself, as the title at the very beginning. Like, A lot of issues with the most recent edits on ShipTease/AnimeAndManga. And every such entry on ATT and stuff, I call a query, 'cause the URL says "query.php..."

A edit reason allows the formatting of normal edits, and so, you can put links as them, like in my recent edit to Technicolor Eyes, as seen in its History page.

TTY Tomorrow!

Ah, got it. Yeah, I noticed that hollers or notifiers don't seem to work on ATT, but I still put the "@" sign to ensure that the person I'm talking to knows that I'm addressing them.

So, MaLady, you're saying that if I really wanted a more simple Edit Reason, I could merely put the link of this thread itself in the Edit Reason box? And that should be good enough?

If that is indeed what you meant... well... the thing is, I liked Candi's idea of writing a detailed Edit Reason (see their very first post to my inquiry at the very top), and I personally like to explain in my Edit Reasons why I edited the entry and specifically describe the Administrivia articles, to show that I was following the editing rules and to lessen the chances of an Edit War from happening. Although, I'm well aware that someone is always going to start an Edit War, unintentionally or intentionally, no matter what. But, I am aware now that if an Edit War does end up happening, I can report it back here, either in this post by "bumping" or writing a new post.

This is getting overly lengthy. As it's now primarily editing/wiki tips, please take this to PMs.