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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
7th Dec, 2016 09:32:07 AM

To retain the title analogy, Kick the Dog is opposed to the neutral of Left The Dog Alone. Usually it means going out of their way to do something evil. I would accept the "driving over children's toys" as intended to show that the character would do the same if it was a dog (except dogs tend to move, so it wouldn't work).

The second example doesn't seem an example; the dogs are an active threat to the Terminator, not just running around).

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ChaoticQueen Since: Mar, 2011
7th Dec, 2016 09:42:39 AM

Still, the T-800 didn't go out of his way to run over the toys. They were in his way, and he saw no reason to avoid them. For an emotionless killing machine, anything less than a straight line to your destination is inefficient.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
7th Dec, 2016 09:44:39 AM

That, and the character in question isn't human; it's a programmed robot. It doesn't feel any need to do evil; it's just programmed to follow orders and directives. It ultimately has nothing against human characters trying to stop it, it's just doing what it needs to do to complete its mission.

I don't think Kick the Dog can be applied to a character like this.

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
7th Dec, 2016 10:19:31 AM

Kick the Dog isn't a character motivation though (For the Evulz is the character motivation), it's something the creators show the character doing to clue the audience into how the character thinks. The "any collateral damage is acceptable" is a motive that can be ascribed to the T-800. It does not attempt any mitigation of collateral damage, even if that mitigation would cost no effort.

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supergod Since: Jun, 2012
7th Dec, 2016 10:26:34 AM

Even ignoring the fact that he's a machine, the first one is a huge stretch (seeing that they're just toys), and the second is definitely not an example. My vote is to zap the entire thing.

Edit: I've changed my mind about the first one, so ignore that. I was focused on people using the word "evil", but the trope allows for things that are just mean or uncaring.

Edited by supergod For we shall slay evil with logic...
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
7th Dec, 2016 11:16:17 AM

I'm with crazy. The entire point of it is that they're so inhumane that they don't care about the Dead Doll Shot. It's an intentional act by the creator to clue the audience in that "hey, these guys? Total assholes."

Second is massive name-based shoehorn, though.

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ChaoticQueen Since: Mar, 2011
7th Dec, 2016 01:44:02 PM

Alright, I cut the second example. I still believe the first example doesn't belong, but if everyone is saying keep it, I'll leave it alone.

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